The limited inventory space and default equipment templates are really offputting, I rather spend my time elsewhere due to how detrimental this is to my enjoyment

[firedragon.8953]

52 minutes ago, kharmin.7683 said:

This is not just a GW2 thing.  I've seen it in other MMOs as well.

Oh, I know. It doesn't mean it's okay though. It's bad design that often results in players quitting or paying their way out of it.

[Archenblade.3405]

Resource management is part of games.

[Surelia.2651]

6 hours ago, firedragon.8953 said:

Oh, I know. It doesn't mean it's okay though. It's bad design that often results in players quitting or paying their way out of it.

You answered your own question.   Limiting inventory access so players invest in it has been a staple feature of nearly every MMO I have ever played.  It may be "bad design" in your view, but it clearly has proved a sustainable practice for developers or they would not continue to use it.  The loss of any number of players over this issue alone and specifically is likely to be very low.

[firedragon.8953]

6 hours ago, Surelia.2651 said:

You answered your own question.   Limiting inventory access so players invest in it has been a staple feature of nearly every MMO I have ever played.  It may be "bad design" in your view, but it clearly has proved a sustainable practice for developers or they would not continue to use it.  The loss of any number of players over this issue alone and specifically is likely to be very low.

Feel free to defend it if you like inventory management. Different strokes for different folks. I'd rather not have it. It's merely my opinion. 

And yes, I'm not arguing that it isn't profitable for the developer. Of course, game studios are businesses, they are going to make choices that they deem lucrative.  The number of heart reacts on your post show that enough players "agree" with you, and that is why it will continue being profitable since there is obviously players that either enjoy the current system or see no problem with it. I'm not saying the practice is wrong from an absolute standpoint, I'm just saying I don't like it. I understand why it exists, and for GW2 I've "accepted" it. The person who created this thread mentioned inventory being "offputting" and I was merely sharing in their sentiment. 

Edited February 6 by firedragon.8953

[Zera.9435]

On 2/2/2024 at 10:30 AM, QueenKeriti.5176 said:

The day legendary gear was available across my entire account was a great day. 😂

 Indeed it was, now I have 26 characters with lots of legendary equipment at their disposal 😄

[SoftFootpaws.9134]

my only real gripe about the system is that there's only two equipment templates by default when there's three subclasses. each subclass generally needs a different set of equipment usually as they vary between power and condition damage, critical hit chance, boon duration, and other important modifiers.

 

in my opinion every expansion that offers elite specialisations should also add an additional equipment template per-character.

Edited February 9 by SoftFootpaws.9134

[kharmin.7683]

7 hours ago, SoftFootpaws.9134 said:

my only real gripe about the system is that there's only two equipment templates by default when there's three subclasses. each subclass generally needs a different set of equipment usually as they vary between power and condition damage, critical hit chance, boon duration, and other important modifiers.

 

in my opinion every expansion that offers elite specialisations should also add an additional equipment template per-character.

Sure, if Anet increased the cost of the expansion proportionally.

[Lucy.3728]

On 2/5/2024 at 12:26 PM, kharmin.7683 said:

This is not just a GW2 thing.  I've seen it in other MMOs as well.

I'm just saying, in Guild Wars (1) I had an additional account just for storage (still have it but can't log in anymore).

But somehow I can't remember people complaining back then about such things like too many items (and too limited wallet)

[Padrion.7382]

On 2/5/2024 at 1:20 PM, firedragon.8953 said:

Oh, I know. It doesn't mean it's okay though. It's bad design that often results in players quitting or paying their way out of it.

It used to be called bad game design. Today they call it "creating a problem and selling the solution". The whole modern gaming business is built on this.

[Bladestrom.6425]

2 hours ago, Padrion.7382 said:

It used to be called bad game design. Today they call it "creating a problem and selling the solution". The whole modern gaming business is built on this.

a MMORPG that lets you you play for free and offers a items that you find desirable is good design not bad design.  Go try ESO if you want tot see what happens when you don't pay a sub and want storage.  If you want more bags/builds/templates, make em or buy em, problem solved.

Edited February 9 by Bladestrom.6425

[Padrion.7382]

2 hours ago, Bladestrom.6425 said:

a MMORPG that lets you you play for free and offers a items that you find desirable is good design not bad design.  Go try ESO if you want tot see what happens when you don't pay a sub and want storage.  If you want more bags/builds/templates, make em or buy em, problem solved

Yeah but I don't play for free. I bought this game. Plus the expansions. I know that there are much worse offenders out there (don't mention Diablo IV) but there is no denying that starting storage space in GW2 is kept artificially small due to shared bank and extremely limited character slots. That is a conscious decision made by Arenanet and I wonder how much bigger that storage space was, if you couldn't expand it with cash.

[Dawdler.8521]

2 hours ago, Padrion.7382 said:

That is a conscious decision made by Arenanet and I wonder how much bigger that storage space was, if you couldn't expand it with cash.

Probably the exact same since it would just be gold instead.

[Padrion.7382]

2 hours ago, Dawdler.8521 said:

Probably the exact same since it would just be gold instead.

Oh dear, I wish I was that innocent still...

[Pinkeh.4207]

Charging for convenience seems to be the industry standard in lieu of subscription. 

Although the amount of gems some of us have spent may be more than the value of an annual subscription.

Edited February 10 by Pinkeh.4207

[Yttris.2945]

On 2/1/2024 at 11:15 AM, frazazel.7501 said:

Equipment templates are what OP is talking about, not build templates.

A build is just changing some skills and traits. Easy to do quickly at no cost. But changing equipment when you don't have enough templates for that means you have to carry around an extra 10+ pieces of gear in your bag, and it takes longer to change equipment than to change skills/runes.

Now I'm picturing a scene in an obscure anime dramatizing a hero transformation sequence when all that's happening is changing clothes on the far side of a delivery truck 😛

[Pinkeh.4207]

7 minutes ago, Yttris.2945 said:

Now I'm picturing a scene in an obscure anime dramatizing a hero transformation sequence when all that's happening is changing clothes on the far side of a delivery truck 😛

In raids the muscle hero changes form into a small magical girl when switching from tank to support role. 

[Dawdler.8521]

6 hours ago, Padrion.7382 said:

Oh dear, I wish I was that innocent still...

What did you expect, that all inventory spaces would be free with free bags, unrestricted bank and all available build slots with all the crafting given to you etc had the gemstore not existed? Even singleplayer rpgs use costly ingame upgrades for character type expansions... 

What exactly are you calling innocent here?

[zeyeti.8347]

Op is complaining about something who really improved over the years , we didn't have any equipment templates and there was no non id blue , green or yellow , you just had a mass overload of equipment you could only salvage.

The stuff is intended for you to use money on bag slots , bank slots and equipment template slots with real money , but if you are a very dedicated player you can turn your gold into gems , it is quite expensive but heh game has no subscription , where do you think the money comes in ?

many rpg does this , even the so called free path of the exile , at some point you have to spend money on bank special slots for currency and there you cannot change your currency into shop money , but game is free out of purchase so nothing to say , gw 2 just has a different way of practising this method , and this game is far from being the most obnoxious insisting on stuff in cash shop.

[Loctar.3987]

21 hours ago, kharmin.7683 said:

Sure, if Anet increased the cost of the expansion proportionally.

like they want more for that piece of crap ? I didn't get much for the price of the last expansion, I won't be pre-ordering the next one. 

[Loctar.3987]

the game is just designed to get as much money/gold out of you as possible. i'd probably take it all, buy new inventory slots, building templates, equipment, more bank space, material storage, etc. but why on earth are most of these upgrades tied to one character. it's so anti-gamer and it's just a money grab. exactly as many have written. if it was all for the whole acc i would take it as a necessary evil, and so have a lot of games, but this is a different case

[Cuks.8241]

1 hour ago, zeyeti.8347 said:

Op is complaining about something who really improved over the years , we didn't have any equipment templates and there was no non id blue , green or yellow , you just had a mass overload of equipment you could only salvage.

The stuff is intended for you to use money on bag slots , bank slots and equipment template slots with real money , but if you are a very dedicated player you can turn your gold into gems , it is quite expensive but heh game has no subscription , where do you think the money comes in ?

many rpg does this , even the so called free path of the exile , at some point you have to spend money on bank special slots for currency and there you cannot change your currency into shop money , but game is free out of purchase so nothing to say , gw 2 just has a different way of practising this method , and this game is far from being the most obnoxious insisting on stuff in cash shop.

It improved, sure, but its still a problem they intentionally designed to get money out of you.

I wouldnt pat their back for these improvements. Its just a balance how much they can annoy you to get money out of you and not make you quit.

Path of exile is f2p, right? Gw2 is not.

[Luthan.5236]

I have slowly bought more bag slots and filled them up with only 20 slot bags. (Have all except the latest 2 bag slots unlocked in my main.) For most other chars you do not need that many slots - only if you play a lof of different game modes and want to keep a lot of different stuff there.

For a new player I an understand that it might be overwhelming. Especially when you don't know yet that to keep and what to throw away. (Some lore books that you only can get once exist I think. No gameplay value and you can read the stuff in the wiki but still some people like to keep it. If you rush through the content fast it might store up too quickly in the inventory.)

I recommend to not go for bags bigger than 20 slots (except the ones you get from achievements - but there only are a few and the achievements take some times). 20 slot cost a bit - but afaik there also are a lot of cheap ways (see wiki) - and I think season 1 achievements also gave a few. At least good for starting the main character. Other than ... some cheap small ones and slowly upgrading to 18 or 20 (if you get enough money ... or the other sources with other currency in wiki).

Gear and elite specs: You are not meant to swap that often between all of those. One can certainly be enough for most content. Other stuff usually based on the gamde modes you play. (WvW, fractals/raids different builds and equipment.)  But there is no need to have one for each elite spec.

[zeyeti.8347]

29 minutes ago, Cuks.8241 said:

Path of exile is f2p, right? Gw2 is not.

I ment about subscription , with some management you don't need more space in the bank and with organisation 15 slot bags are enough (yes it is annoying and i can tell it's maybe the first thing you gonna improve for your account , more space , infinite salvage to get rid off stuff and transform into stackable loot) , while in Poe you need slot bags and the only way is to pay for it while in gw 2 you stillbe able to transform gold into gems , but i can see when you are a beginner it's not an option cause it cost tremendous amount of gold , gw 2 has no subscription , but some ppl are working behind and thus they need some monthly income who is replaced with convenience , skins and somewhat pay to fast to a lesser extend

[Bladestrom.6425]

45 minutes ago, Cuks.8241 said:

It improved, sure, but its still a problem they intentionally designed to get money out of you.

I wouldnt pat their back for these improvements. Its just a balance how much they can annoy you to get money out of you and not make you quit.

Path of exile is f2p, right? Gw2 is not.

POE is also not a mmorpg.  ofc they intend to get money from you (i.e get paid for their work), but the point is Anet is far from greedy, hence no sub and hence they don't make  huge profits.  Players pay for the expansions and you get your value from that, then the game keeps going and people continue to enjoy the community, the CPU time, the memory, the state management, the security, the costs to maintain everything.  Too many people these days feel entitled to get exactly what they want without having to think about true cost.

So rather than looking for greedy corporations and dark conspiracies maybe consider we want things in the gem shop to be useful and desirable and we actually want to contribute something to the game to keep it alive.

Edited February 10 by Bladestrom.6425

[evilcat.6817]

Cant we get like 20 slot bags from fractals? Otherwise 12gold per bag is ok money sink, and is probably needed in the end unless you delete your characters very often it is not that much money if you play long time.

Specialization templetes are in wizard vault in sufficient number, and that is actually cool, it even dont cost that much.

However... ANET really kitten up with lack of gear setup template in wizard vault, that is some serious kitten kitten policy and i am full kitten about it. There should be kitten gear templates in wizard vault, as without kitten gear the kitten build doesnt work, and non amount of kitten specialization would help. Kitten with you.

There is also a "solution" to make more character each alt having 2 gear slots, so if you need WvW character that is it. Or dedicated pvp. Or dedicated healer. However considering that not all maps have teleport scroll that could be annoying to repeat prologue to Path of Fire once again (and code 07...)

Edited February 10 by evilcat.6817