DanSH.6143 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 The amount of CC and sustain it has is just a bit much in my opinion, can't think of a weakness it has. Immunity to crits, decent condi removal, ok damage for support/bunker, projectile hate, spammable auras/chills/cripple/daze. It's just too much imo. Not sure what nerf it deserves, but just the fact that it's a nightmare to play against one is a reason enough to nerf it, just like Trapper runes were nerfed because stealth on DH was annoying even though it was a B tier spec. 8 8 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie.9143 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Tempest is a support spec, should have it's damage nuked. 8 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shao.7236 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 Tempest is weak to boon removal and conditions, unfortunately not a lot of that in a power meta. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie.9143 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Shao.7236 said: Tempest is weak to boon removal and conditions, unfortunately not a lot of that in a power meta. Boon removal and condi spells are a joke in this meta it's crazy, everything vomits boons and condi removal. Kinda crazy how it crept up 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan.1704 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 LETS DELETE IT! 1 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shao.7236 Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Eddie.9143 said: Boon removal and condi spells are a joke in this meta it's crazy, everything vomits boons and condi removal. Kinda crazy how it crept up I'd say so but for tempest specifically if you can have a decent output and interrupt their overload, they run out of options pretty fast. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ollbirtan.2915 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Oh look! That's the same angry mob with pitchforks and torches that has just finished butchering catalyst 🤣 2 1 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 51 minutes ago, ollbirtan.2915 said: Oh look! That's the same angry mob with pitchforks and torches that has just finished butchering catalyst 🤣 Yeah Catalyst is completely unviable now…. Wait what? 4 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallic.2397 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 No one does this but hybrid (power & condi) builds burn through tempests too. It'll take a little longer than a direct counter, but its a guaranteed kill. Burst them with power to scare a tempest into earth. Then splash them with condi. They'll start using utilities to survive. Rinse and repeat as their CD's all dwindle away 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Stallic.2397 said: No one does this but hybrid (power & condi) builds burn through tempests too. It'll take a little longer than a direct counter, but its a guaranteed kill. stop using only meta listings discover cleansing fire as alternative utility 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said: stop using only meta listings discover cleansing fire as alternative utility What utilityskilly should i drop for it? Link me your build please. Edited February 24, 2023 by Sahne.6950 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Sahne.6950 said: What utilityskilly should i drop for it? Link me your build please. I already told you in the other thread. Another viable choice is use the cantrip heal that pulses condi cleanse. It isn't that much loss of party heal and it's only a 15s CD. Just because it's listed as meta doesn't mean it's the end all be all. It just means it's the preference of one of the few arenanet partnere streamers whom they base those listings on. That isn't very many people testing things tbh. Edited February 24, 2023 by Trevor Boyer.6524 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said: I already told you in the other thread. sorry i cant find it. All i am seeing is big, biased and hyperboled textwalls. Link the Tempest build which can stand its ground against power and conditiondamage alike. While still retaining all the supportive capabilitys that you are talking about. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Just now, Sahne.6950 said: sorry i cant find it. All i am seeing is big, biased and hyperboled textwalls. Link the Tempest build which can stand its ground against power and conditiondamage alike. While still retaining all the supportive capabilitys that you are talking about. Shane, go read the thread like you do any other time. I'm not going to allow you to "hyperbole" an argument here in this thread over a single utility change from the meta listing. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) @Trevor Boyer.6524how are you able to slot Cleansingfire + CES and still fit in a stunbreak and rezzskill. that is the question here. Edited February 24, 2023 by Sahne.6950 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 Just now, Sahne.6950 said: how are you able to slot Cleansingfire + CES and still fit in a stunbreak and rezzskill. that is the question here. Go read the thread, it's already explained in a single paragraph encompassing about 3 sentences. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted February 24, 2023 Share Posted February 24, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said: Go read the thread, it's already explained in a single paragraph encompassing about 3 sentences. i read it. But i cant make out a clear build here. can you please just link it? So i know what your talking about here. http://en.gw2skills.net/ Thanks in advance. Edited February 24, 2023 by Sahne.6950 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) MAT winning comps this month: EU - Tempest, 2x Cata, Chrono, Daredevil NA - Tempest, 2x Cata, Chrono, Spellbreak Edited February 26, 2023 by Trevor Boyer.6524 2 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDent.9538 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said: MAT winning comps this month: EU - Tempest, 2x Cata, Daredevil, Herald NA - Tempest, 2x Cata, Chrono, Spellbreak Eu was a chrono not a herald. Regardless ele representation down from 80% to a mere 60% good job cmc. Edited February 25, 2023 by ArthurDent.9538 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CalmTheStorm.2364 Posted February 25, 2023 Share Posted February 25, 2023 Let's hope it doesn't take 3 months to get some balance tweaks... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 5 hours ago, ArthurDent.9538 said: Eu was a chrono not a herald. Regardless ele representation down from 80% to a mere 60% good job cmc. Yeah you're right, for some reason I was looking at red team running that Herald in the final round. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazsi.2734 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 On 2/24/2023 at 4:37 AM, ollbirtan.2915 said: Oh look! That's the same angry mob with pitchforks and torches that has just finished butchering catalyst 🤣 Noone has done any of it yet. Wish they would! 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 6 hours ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said: MAT winning comps this month: EU - Tempest, 2x Cata, Chrono, Daredevil NA - Tempest, 2x Cata, Chrono, Spellbreak Any scrappers show up in finals or semi? Just curious as I see an increased number of them now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 6 hours ago, shion.2084 said: Any scrappers show up in finals or semi? Just curious as I see an increased number of them now It might be the same case as DH was, a ranked carry A class with decent mobility and spike dmg, but dies to coordinated bursts, which you dont see in ranked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shion.2084 Posted February 26, 2023 Share Posted February 26, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Khalisto.5780 said: It might be the same case as DH was, a ranked carry A class with decent mobility and spike dmg, but dies to coordinated bursts, which you dont see in ranked That’s it, I’m going to get me, alien, cui lan,newton, and Ambi seems to be running it….. we’re just going to have to win next months with 5 scrappers. We’ll call ourselves the penta-bombers 😉 Edited February 26, 2023 by shion.2084 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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