ArenaNet Staff Ben Phongluangtham.1065 Posted March 21, 2018 ArenaNet Staff Share Posted March 21, 2018 Hey folk!We're going to be pushing up a new version of one our PvP backend servers around 4PM PDT. This change is to decrease the frequency of "stuck" matches. Especially for matches running during game updates. Ironically, when we push this out some matches will likely get stuck. We should have people unstuck within 30 minutes or so, if it happens.Along with this change, we're going to be doing some experiments with the unranked matchmaker. The change increases the time the matchmaker waits before allowing 2 people of largely differing skill ratings to be placed within the same match. However, average time in queue will likely go up dramatically, especially if you're at high or low end of skill rating. We will running this change to gather data and will likely switch it back within a day or so. However, if queue times go into plaid levels, we could switch this off sooner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Haired Savage.5430 Posted March 21, 2018 Share Posted March 21, 2018 I heard that if they're stuck they can sing the song and it instantly makes them a match, finds them a find, catches them a catch, etc. :trollface: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArenaNet Staff Gaile Gray.6029 Posted March 22, 2018 ArenaNet Staff Share Posted March 22, 2018 @Red Haired Savage.5430 said:I heard that if they're stuck they can sing the song and it instantly makes them a match, finds them a find, catches them a catch, etc. :trollface: +10 for classic musical references. <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brannigan.9831 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I don't understand the problem with longer queues especially for rated where you would want to be as accurate as possible about people's ratings. The answer is not to put people with players they are much better then or much worse then. I also think you have a distorted idea of what a long queue is. For quality of play purposes I would have no problem waiting 5-10 minutes in queue occasionally for rated matches. Part of the reason for the long queues is you chased away so many players doing things the way you have insisted on doing things which consistently trades match quality for faster queues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sephiroth.4217 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I have no issues with longer queue times if it meant beating/losing to people from my own rank division, atleast it will actually reflect my skill level.+1 to hoping this gets put into ranked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rufo.3716 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 The thing with ranked is that you will have the win traders, afk'ers, and hackers, running around killing ranked. Until Anet throws down the ban hammer instead of slaps on the wrist, they will continue to do it. Hell they haven't even shown they can catch obvious hackers. Until they get rid of the toxic crap in ranked, it will never have quality games or even be a true measure of actual skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinkunicorn of Dethecus.32 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Most of my games (across a few accounts) seem to be on point, in spite of waiting 9ish minutes for a queue, have been very close. However, teammate and enemy player quality is quite low from what I have experienced thus far, I am going to attribute it to my unranked mmr decaying from coming out of a ranked season and queuing into unranked. I will always wait longer for a game that isn't a complete blowout on one side or the other. Thank you for your hard work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jariel.9274 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I'd rather waiting longer queue times with the purpose to have a game where I can play all my cards and try to get a fair win, instead than rushing a game where the chances to win or lose are casual, or decided from the amount of casual players I get in my team.Any matchmaking improvement is always a blessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rank eleven monk.9502 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Is this live already? Because I've just waited 13 minutes for a game... That's beyond terrible, especially fo those who don't have the time to play 24 hours a day.@brannigan.9831 said:I don't understand the problem with longer queues especially for rated where you would want to be as accurate as possible about people's ratings. The answer is not to put people with players they are much better then or much worse then. I also think you have a distorted idea of what a long queue is. For quality of play purposes I would have no problem waiting 5-10 minutes in queue occasionally for rated matches. Part of the reason for the long queues is you chased away so many players doing things the way you have insisted on doing things which consistently trades match quality for faster queues.Point is, long queue times put off a lot of people from playing thus severely reducing population -> even longer queues. I guess that's why they are very cautious with that, rightfully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zoopop.5630 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 ill take longer que for rank match ups to be better..... any day of the week. If peeps are complaining about longer que, then just don't que up unless u actually got the time for it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArenaNet Staff Ben Phongluangtham.1065 Posted March 22, 2018 Author ArenaNet Staff Share Posted March 22, 2018 @rank eleven monk.9502 said:Is this live already? Because I've just waited 13 minutes for a game... That's beyond terrible, especially fo those who don't have the time to play 24 hours a day.@brannigan.9831 said:I don't understand the problem with longer queues especially for rated where you would want to be as accurate as possible about people's ratings. The answer is not to put people with players they are much better then or much worse then. I also think you have a distorted idea of what a long queue is. For quality of play purposes I would have no problem waiting 5-10 minutes in queue occasionally for rated matches. Part of the reason for the long queues is you chased away so many players doing things the way you have insisted on doing things which consistently trades match quality for faster queues.Point is, long queue times put off a lot of people from playing thus severely reducing population -> even longer queues. I guess that's why they are very cautious with that, rightfullyYes, it's on. We'll likely switch it back this afternoon and look at the gathered data. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:@rank eleven monk.9502 said:Is this live already? Because I've just waited 13 minutes for a game... That's beyond terrible, especially fo those who don't have the time to play 24 hours a day.@brannigan.9831 said:I don't understand the problem with longer queues especially for rated where you would want to be as accurate as possible about people's ratings. The answer is not to put people with players they are much better then or much worse then. I also think you have a distorted idea of what a long queue is. For quality of play purposes I would have no problem waiting 5-10 minutes in queue occasionally for rated matches. Part of the reason for the long queues is you chased away so many players doing things the way you have insisted on doing things which consistently trades match quality for faster queues.Point is, long queue times put off a lot of people from playing thus severely reducing population -> even longer queues. I guess that's why they are very cautious with that, rightfullyYes, it's on. We'll likely switch it back this afternoon and look at the gathered data.But why??? It makes no sense my friend!So far the matchmaking has been working fantastically for me , yah I had to wait 6+ m but it was worth it, I'd rather wait 6-8+m and have a decent 10m game than wait 1-2m and have birds for teammates and have an horrible 10m game, if people don't want longer queues they shouldn't play ranked, longer queue=quality..there is no way around it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falan.1839 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Cancelled my unranked Q after 10 min last night. This doesn't seem like a great idea, especially for unranked where I don't expect great match quality anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rank eleven monk.9502 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Thanks for the info. Looking forward to the results.Usually I'm not really playing off hours, but this week I had the free time to do so, I queued stronghold only (not conquest!). Had a wait time of 40 minutes and an average of 20 mins today. I know it lacks player base, but yesterday during the same time it was 10 mins tops. Not sure if it's down to the new matchmaking or pure bad luck, but I've only managed to play like 6 (stronghold) games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ButterPeanut.9746 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 @Arheundel.6451 said:@Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:@rank eleven monk.9502 said:Is this live already? Because I've just waited 13 minutes for a game... That's beyond terrible, especially fo those who don't have the time to play 24 hours a day.@brannigan.9831 said:I don't understand the problem with longer queues especially for rated where you would want to be as accurate as possible about people's ratings. The answer is not to put people with players they are much better then or much worse then. I also think you have a distorted idea of what a long queue is. For quality of play purposes I would have no problem waiting 5-10 minutes in queue occasionally for rated matches. Part of the reason for the long queues is you chased away so many players doing things the way you have insisted on doing things which consistently trades match quality for faster queues.Point is, long queue times put off a lot of people from playing thus severely reducing population -> even longer queues. I guess that's why they are very cautious with that, rightfullyYes, it's on. We'll likely switch it back this afternoon and look at the gathered data.But why??? It makes no sense my friend!So far the matchmaking has been working fantastically for me , yah I had to wait 6+ m but it was worth it, I'd rather wait 6-8+m and have a decent 10m game than wait 1-2m and have birds for teammates and have an horrible 10m game, if people don't want longer queues they shouldn't play ranked, longer queue=quality..there is no way around itBut then there are other people who don't have as much time and would prefer to play more quickly. Also, the more people that stop playing due to long queue times just compiles the problem by increasing queue times even more. The only solution that is foolproof is letting the players decide. Let the player decide in game how aggressive/loose they want their matchmaking algorithm to search for. Any other solution just leaves certain groups unsatisfied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zlater.6789 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 @"Ben Phongluangtham.1065" said:"We will running this change to gather data"LiTEraLlY uNPlaYaBLE :scream: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArenaNet Staff Ben Phongluangtham.1065 Posted March 22, 2018 Author ArenaNet Staff Share Posted March 22, 2018 Hey folks, we've decided to do a variant of yesterday's experiment. We're keeping the same settings except changing the starting skill rating range for potential matches you can get pulled into from 25 to 50. We want to see how much a change like this decreases average queue time.We'll revert things back to normal settings on Friday afternoon during the weekend, since we won't be in the office to monitor things in case they go really bad. Then on Monday, we will continue experimenting.We'll share some of the data when all of our experiments are done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtrverz.4069 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 47 minutes in queue :D https://imgur.com/a/aPL4t Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ithilwen.1529 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 @Gaile Gray.6029 said:@Red Haired Savage.5430 said:I heard that if they're stuck they can sing the song and it instantly makes them a match, finds them a find, catches them a catch, etc. :trollface: +10 for classic musical references. <3 He was just Fiddlin' on the Roof, ( and yes... great musical .) I logged in and got a match almost instantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crinn.7864 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 @"Xtrverz.4069" said:47 minutes in queue :D https://imgur.com/a/aPL4thow many NPCs did you kill in that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kako.1930 Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 In the matches I played today the queues were pretty short and the matches were fairly decent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArenaNet Staff Ben Phongluangtham.1065 Posted March 23, 2018 Author ArenaNet Staff Share Posted March 23, 2018 People in the middle of the skill rating pack are likely still getting matches at a pretty decent pace. But people with really high or really low skill ratings are the ones most likely to suffer from the changes we've made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallBarr.2184 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 My queue times are literally 30min~ , i'm just trying to get my dailies done... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 I haven't noticed much change in my queue times but this has been my experience with the matchmaker the last couple of days (the day before was bad too, but is not on the screen any longer)https://imgur.com/a/HkuwCWhich of those matches do you think was fun? Only two were even REMOTELY competitive.Is there ANY way the matchmaking in GW2 is going to get to a place where it's not complete garbage or should I just give up and stick to WvW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delweyn.1309 Posted March 24, 2018 Share Posted March 24, 2018 @Ben Phongluangtham.1065 said:allowing 2 people of largely differing skill ratings to be placed within the same match. THIS, at first place, should never ever happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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