Chaba.5410 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kinshiro.1472 said: If you look at servers with high PvE population and then look at their WvW tier. You'll understand why. Anet is forcing PvE players to come and collect stuff like Gift of Battle from WvW where it can be done while semi-AFKing. This pumps up the servers activity ratings and the smartpants in charge of WvW balancing are handshaking each other while believing that they fixed the situation and increased WvW population. lmao This should explain why most Full servers don't have people Your link is out of context. That image only results from not deleting servers. Not our problem that you may be on a server that overstacked with pve players in the early years of this game, used an autoclicker to get around the old Full population method and they won't leave. Server communities did that to themselves. Don't come complain about it now. World Restructuring will delete servers and all those PvE players will shuffle randomly. Edited November 25, 2023 by Chaba.5410 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraph Dawnbreaker.6214 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 ANET : Let me try to get a good balance Next day, T5 servers : Spoiler WSR + Vizunah : TIC at 300+, queue on all BL, up to 80 for EBG. Elona +Underworld gave up to the point their EBG fort is T3... for WSR. (the day before, UW was taunting Vizunah in T2), Baruch surviving at best. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seraph Dawnbreaker.6214 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Also, Vizunah is already the trending bandwagon server, as 500 gems so cheap to enjoy 4 weeks of grand farming with WSR cloud. Good job ! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galmac.4680 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Congrats Anet. Whiteside Ridge plus Vizunah Square on EU is like Maguma on NA. clap. clap. clap. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinshiro.1472 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, Seraph Dawnbreaker.6214 said: ANET : Let me try to get a good balance At Anet HQ: Junior Developer: Should we try an balance things out better this time? Senior Developer: But of course! How is Deso doing? Junior Developer: Not so well sir, after we gave them the lowest populated server as their link. They dropped down from T1 all the way to T5 and have only managed to beat Baruch Bay who doesn't have a link. Senior Developer: Let us fix that at once, unlink Desolation and put them back in the T1. Junior Developer: s..sir? they can't win any match up in T5 with their link, how can you expe... Senior Developer: Silence! Put them back in T1 without any links. Fissure of Woe and Blactide needs to up their morale 2 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisingDawn.5796 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 (edited) It resets to glicko and server ratings, for matchmaking on the night of the relink, it always has, so imbalanced matchups are inevitable. The aftermath aka transfers, is thanks to the cheap transfers to newly linked servers, which is a common thing and also alt accounts... At one point during the past 11 years, we even had glicko + random rolls. (% chance matchups), which was also pretty bad, but it took them some years to change to 1 up 1 down. Edited November 25, 2023 by CrimsonOneThree.5682 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swoo.5079 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 7 hours ago, Xenon Z.6015 said: How do you guys never have any people? Before I switched from Elona to Miller there were queues as high as 80 on the Deso+Elona linking on the weekend. A lot of fair weather players maybe? Desolation has a lack of commanders and the wvw veterans don't seem to want to join tags - this mean when Desolation is on their own PvE players don't play as they don't see commander tags outside prime time towards night time. When Desolation is linked to servers with lots of pug commanders or oriented WvW servers all the PvE players come to get their GoB, hence big queues and big wins. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonderm.4639 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 4 hours ago, Kinshiro.1472 said: At Anet HQ: Junior Developer: Should we try an balance things out better this time? Senior Developer: But of course! How is Deso doing? Junior Developer: Not so well sir, after we gave them the lowest populated server as their link. They dropped down from T1 all the way to T5 and have only managed to beat Baruch Bay who doesn't have a link. Senior Developer: Let us fix that at once, unlink Desolation and put them back in the T1. Junior Developer: s..sir? they can't win any match up in T5 with their link, how can you expe... Senior Developer: Silence! Put them back in T1 without any links. Fissure of Woe and Blactide needs to up their morale Bold of you to assume there are two developers working on WvW. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laoshanlung.3675 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 FoW got a link? That server is already over stacked..... everywhere I go, I see FoW now. https://imgur.com/a/ODwvjPD EU prime time.... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riba.3271 Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Guys, the linkings are not bad. It is the systems fault. It has been 24 hours and there have already been 100+ transfers to certain links. For 500 gems. To outnumbering server. 🥸 Developer smart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose Solane.1027 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 15 hours ago, geist.4126 said: You know how Anet measures WvW activity? Because I don't think you know how it works. Are you sure Anet knows? 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rose Solane.1027 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 On 11/24/2023 at 9:21 PM, CrimsonOneThree.5682 said: The matchup after the relinks is always based on glicko though, it takes at least 3-4 weeks until the most stacked servers climb the tiers, but there is only 4 weeks of this Linking cycle, this time around. According to their own website (https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/eu/wvw) Desolation is ranked 15th so they should not be in tier 1. Gandara and Piken Square (linked together) are ranked 5th and 4rd and are in tier 4. So if your statement is true Anet has no idea what they are doing. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joneirikb.7506 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Rose Solane.1027 said: According to their own website (https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/eu/wvw) Desolation is ranked 15th so they should not be in tier 1. Gandara and Piken Square (linked together) are ranked 5th and 4rd and are in tier 4. So if your statement is true Anet has no idea what they are doing. Still within 70 or so glicko of the leader. And the system puts an +/- ~100 variable to it. So it's still within the realm of possibility. Aka the servers from 1-21 are within glicko range of each others. (Having been used to the old NA servers/glicko before they did 1up1down, it's nice to watch such even glicko distribution) Edited November 26, 2023 by joneirikb.7506 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mabi black.1824 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 4 hours ago, Rose Solane.1027 said: According to their own website (https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/eu/wvw) Desolation is ranked 15th so they should not be in tier 1. Gandara and Piken Square (linked together) are ranked 5th and 4rd and are in tier 4. So if your statement is true Anet has no idea what they are doing. It's clear this mechanic has big problems. and anet is unable to control them. it is no coincidence that in this section of the forum we have given anet probably thousands of suggestions on how to best distribute players, and how to get games that are truly great games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 On 11/24/2023 at 3:43 PM, hugeboss.5432 said: Great to hear about shortening the link period to approx what the wvw community wanted & had a majority vote for (years ago) 😄 Only dumb people vote for 4 week relinking when you have 5 tiers, and the proof of this is already apparent to everyone in T5 EU. WSR+Viz should be T1 right now, but instead they have to spend all this time climbing up the tiers ruining everyone's matchups for 4 weeks till they approach other bandwagon overpopulated server combos. This means no server or server like entity starting in T5 can ever get to T1, there just aren't enough weeks. This might work better with permanent relinking beta, giving more balanced unmoveable populations, but that isn't here yet and there's no concrete date set. So our last few weeks/months/years of server system will be mired in blowout match ups where 1 server dominates everyone for 2-4 weeks depending on start position and bandwagon. Well done everyone, real smart moves. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkpile.7439 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) This 4 week thing is high iq move. When matchups are total kitten anet is like well it's only 4 weeks. Totally random 4 hours matches would be even more high iq and would be much better. 🤣 Edited November 26, 2023 by Junkpile.7439 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 17 minutes ago, Junkpile.7439 said: This 4 week thing is high iq move. When matchups are total kitten anet is like well it's only 4 weeks. Totally random 4 hours matches would be even more high iq and would be much better. 🤣 Well if people don’t like WvW afterwards they can all jump into EoTM instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zok.4956 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 24 minutes ago, Dawdler.8521 said: Well if people don’t like WvW afterwards they can all jump into EoTM instead. Well, the playing styles on EBG and EotM are already pretty close. The biggest difference between the two: EotM has no skirmish reward tracks and no queues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaba.5410 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, Rose Solane.1027 said: According to their own website (https://leaderboards.guildwars2.com/en/eu/wvw) Desolation is ranked 15th so they should not be in tier 1. Gandara and Piken Square (linked together) are ranked 5th and 4rd and are in tier 4. So if your statement is true Anet has no idea what they are doing. There's a lot of history about matchmaking that isn't well documented enough for you to learn about to have a competent discussion on the subject; esoterica that newer players are not going to know. It should be enough to just acknowledge that matches after relinks are pretty random and expected and Anet certainly knows what's going on. Edited November 26, 2023 by Chaba.5410 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
laoshanlung.3675 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) This is getting ridiculous: https://imgur.com/a/OM8R5bF For the context, this is not the first time I am against FoW, but this is the first time it's getting this much imbalanced. I was in RoS and Blacktide before and fighting FoW was not that bad, it's a bit annoying at best. But right now it's down right unplayable because every time I see FoW, it's 1 vs 3.... Edited November 26, 2023 by laoshanlung.3675 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 58 minutes ago, laoshanlung.3675 said: This is getting ridiculous: https://imgur.com/a/OM8R5bF For the context, this is not the first time I am against FoW, but this is the first time it's getting this much imbalanced. I was in RoS and Blacktide before and fighting FoW was not that bad, it's a bit annoying at best. But right now it's down right unplayable because every time I see FoW, it's 1 vs 3.... That's not even bad compared to what we had in T5 some weeks ago. I think I saw +5 in tick a couple times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geist.4126 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 9 hours ago, Rose Solane.1027 said: Are you sure Anet knows? 😁 I'm sure they know. The issue isn't in the numbers but the allowing transfers without updating those numbers more frequent. Players gamble those re-links for years now and Anet hasn't done anything against that. That is Anets fault. The other fault is that players still follow the flavour of the month link server. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tum.5894 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) Just boycott World v World this week until the match against Fissure Of Woe is over. Let everything burn, They will have no fun when there is nothing for them to cap. This way, just maybe the devs will start fixing this problem. Why would Fissure Of Woe even get a link, when they have been number 1 for ages, and tier 1. And then poor Desolation, was in tier 5, gets no link, and thrust back in to tier 1 against Fissure oF Woe. Do the devs play on Fissure Of Woe ? And this is why they always give them more numbers ? Edited November 26, 2023 by Tum.5894 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geist.4126 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 19 hours ago, laoshanlung.3675 said: FoW got a link? That server is already over stacked..... everywhere I go, I see FoW now. https://imgur.com/a/ODwvjPD EU prime time.... That's funny, because I'm on Fort Ranik and did you know how that happened? A blacktide group of 40+ tried to take FoW garrison, got wiped two times and in return FoW went to Blacktide bl took hills and your commander locked off and everyone on BT seemed to went into PvE. You can watch it in the statistic where it happened. Statistic 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisingDawn.5796 Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Junkpile.7439 said: This 4 week thing is high iq move. When matchups are total kitten anet is like well it's only 4 weeks. Totally random 4 hours matches would be even more high iq and would be much better. 🤣 4 weeks is better atm in preparation for the next World Restructuring beta. The only problem is the 'randomized' matchups, which takes weeks to settle down after the mass transfers of Mains and alts, rather than links that get stale and no link servers in the EU after a couple of weeks, for two months. Edited November 26, 2023 by CrimsonOneThree.5682 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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