Storm Sunstarr.8470 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 I wouldn't fixate on ranks at all. My wife and I have alt accounts and finally decided to get our warclaws for them. On my main account I am rank 5,990 while my alt is a whopping 58. It was actually pretty funny watching gold/plat/mithril roamers come after me for what they thought was an easy kill against my core warrior only to get spanked hard. That being said, figure out traits/utilities that can mitigate some of that condi and use them at the appropriate time. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedievalThings.5417 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Always ignore the rank. I play multiple accts each week (thanks ticket cap), but even with that, the accts are gold, gold, silver, silver and bronze. I have a rank 68 one as well, but I try to pretend it doesn't exit. So if you jump me on the very low bronze acct, you aren't gonna get a free noob kill. That aside, yes, there are some very broken builds in wvw. I just keep hoping that some of the more ridiculous outliers will get adjusted soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliamRationem.5172 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 @Sammyjoe.4271 said:I have a serious question.... what is the balance team thinking? I have been playing this game since 2012 and I believe I've hit my breaking point. Tell me how a Recruit or Scout in WvW can kill me a Platinum ranked veteran player? Oh right it's because they play a condi build! Tell me why there is little I can do in a duel with a Deadeye even if I time my rotations and utilities well? Oh right it's because they port everywhere shoot, then stealth on EVERY DODGE. Tell me why the balance team comes out with a HUGE balance patch and nerfs every power build but literally doesn't touch condi?! It blows my mind. Never have I had such disappointment and fear for this game, you gotta balance a game for it to be successful. I think I speak for everyone when I say condi has been problematic for years now YEARS. I will NEVER run condi, It's a free ticket to wherever you want to go. Cruise? Sure! Take this free ticket! Botswana? Sure! Take this ticket! If you think otherwise you are probably a condi user yourself :D. _The main problem here is _as a power user I pretty much need AT LEAST 2 of the following 3... Power, Precision and Ferocity to do damage since the balance team nerfed it all. This is obviously going to make me squishier unless I invest in Vitality and Toughness which I do but you can't take away from your damage too much in these trying times. So there ya go. Oh wait? More you say? Ok! Now... condi users can say hmmmm... I don't need power, I don't need precision, and I don't need ferocity.. OMG all I need is condi damage to do damage? I don't need power, precision, or ferocity? And they have to dedicate their whole build to removing condi's or they don't even have a 1% chance! WOW I LOVE THIS GAME I KILL EVERYONE! So..... Carl we'll call him only needs condi damage stat. But he needs more than just that. Oh I know lets throw toughness and vitality in there oh and a little healing power? BOOM! Well done Anet. He is now a damage dealing (over time) tank. And I need to run DUAL cleansing sigils, and tons of other condi removals. OH and the ascended food that has -20 condi duration. Oh and don't even get me started on Expertise.This game use to give me so much enjoyment, I guess It's either time to give up on this game or just play PvE... With 10k hours put into this game I have to say that I am highly disappointed in Anet right now.Oh and don't @ me saying oh well just run dual cleansing sigils and runes of the anti toxin. No. Stop. I should be able to craft my build without having to do all that, without having to make sure I have at least 14,596 condi removals. PS I do run dual cleansing sigils, just not the runes... Runes of the Fireworks FTW.First, rank means nothing. A diamond rank player could be strictly a zerg player while maybe that bronze rank player is an alt roamer or a God of PvP who does a little roaming from time to time.Second, you don't speak for everyone. It just seems that way because there are a handful of condi whiners who sit on these forums complaining about condi all day long. Look closely at the names and you will see it's the same people in every thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowCatz.8437 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 @diomache.9246 said:Burn, as a condition, should never be able to burst something down. Make it run 50% longer and lower the damage of the same amount.How would any condi based profession by able to kill before they get bursted down from power build when there is no burst damage from any condition any more?In that case condition builds need to be able to completely lock down power players much more, then power builds. I don't think people would like to see that kind of change.There is reason why most player in WvW and PvP focus on having as strong condition damage and not too much of expertise as it rather useless when it can be cleansed, negated by resistance (no damage taken during that duration for any kind of condition damage) or regen (HoT that compensate for lost HP). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArchonWing.9480 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 They could just be a pvp player that occasionaly does wvw. Or alts. Whatever, the game doesn't take much skill either way, and rank means nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nugget.7203 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 ranks mean nothing, and condi is another playstyle, why should you dictate what other people should play? you say you are a veteran player yet you dont see past it. this topic is very sad to all other real veteran players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nugget.7203 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 @Sammyjoe.4271 said:I have a serious question.... what is the balance team thinking? I have been playing this game since 2012 and I believe I've hit my breaking point. Tell me how a Recruit or Scout in WvW can kill me a Platinum ranked veteran player? Oh right it's because they play a condi build! Tell me why there is little I can do in a duel with a Deadeye even if I time my rotations and utilities well? Oh right it's because they port everywhere shoot, then stealth on EVERY DODGE. Tell me why the balance team comes out with a HUGE balance patch and nerfs every power build but literally doesn't touch condi?! It blows my mind. Never have I had such disappointment and fear for this game, you gotta balance a game for it to be successful. I think I speak for everyone when I say condi has been problematic for years now YEARS. I will NEVER run condi, It's a free ticket to wherever you want to go. Cruise? Sure! Take this free ticket! Botswana? Sure! Take this ticket! If you think otherwise you are probably a condi user yourself :D. _The main problem here is _as a power user I pretty much need AT LEAST 2 of the following 3... Power, Precision and Ferocity to do damage since the balance team nerfed it all. This is obviously going to make me squishier unless I invest in Vitality and Toughness which I do but you can't take away from your damage too much in these trying times. So there ya go. Oh wait? More you say? Ok! Now... condi users can say hmmmm... I don't need power, I don't need precision, and I don't need ferocity.. OMG all I need is condi damage to do damage? I don't need power, precision, or ferocity? And they have to dedicate their whole build to removing condi's or they don't even have a 1% chance! WOW I LOVE THIS GAME I KILL EVERYONE! So..... Carl we'll call him only needs condi damage stat. But he needs more than just that. Oh I know lets throw toughness and vitality in there oh and a little healing power? BOOM! Well done Anet. He is now a damage dealing (over time) tank. And I need to run DUAL cleansing sigils, and tons of other condi removals. OH and the ascended food that has -20 condi duration. Oh and don't even get me started on Expertise.This game use to give me so much enjoyment, I guess It's either time to give up on this game or just play PvE... With 10k hours put into this game I have to say that I am highly disappointed in Anet right now.Oh and don't @ me saying oh well just run dual cleansing sigils and runes of the anti toxin. No. Stop. I should be able to craft my build without having to do all that, without having to make sure I have at least 14,596 condi removals. PS I do run dual cleansing sigils, just not the runes... Runes of the Fireworks FTW.and there is a simple answer to your post, git gud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svarty.8019 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 Frustration with certain classes is understandable. The developers spend a great deal of time thinking about skill balance, but sadly, the problems come from basic core mechanics and it seems the developers are very reluctant to adjust those.Combat is GW2's biggest weakness. The skills are awful, janky, twitchy and unintuitive. There's nothing fun about the combat system. It's a shame because there are a great many positives to discover in the rest of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliamRationem.5172 Posted July 24, 2020 Share Posted July 24, 2020 @Svarty.8019 said:Frustration with certain classes is understandable. The developers spend a great deal of time thinking about skill balance, but sadly, the problems come from basic core mechanics and it seems the developers are very reluctant to adjust those.Combat is GW2's biggest weakness. The skills are awful, janky, twitchy and unintuitive. There's nothing fun about the combat system. It's a shame because there are a great many positives to discover in the rest of the game.Are we playing the same game? GW2's combat system is way above standard in the field of MMOs! Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Besetment.9187 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 @Sammyjoe.4271 said:I should be able to craft my build without having to do all that, without having to make sure I have at least 14,596 condi removals.Should has nothing to do with it. Do it if it noticeably improves your chance of winning duels or don't. Everything else is just an elaborate and arbitrary excuse for why you are losing and/or consistently finding yourself in unfavourable 1v1s. Thinking like that isn't going to help you win. Sorry to tell you but thats scrub logic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASP.8093 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 @Sammyjoe.4271 said:Tell me how a Recruit or Scout in WvW can kill me a Platinum ranked veteran player?Maybe they're just better than you. ¯\(ツ)/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben.2160 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Some of the worst players I've encountered were Diamond rank. Diamond Legend top of the top being some of the worst of all?I'm Rank 895/Silver Soldier. Rank means nothing. As mentioned it's probably high levels on alt accounts, PvP champs that've popped over to WvW.Though this is awkward as several will argue you shouldn't 'pick on' under Bronze ranks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkpile.7439 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 90% players that i one hit are low rank. B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svarty.8019 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 @ASP.8093 said:@Sammyjoe.4271 said:Tell me how a Recruit or Scout in WvW can kill me a Platinum ranked veteran player?Maybe they're just better than you. ¯\(ツ)/¯That's another weakness in the combat system. There's too much reliance on Skill to determine the outcome of a fight. Where's the fun in that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepwalker.1398 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 Some balance decisions are really weird.eg. why give an op class explosive entrance?I see many now run in from stealth using grenades for easy kills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiawal.2351 Posted July 25, 2020 Share Posted July 25, 2020 @"Sammyjoe.4271" said:Tell me how a Recruit or Scout in WvW can kill me a Platinum ranked veteran player? PPT ranks have nothing to do with killsP.S. The game isn't "balanced" for 1vs1, not even for 5 vs. 5 though intended to be, at least in sPvP mode. Many things are completely broken, since they were made for PvE. Until you can find a better PvP game (or waiting this to be "fixed"), be smart about the class/builds/playstyle you use when countering others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 @Tiawal.2351 said:@Sammyjoe.4271 said:Tell me how a Recruit or Scout in WvW can kill me a Platinum ranked veteran player? PPT ranks have nothing to do with killsPPT rank huh. Thats a new one. Though I suppose its kind of accurate, just like how GvGs has nothing to do with fighting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoftFootpaws.9134 Posted July 26, 2020 Share Posted July 26, 2020 I don't think rank is a good argument for anything, it probably shouldn't exist to begin with. My rank is about 500, for the first ~7 years of the game it only got up to 300 because roaming gives very little WXP (especially without boosters), and it only started increasing because as the game started running better in Linux I could play in zergs more, where you can rank up literally 100x faster.And because I've played RvR games like this for the last 15 years or so my situational awareness and ability to think both strategically and tactically in combat even on a new character or build is quite extensive, especially when outmatched.The point is, smurfs exist, and they don't have to be from GW; they can be from other games too. Some things change but alot of things stay the same since games have alot of similar origins (in GW, its DAoC specifically) that you can work with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGrimm.5624 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 @Aeolus.3615 said:@TheGrimm.5624 said:@"Sammyjoe.4271" said:I will NEVER run condi, It's a free ticket to wherever you want to go. I am sorry you are having problems with condi builds. That said though if you truly never run condi builds how did you gauge the nerf that the condi side took with the balance patch? The power reduction was pretty clear a 30% but condi isn't as easily measured since some went longer and lower and some went from something to 0 which would be a 100% reduction. If you don't play condi how do you learn how to fight it or counter it? Only power and heal were reduced... wich makes conditions optimized since some conditions are excelent bursters, reason condi rev is strong atm and high burn bunkers builds with surviability are also very strong, it was ALWAYTS this strong, we playrs just had more easy access for overperming damage output iwth power, note i play condi rev since and after patch.... it feels weaker cause phsical damage is also less.And did i miss any update after that, that changed some conditions?No it was the same update, a number of condis took hits that day as well, it wasn't just power and heal. From the example I cited:https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/98220/game-update-notes-february-25-2020#latestOne example:Spike Trap: Reduced power coefficient from 0.2 to 0.01. Adjusted bleeding from 6 stacks for 6.25 seconds to 1 stack for 1 second. Reduced cooldown from 30 seconds to 20 seconds.So this one in WvW I can say went from 19-21K damage over 12 seconds to a couple of hundred over 1 second. Completely gutted. A number were reduced and either stacks or duration were reduced as well. Again I play power and condi builds and the patch was felt on all toons. Of the 23 alts that were all viable in WvW down to just 2 that didn't feel they need some changes after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helicity.3416 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 @Svarty.8019 said:@ASP.8093 said:@Sammyjoe.4271 said:Tell me how a Recruit or Scout in WvW can kill me a Platinum ranked veteran player?Maybe they're just better than you. ¯\(ツ)/¯That's another weakness in the combat system. There's too much reliance on Skill to determine the outcome of a fight. Where's the fun in that? You MUST be joking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hoon.1524 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 ofc he's joking... you beat other people down with community spirit and teamwork Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddie.5861 Posted July 27, 2020 Share Posted July 27, 2020 so people still look at rank.if u played for so long u know most of em oldies used to play a lootstick guard and many others played EoTM which is all fine but rank means jackshit, just because some1 is endgame rank doesnt mean he is any good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 @"DeceiverX.8361" said:Rank does not indicate skill, though. It mostly just implies objective flips and kill count, which are metrics of time spent playing in the format. There are a lot of high-WvW-rank players that aren't good.For a zerg karma trainer, perhaps. For a roamer, neither "objective flips" or "kill counts" mean anything in practice. Because rank indicate exactly one thing - experience.I am always vary of high ranked players. Sometimes their knowledge on how to fight me and levrage their build can be more dangerous than any mechanically skilled young whippersnapper... and sometimes they mop the floor with you. It happens.It doesnt exactly help that ranks are account bound either. Send the best 10k rank pvp tournament winning thief in the world in on a roaming necro and I'm pretty sure his permastealth teleport style play will be somewhat hampered. I mean necro is the best WvW roamer by popular vote, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeceiverX.8361 Posted July 28, 2020 Share Posted July 28, 2020 @Dawdler.8521 said:@"DeceiverX.8361" said:Rank does not indicate skill, though. It mostly just implies objective flips and kill count, which are metrics of time spent playing in the format. There are a lot of high-WvW-rank players that aren't good.For a zerg karma trainer, perhaps. For a roamer, neither "objective flips" or "kill counts" mean anything in practice. Because rank indicate exactly one thing - experience.I am always vary of high ranked players. Sometimes their knowledge on how to fight me and levrage their build can be more dangerous than any mechanically skilled young whippersnapper... and sometimes they mop the floor with you. It happens.It doesnt exactly help that ranks are account bound either. Send the best 10k rank pvp tournament winning thief in the world in on a roaming necro and I'm pretty sure his permastealth teleport style play will be somewhat hampered. I mean necro is the best WvW roamer by popular vote, but still.That plays the opposite, however.Have a zergling on a new build playing a roaming class and his rank will be massively over-valued.Even within the scope of roaming, I'll be first to admit I'm an embarrassingly bad ele and always have been - I'm much better at twitch plays and timing on a few skills than tons of button presses in rotation (which is why I'm good at thief and reaper) - so there's no way my rank predicates my combat abilities given how most players without much PvP experience could probably go even with me so long as they know their class while I durdle and suck despite a much higher rank.It's especially apparent surrounding major meta shakeups where people are experimenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirushi.3856 Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 @Sammyjoe.4271 said:I have a serious question.... what is the balance team thinking? I have been playing this game since 2012 and I believe I've hit my breaking point. Tell me how a Recruit or Scout in WvW can kill me a Platinum ranked veteran player? If you ask this kind of question, you are in no way a true veteran player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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