Ayrilana.1396 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Friday.7864 said: Same principle. I'll refrain from using examples or posting anymore as some of you seem to be taking things too literally and derailing the thread. Bye. Not really. If this thread were intended by Anet to vote on whether to have it one way or another then sure. Also, disagreeing with you is not derailing. Edited May 13, 2021 by Ayrilana.1396 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asum.4960 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) It's not really just a Forum minority when offline, looking all competitor products, google trends etc. is used in the absolute vast majority. I don't think I've come across On-Line and Off-Line once in decades of online gaming. Hell, google even auto corrects off-line to offline at this point, I think it's pretty clear what the majority is used to - if a dictionary definition from 1919 agrees or not. Edited May 13, 2021 by Asum.4960 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Just because something might become acceptable (wrt grammar) doesn't make it correct. Take the debate over the Oxford comma, for example. Or, the liberal use of the "apostrophe s" on words that don't show possession at least here in the US where such things are relatively prevalent. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyon Sama.8301 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Wow, I didn't know it was this serious. Lord. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosh.6348 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 That simple grammatical correction improved my game performance by 100%... while Off-line. Because, while online, the game could use some serious optimization instead of some word polish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onyx.3709 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) Hi. I wrote this haiku. This is my first post Please change it back to "offline" Without a hyphen Outdated grammar Outdated game engine too Get with the times now Stop using Webster Start using your common sense Just look at this graph https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=Offline%2COff-line&year_start=1890&year_end=2019&corpus=26&smoothing=0&case_insensitive=true Edited May 13, 2021 by onyx.3709 6 2 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmpgamer.9628 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 If Arenanet wants to go back to using an outdated version of the word off-line, then I fully expect them to change other "grammatically incorrect" words such as email to e-mail and website to web-site. It's outdated and both versions are grammatically correct. Now it's just an eyesore. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solemn.9608 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 I don't even mind so much that it's now hyphenated. I mind that it's incorrectly hyphenated as off -line with a space. Who even does that, what, is -line a command argument for the off function? Just make it off-line or offline what kind of psychopath writes off -line. Lol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koman.7064 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) I seriously wouldn't have cared if both offline and online changed to have a hyphen. But now it looks odd in chat to have Online and Off-line as opposed to either On-line and Off-line or Online and Offline. If you're saying it's a grammatical clean up, shouldn't the same rule regarding the use of a hyphen apply to both words? Edited May 13, 2021 by Koman.7064 Grammatical error Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MokahTGS.7850 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 Looks like #hyphen-gate is in full affect. Pretty sure this is a social experiment for forum moderator training. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, kharmin.7683 said: Just because something might become acceptable (wrt grammar) doesn't make it correct. Actually, it's exactly how grammar changes over the years. Things become acceptable to more and more people, and eventually, after the old form gets phased out and new form becomes used by more and more people, one after another "official" entities start to acknowledge it. In this case, while Merriam Webster seems to be insisting on "off-line", other "grammar correctness authorities" already acknowledge both forms as correct, with Oxford recognizing only "offline". It also seems that Merriam-Webster is a bit conservative (to put it mildly) about language, which is why it may be insisting on using a form that went out of use in the previous millenium. It's weird to see such a change here, because the MMORPG target group is generally not the one that would be assumed to be so old-fashioned and conservative about language. Edited May 13, 2021 by Astralporing.1957 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotDelirium.7984 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 I love this response lol. Imagine having to validate every random whim of OCD from humans on this planet. Whew, can't relate. #controversy Now everyone can go back to hating the IBS ending. ❤️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HotDelirium.7984 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 8 hours ago, Kyon Sama.8301 said: Wow, I didn't know it was this serious. Lord. It's not. People are bored and are tired of farming Dragonstorm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 42 minutes ago, HotDelirium.7984 said: It's not. People are bored and are tired of farming Dragonstorm. How can you get tierd of doing something 20mins once a day? Oh and change it back to offline please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inculpatus cedo.9234 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 What a silly thing to get worked up over! Surely, there are changes to the game we would rather have the Devs work on, no? Personally, I'd rather be able to change my status (to Off -line or online) before entering the game. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linken.6345 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Inculpatus cedo.9234 said: What a silly thing to get worked up over! Surely, there are changes to the game we would rather have the Devs work on, no? Personally, I'd rather be able to change my status (to Off -line or online) before entering the game. Exactly many in this thread is worked up over it because the devs decided to change it 8 years in instead of doing other stuff. Now when they already done it once it is a quick fix to get it back. No need to reinvent the wheel again. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrilana.1396 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 30 minutes ago, Linken.6345 said: No need to reinvent the wheel again. But isn't that what Anet does... quite often? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 (edited) Real Anet chads and chadettes would leave it as off-line. Then casually take a big bite of the cryburger and smirk while looking up to see the expressions on the OCDoofi Edited May 14, 2021 by Crab Fear.1624 muh tori spelling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rhett.9360 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 22 hours ago, CathShadow.9507 said: I appreciate changes, and attempts to improve quality, like this. That said, as I understand, Off-line is American English, Offline is British It's American English as well. I don't know why referring to "THE DICTIONARY" is even relevant anymore things change so quickly and new words are added constantly. "Website" wasn't technically "correct" for a long time until they finally added it because everyone uses it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReVanChe.9271 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 I read the following conclusion in an article about : "Online and Offline: To Hyphenate or Not" (Author: Sheila Sanders ) Quote: "The rule, of course, is consistency: use the same form throughout a document. The normal progression in English is to move from two separate words, to a hyphenated word, to a single term. Thus, online and offline are no exceptions; they are simply moving through these stages very quickly. (...) " In other words, if you write "off-line" then also "on-line", ... no idea if you have to proceed this also with "in-line" and "out-line" . 😄 A small note on e-mail: here "e" is the abbreviation for "electronic" and I see the hyphen as helpful - for me a difference to off-line. E-Mail without the hyphen could occasionally be confusing in other languages, since there exist a word "email", but with the meaning of "Vitreous enamel". In the Wikipedia article there is therefore a remark: "This article deals with the enamel coating of Email. For electronic mail, see E-Mail." (translated) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 On 5/12/2021 at 4:56 PM, Fire Attunement.9835 said: I heard back from the editing team. Short version from them: They did it as part of some editing clean-up (clean up? cleanup? I don't even know at this point) to make it grammatically correct. Long version from them: GRAMMAR CONTROVERSY AT ARENANET The editing team struggled mightily with the weighty decision to add a hyphen in the term "off-line." After a heated debate that included no small amount of name-calling, tears, and even a little bloodshed (from an accidental, self-inflicted paper cut), they came to the not-entirely-unanimous decision that matching the spelling prescribed by Merriam-Webster outweighed the aesthetics and character-limit savings of the nonhyphenated spelling. One valued member of the team is contemplating leaving their highly sought-after Assistant to the Junior Editor position over the entire affair. The harmony of the editing team has been forever upset, but it's a worthy sacrifice in the name of proper grammar. Boy, let me tell you guys about UX design... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadoX.3124 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 On 5/13/2021 at 7:52 AM, CathShadow.9507 said: I appreciate changes, and attempts to improve quality, like this. That said, as I understand, Off-line is American English, Offline is British How about we make a vote ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 30 minutes ago, ParadoX.3124 said: How about we make a vote ? How about no? As has already been stated countless times, the forums do not represent a significant portion of the player base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParadoX.3124 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 48 minutes ago, kharmin.7683 said: How about no? As has already been stated countless times, the forums do not represent a significant portion of the player base. Feels like communism 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kharmin.7683 Posted May 14, 2021 Share Posted May 14, 2021 24 minutes ago, ParadoX.3124 said: Feels like communism I can't see how this relates in any way to communism 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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