Current state of warclaw balance

[Anput.4620]

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[Biermeister.4678]

You have to hit it first

[Clownmug.8357]

What am I supposed to see in this video? Seems like just a melee focused build struggling to hit something that moves.

[Anput.4620]

@Clownmug.8357 said:What am I supposed to see in this video? Seems like just a melee focused build struggling to hit something that moves.

Mobility tools that are broken to the point they basically grant invulnerability most of the time.

[kraai.7265]

most of the time? how about all the time, unless some idiot runs toward a zerg or cross paths with really specific ranged or condi specs, it's impossible to dismount another player. Warclaws were the most stupid addition they could add to this game mode, players spent months on forums asking anet to please don't add any sort of mount in wvw, that it would kill the game mode, and what did anet do? not only add them but in a way they are completely broken, boring and make the game stupid.

To me it was on porpouse, to kill the game mode, so they don't even have to read forums anymore, or work towards balance, also to sell cute mount skins so they can get some easy money from casuals or skin hunters.

And i would bet the creator of warclaw mechanics is the same guy that designed deadeyes lol

[Turkeyspit.3965]

At 1:26 you ate a Chaotic Release in an open field 1v1 while you had full endurance - I think you've shown us all exactly why you struggle to dismount people on Warclaws.

Btw, I've been dismounted by condi rev multiple times more than by a ranger.

Like you've said, this game should not cater to bad players.

[Voltekka.2375]

This again, huh.

[Dawdler.8521]

That's like the most pathetic attempt at a dismount I've ever seen.

[XenesisII.1540]

Talk about desperate for a kill, geez.

[sephiroth.4217]

alrighty because you ignored context and the point.. allow me to counter argue your points you made.

@Turkeyspit.3965 said:At 1:26 you ate a Chaotic Release in an open field 1v1 while you had full endurance - I think you've shown us all exactly why you struggle to dismount people on Warclaws.

so because he fails to dodge that somehow impedes his offense? what correlation does it share with being able to dismount someone?

Btw, I've been dismounted by condi rev multiple times more than by a ranger.

Warclaw doesn't have condi removal so its only natural and makes sense especially if you're not paying attention and some how let the rev hit you while you're mounted.

Like you've said, this game should not cater to bad players.

but it already has by implementing 10k extra health and immunity to CC?

I literally just watched a video of a bad player mount around and troll protected by imbalance then got wrecked the moment he was off his mount or advantage.

[sephiroth.4217]

Anput... you'll get more people on your side if you advocate all the broken stuff you can do with mounts.

make a video where you pick on newer players using the mount or better yet... play a long and start telling everyone who doesn't zerg that they are (insert insult) and to adapt because this is anets vision.

[Anput.4620]

@Turkeyspit.3965 said:At 1:26 you ate a Chaotic Release in an open field 1v1 while you had full endurance - I think you've shown us all exactly why you struggle to dismount people on Warclaws.

Btw, I've been dismounted by condi rev multiple times more than by a ranger.

Like you've said, this game should not cater to bad players.

I didn't even bother to try tbh, i knew i could just stack torment and do whatever, killed them earlier lol.

Also i literally made this rev today so i am mainly trying to learn my own skills and how it works, reacting isn't easy when i am trying to remember what my utilities do, also like i said they were bad so i didn't bother with counterplay, its the sole reason im playing rn as ive said ive quit the game basically before this. I don't really know what im doing here as its my first time rev ever.

@sephiroth.4217 said:Anput... you'll get more people on your side if you advocate all the broken stuff you can do with mounts.

make a video where you pick on newer players using the mount or better yet... play a long and start telling everyone who doesn't zerg that they are (insert insult) and to adapt because this is anets vision.

I mean what isn't blatantly broken about this? Most forum poeple don't care about broken, just what is in their favour and isn't.

This is a clip that shows how overtuned it is and instead of a sidegrade it is pure powercreep without counterplay, what else do you need? Any serious PvP community would have agreed already.

I run around for 40 minutes to kill 1 reaper last night like how is that any fun?

[sephiroth.4217]

@Anput.4620 said:

@Turkeyspit.3965 said:At 1:26 you ate a Chaotic Release in an open field 1v1 while you had full endurance - I think you've shown us all exactly why you struggle to dismount people on Warclaws.

Btw, I've been dismounted by condi rev multiple times more than by a ranger.

Like you've said, this game should not cater to bad players.

I didn't even bother to try tbh, i knew i could just stack torment and do whatever, killed them earlier lol.

Also i literally made this rev today so i am mainly trying to learn my own skills and how it works, reacting isn't easy when i am trying to remember what my utilities do, also like i said they were bad so i didn't bother with counterplay, its the sole reason im playing rn as ive said ive quit the game basically before this. I don't really know what im doing here as its my first time rev ever.

@"sephiroth.4217" said:Anput... you'll get more people on your side if you advocate all the broken stuff you can do with mounts.

make a video where you pick on newer players using the mount or better yet... play a long and start telling everyone who doesn't zerg that they are (insert insult) and to adapt because this is anets vision.

I mean what isn't blatantly broken about this? Most forum poeple don't care about broken, just what is in their favour and isn't.

This is a clip that shows how overtuned it is and instead of a sidegrade it is pure powercreep without counterplay, what else do you need? Any serious PvP community would have agreed already.

I run around for 40 minutes to kill 1 reaper last night like how is that any fun?

Because it's ZeRg OnLy now and you need to AdApT hehe...

I think your mention of the PvP community hits it on the head though... WvW isn't about PvP anymore with this new direction Anet are going. I think from the looks of it, WvW will be moulded into something similar to PvE to be used as downtime for PvE players waiting on more PvE content instead of this usual approach we've had for 6 years where they only come back for the day to speed run content and leave again.

You know how it goes... "OnLy PvE plAyeRs SpEnD mOnEy On GaME"

[Brother.1504]

Yah. We need the developers to focus on Warclaw balance right now. Yah that’s the best use of resources. Emergency hotfix for Warclaw balance.

[Anput.4620]

@sephiroth.4217 said:

@Anput.4620 said:

@Turkeyspit.3965 said:At 1:26 you ate a Chaotic Release in an open field 1v1 while you had full endurance - I think you've shown us all exactly why you struggle to dismount people on Warclaws.

Btw, I've been dismounted by condi rev multiple times more than by a ranger.

Like you've said, this game should not cater to bad players.

I didn't even bother to try tbh, i knew i could just stack torment and do whatever, killed them earlier lol.

Also i literally made this rev today so i am mainly trying to learn my own skills and how it works, reacting isn't easy when i am trying to remember what my utilities do, also like i said they were bad so i didn't bother with counterplay, its the sole reason im playing rn as ive said ive quit the game basically before this. I don't really know what im doing here as its my first time rev ever.

@sephiroth.4217 said:Anput... you'll get more people on your side if you advocate all the broken stuff you can do with mounts.

make a video where you pick on newer players using the mount or better yet... play a long and start telling everyone who doesn't zerg that they are (insert insult) and to adapt because this is anets vision.

I mean what isn't blatantly broken about this? Most forum poeple don't care about broken, just what is in their favour and isn't.

This is a clip that shows how overtuned it is and instead of a sidegrade it is pure powercreep without counterplay, what else do you need? Any serious PvP community would have agreed already.

I run around for 40 minutes to kill 1 reaper last night like how is that any fun?

Because it's ZeRg OnLy now and you need to AdApT hehe...

I think your mention of the PvP community hits it on the head though... WvW isn't about PvP anymore with this new direction Anet are going. I think from the looks of it, WvW will be moulded into something similar to PvE to be used as downtime for PvE players waiting on more PvE content instead of this usual approach we've had for 6 years where they only come back for the day to speed run content and leave again.

You know how it goes... "OnLy PvE plAyeRs SpEnD mOnEy On GaME"

Yeah if you know what i mean then what was your complaint exactly?

@Jayden Reese.9542 said:Nice, you played 10 minutes for the 1st time in months and made the same thread as no forum reg knew your opinion on the topic. Welcome back.

Well, seems like the game is still a kitten-show. Also i didn't give my opinion, i just showed off how balance is still completely broken.

[Anput.4620]

@Brother.1504 said:Yah. We need the developers to focus on Warclaw balance right now. Yah that’s the best use of resources. Emergency hotfix for Warclaw balance.

Imagine the recourses to make the mount in the first place actually used on something good.

[sephiroth.4217]

@Anput.4620 said:

@sephiroth.4217 said:

@Anput.4620 said:

@Turkeyspit.3965 said:At 1:26 you ate a Chaotic Release in an open field 1v1 while you had full endurance - I think you've shown us all exactly why you struggle to dismount people on Warclaws.

Btw, I've been dismounted by condi rev multiple times more than by a ranger.

Like you've said, this game should not cater to bad players.

I didn't even bother to try tbh, i knew i could just stack torment and do whatever, killed them earlier lol.

Also i literally made this rev today so i am mainly trying to learn my own skills and how it works, reacting isn't easy when i am trying to remember what my utilities do, also like i said they were bad so i didn't bother with counterplay, its the sole reason im playing rn as ive said ive quit the game basically before this. I don't really know what im doing here as its my first time rev ever.

@sephiroth.4217 said:Anput... you'll get more people on your side if you advocate all the broken stuff you can do with mounts.

make a video where you pick on newer players using the mount or better yet... play a long and start telling everyone who doesn't zerg that they are (insert insult) and to adapt because this is anets vision.

I mean what isn't blatantly broken about this? Most forum poeple don't care about broken, just what is in their favour and isn't.

This is a clip that shows how overtuned it is and instead of a sidegrade it is pure powercreep without counterplay, what else do you need? Any serious PvP community would have agreed already.

I run around for 40 minutes to kill 1 reaper last night like how is that any fun?

Because it's ZeRg OnLy now and you need to AdApT hehe...

I think your mention of the PvP community hits it on the head though... WvW isn't about PvP anymore with this new direction Anet are going. I think from the looks of it, WvW will be moulded into something similar to PvE to be used as downtime for PvE players waiting on more PvE content instead of this usual approach we've had for 6 years where they only come back for the day to speed run content and leave again.

You know how it goes... "OnLy PvE plAyeRs SpEnD mOnEy On GaME"

Yeah if you know what i mean then what was your complaint exactly?

@Jayden Reese.9542 said:Nice, you played 10 minutes for the 1st time in months and made the same thread as no forum reg knew your opinion on the topic. Welcome back.

Well, seems like the game is still a kitten-show. Also i didn't give my opinion, i just showed off how balance is still completely broken.

There wasn't a complaint lmao maybe try reading it again :bleep_bloop:it did seem weird you got over defensive at nothing to be honest.

[Anput.4620]

@sephiroth.4217 said:

@Anput.4620 said:

@sephiroth.4217 said:

@Anput.4620 said:

@Turkeyspit.3965 said:At 1:26 you ate a Chaotic Release in an open field 1v1 while you had full endurance - I think you've shown us all exactly why you struggle to dismount people on Warclaws.

Btw, I've been dismounted by condi rev multiple times more than by a ranger.

Like you've said, this game should not cater to bad players.

I didn't even bother to try tbh, i knew i could just stack torment and do whatever, killed them earlier lol.

Also i literally made this rev today so i am mainly trying to learn my own skills and how it works, reacting isn't easy when i am trying to remember what my utilities do, also like i said they were bad so i didn't bother with counterplay, its the sole reason im playing rn as ive said ive quit the game basically before this. I don't really know what im doing here as its my first time rev ever.

@sephiroth.4217 said:Anput... you'll get more people on your side if you advocate all the broken stuff you can do with mounts.

make a video where you pick on newer players using the mount or better yet... play a long and start telling everyone who doesn't zerg that they are (insert insult) and to adapt because this is anets vision.

I mean what isn't blatantly broken about this? Most forum poeple don't care about broken, just what is in their favour and isn't.

This is a clip that shows how overtuned it is and instead of a sidegrade it is pure powercreep without counterplay, what else do you need? Any serious PvP community would have agreed already.

I run around for 40 minutes to kill 1 reaper last night like how is that any fun?

Because it's ZeRg OnLy now and you need to AdApT hehe...

I think your mention of the PvP community hits it on the head though... WvW isn't about PvP anymore with this new direction Anet are going. I think from the looks of it, WvW will be moulded into something similar to PvE to be used as downtime for PvE players waiting on more PvE content instead of this usual approach we've had for 6 years where they only come back for the day to speed run content and leave again.

You know how it goes... "OnLy PvE plAyeRs SpEnD mOnEy On GaME"

Yeah if you know what i mean then what was your complaint exactly?

@Jayden Reese.9542 said:Nice, you played 10 minutes for the 1st time in months and made the same thread as no forum reg knew your opinion on the topic. Welcome back.

Well, seems like the game is still a kitten-show. Also i didn't give my opinion, i just showed off how balance is still completely broken.

There wasn't a complaint lmao maybe try reading it again :bleep_bloop:it did seem weird you got over defensive at nothing to be honest.

Did it seem like overly defensive? To me it just seems like you are agreeing yet trying to make another point? It often confuses me.

Ive played for an hour today and had 2 fights btw, how is that quality content lol.

[sephiroth.4217]

@Anput.4620 said:

@sephiroth.4217 said:

@Anput.4620 said:

@sephiroth.4217 said:

@Anput.4620 said:

@Turkeyspit.3965 said:At 1:26 you ate a Chaotic Release in an open field 1v1 while you had full endurance - I think you've shown us all exactly why you struggle to dismount people on Warclaws.

Btw, I've been dismounted by condi rev multiple times more than by a ranger.

Like you've said, this game should not cater to bad players.

I didn't even bother to try tbh, i knew i could just stack torment and do whatever, killed them earlier lol.

Also i literally made this rev today so i am mainly trying to learn my own skills and how it works, reacting isn't easy when i am trying to remember what my utilities do, also like i said they were bad so i didn't bother with counterplay, its the sole reason im playing rn as ive said ive quit the game basically before this. I don't really know what im doing here as its my first time rev ever.

@sephiroth.4217 said:Anput... you'll get more people on your side if you advocate all the broken stuff you can do with mounts.

make a video where you pick on newer players using the mount or better yet... play a long and start telling everyone who doesn't zerg that they are (insert insult) and to adapt because this is anets vision.

I mean what isn't blatantly broken about this? Most forum poeple don't care about broken, just what is in their favour and isn't.

This is a clip that shows how overtuned it is and instead of a sidegrade it is pure powercreep without counterplay, what else do you need? Any serious PvP community would have agreed already.

I run around for 40 minutes to kill 1 reaper last night like how is that any fun?

Because it's ZeRg OnLy now and you need to AdApT hehe...

I think your mention of the PvP community hits it on the head though... WvW isn't about PvP anymore with this new direction Anet are going. I think from the looks of it, WvW will be moulded into something similar to PvE to be used as downtime for PvE players waiting on more PvE content instead of this usual approach we've had for 6 years where they only come back for the day to speed run content and leave again.

You know how it goes... "OnLy PvE plAyeRs SpEnD mOnEy On GaME"

Yeah if you know what i mean then what was your complaint exactly?

@"Jayden Reese.9542" said:Nice, you played 10 minutes for the 1st time in months and made the same thread as no forum reg knew your opinion on the topic. Welcome back.

Well, seems like the game is still a kitten-show. Also i didn't give my opinion, i just showed off how balance is still completely broken.

There wasn't a complaint lmao maybe try reading it again :bleep_bloop:it did seem weird you got over defensive at nothing to be honest.

Did it seem like overly defensive? To me it just seems like you are agreeing yet trying to make another point? It often confuses me.

Take in all the complaints that have been brought up since Warclaw and what the population hates most then use it back on them to extreme levels to make them complain instead of you is what I was getting at.

EG: Unfair to be ganked by 1 person without a mount, so use 5 people to gank that same person and ask them if that was any more fair than before when it was only 1 person.Play a super spikey zerker build that 1 shots the mount and player on it, soooo many complaints about being 1 shot and yet it's the encouraged playstyle to engage mounts.

It's main reason I play CeleReaper at the moment actually.... By using the mount, I take away any advantage other classes previously had over me with range or mobility essentially nullifying that players class advantages. Also due to how the mount works, I can chose my own fights... So naturally I pick all the fights that I know I can win... "Oh look, how cute, he's not even bronze rank yet" or "free ele kill, dont mind if I do!".... And there's nothing anyone can do about it because they can't even dismount me.

I used to hate the imbalance (I still do) but I've aDaPtEd to using its powercreep for abuse. The more experienced players who do that, the more others might complain about the unfairness of the imbalance it has brought or lack of interaction with those players due to not having a dismount skill.

I don't think it's fair I get to chose my own engagements in an open world pvp environment and naturally I'm only going to pick the winning fights... Does it sound like fun for the other player? Probably not, but let them complain about it.

[Sovereign.1093]

if u want to dismount ppl, all zerks <3 assassin herald on sword sword staff.

:3

[Obtena.7952]

@Clownmug.8357 said:What am I supposed to see in this video? Seems like just a melee focused build struggling to hit something that moves.

Apparently, you are supposed to see a whole bunch of stuff that convinces you Warclaw is the worst thing ever ... because that's the OP's agenda. he's going to tell you about all the ways it's ruined WvW ... for him. And that should mean it's ruined it for you too ... because if Warclaw hasn't ruined your WvW experience, it's because you must be a scrub and you don't count anyways. Just don't forget to ignore what it does bring for people. Then you will be on the bandwagon ... the bandwagon that doesn't get that the game has moved on.

@Dawdler.8521 said:That's like the most pathetic attempt at a dismount I've ever seen.

Yeah ... but don't worry, Op assures it's not an L2P issue. it's just that the Warclaw is broken. The problem is that the OP and others appeal to 'fixing' Warclaw via a balance argument. The problem is that it wasn't implemented as a balance issue in the first place, so that appeal doesn't make sense. Nothing in this game is balanced; why would Warclaw be THE thing that does?

People argue around the idea that Warclaw doesn't have the intended effects ... really? How so? Like Anet didn't think a CC immune, fast moving, lots of HP mount wouldn't give these effects to players? The whole discussion is VERY dishonest IMO. Until these people come to the same level of understanding of other reasonable people, their complains will continue to make little sense.

There is a reason the OP simply posts a video ... because he know's he can't defend his position with words. It's already been explained to him numerous times. He's somehow convinced himself Anet should be targetting the 'hardcore good WVW players' with their changes .. that shows a direct lack of understanding about how this game works and why.

[Knighthonor.4061]

The introduction of WvW Mounts made lots of sense. It was to address a flaw in WvW but brought another issue to the table.

I told you all in another thread on how they should properly fix both issues, the WvW Flaw and the Mount issue.

We need a new Reviving system in WvW other than the Waypoint system. This way Mounts wouldn't be as needed and then you can apply a better system to dismount players such as a smaller break bar or a CC counter and even a number of hits counter for dismounting as well as Traps that dismount.

We need the revival system revamped so people wouldn't have to run so much to get back to the fights. I talked about this many times here on this forum. We need rez system like FPS games do it. Timers and Dedicated capturable rez locations.

[iKeostuKen.2738]

Best bet on this issue is to give up on GW2 PvP altogether. Spend all that energy on WoW Classic and get geared for phase 3 when PvP is fully implemented.

Really no point in hammering on good design for this game, it will either come to late or not at all with the current track record of this company and this community forum feedback.

[bluberblasen.9684]

@"Anput.4620" said:

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why are you so angry ???just /wave them and walk away....

[bluberblasen.9684]

@kraai.7265 said:

And i would bet the creator of warclaw mechanics is the same guy that designed deadeyes lol

i laughed hard.sad but true ^^

edit:sorry 4 doublepost.. misclicked.