Wait, you *decreased* the time Augury Rock is open by *10 mins*?!? — Guild Wars 2 Forums

Wait, you *decreased* the time Augury Rock is open by *10 mins*?!?

Unless I'm badly misunderstanding what this means, it seems an incredibly poor way to decrease the overall wait in Elon. AR is (was!) already open for what felt an unpleasantly short time for those of us who (gasp!) still enjoy the lore aspect of the game. It already required a great many visits to even remotely have enough time to read all the lore stations around the inside, and now you've decreased that time further still? By an entire ten minutes?? Not good.

However, it is very much in line with a number of other breathtakingly poorly-made decisions regarding lore in these games (I say these because this applies most to the lore that carries over from GW1), such as placing the most engaging lore behind the RaidWall™. The decision to put all the most interesting additional bits of lore behind the most difficult gaming is the equivalent of giving out the university's most esoteric philosophy texts only to the football team. Or, if you prefer an ingame metaphor, like asking the Vigil to do the Priory's job and vice-versa. Seriously, not very well-thought-out. Not at all. Yes, yes, there are a few very visible exceptions up on youtube of truly excellent gamers with channels who do the raids, but these are the most exceptional of exceptions. Don't believe me? Try asking your raid group to just chill out for a bit and explore before moving on. Yeah.

Anyway, to return to today's point, it appears that once again, a decision is made that further reduces the ability to savor the immersion and depth of Tyria, once again sacrificing lore geeks on the altar of impatience and mass demand. Which, if you think about it, has a real life counterpart as well, which is why things like universities and such exist in the first place - so that those who wish to learn more have a place to do so. Sadly, no such parallel exists in-game, and it seems that even that which is available holds precious little worth in the eyes of those less interested in such things. This is all the more upsetting given how much more lore was pushed into the content under Mike O, which was just wonderful at first, but then more and more of it became harder and harder to access and explore, and now today we have decisions like this. Sure, it's all still "accessible"... but now will require an order of magnitude more visits to AR to actually acquire in full... the annoyance of which, if I'm not mistaken, is the entire driving force for this decision to begin with. Unfortunately, the problem was solved by reducing the small inconvenience of the masses (waiting for one or two cycles) by exponentially increasing that inconvenience for others (making them repeat said wait dozens of times).

The depth of immersive lore is the reason I fell in love with GW1 soon after launch, and the primary reason why, even after having taken several year+ long breaks for personal reasons, I've always returned to the game. And I know I'm not alone in this. It would be great to see decisions that, if they do not exactly accommodate those like myself, at the least do not actively further restrict our ability to enjoy this particular aspect of the GuildWars franchise, which once stood out so very prominently and made the game and the community what it is and has been all these years. It is a cornerstone of the franchise's success and excellence, and ought not be short-changed.

Just my $0.02...

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  • Mewcifer.5198Mewcifer.5198 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @VDAC.2137 said:
    I feel like it would make more sense to have augury rock open for exploration etc. after defeating the doppelganger. It would flow better for those just interested in doing the meta and make more sense I feel for the magic to be dispersed right away after the first fight and then those who want to read and explore could have plenty of time. :)

    Speaking of lore where does this “ascension” come from and how does it fit in with the rest of the game? Perhaps there’s some lore info I’ve missed elsewhere? Or is it just a local cult type of thing?

    https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ascension

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  • I think it would be better to just decouple the events from each other. Award a hero chest at the end of augury rock and another one after the doppelganger. Other maps like vabbi or the desolation have also two map that can hand out the chest.

  • Chaba.5410Chaba.5410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    So glad I already finished the Flameseeker Prophecies achievement before this change. Yikes!

  • I thought the Disperse Magic event just started 10 minutes earlier, and Augury Rock still stayed open for the full 20 minutes, I could be wrong though...

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Augury Rock closing isn't in any way directly related to the magic event, is it? So nothing should have changed.

    Very passive aggressively chuckling, because I'm totally not mad on the Internet.

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2019

    @Blocki.4931 said:
    Augury Rock closing isn't in any way directly related to the magic event, is it? So nothing should have changed.

    The magic event starts when Augury Rock closes, so I think the change is done to lessen the wait and reduce the entire chain's length. At least, that is all my own assumption

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  • VDAC.2137VDAC.2137 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 12, 2019

    @Mewcifer.5198 said:

    @VDAC.2137 said:
    I feel like it would make more sense to have augury rock open for exploration etc. after defeating the doppelganger. It would flow better for those just interested in doing the meta and make more sense I feel for the magic to be dispersed right away after the first fight and then those who want to read and explore could have plenty of time. :)

    Speaking of lore where does this “ascension” come from and how does it fit in with the rest of the game? Perhaps there’s some lore info I’ve missed elsewhere? Or is it just a local cult type of thing?

    https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Ascension

    So it’s a GW1 thing, figured. Whenever something feels out of place to me (who has only played GW2 so far), this is usually the case. This doesn’t bother me so much as it’s a side thing and I don’t need to understand it. What really bothered me was the whole Lazarus/Livia thing that was shoehorned into LWS3.

  • Kanok.3027Kanok.3027 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 11, 2019

    @Warlord.9082 said:
    I think that the devs have made a lot of poor decisions lately:

    • The ridiculous amounts of time gates for the Skyscale (fair enough, but I've seen worse, personally)
    • Being kicked out of the map Dragonfall every time (so does Dragon Stand. How is this any different?)
    • I don't like the story of Dragonfall, so many tropes, it feels so cheap (well, I ate a lich so therefor I can come back from the dead) (yes, it was obvious, but then again, no one is the perfect storyteller. Everyone botches a story they write)
    • Following Kralk and all you get to do is go left and right a couple of times (just make it a cutscene for crying out loud) (another fair enough, but some people liked it, some didn't. Take it or leave it, it is what it is)
    • Taimi is still alive (her demeanor sucks, her role sucks, her voice sucks, she has no redeeming qualities and needs to go... Let Gorrik take over plz) (A lot of people like her and don't want to see her go. Besides, her overall role has been largely diminished since Jahai Bluffs and finding out she is dying, so why the rage? Let it go)

    Don't get me wrong, there's plenty that I like but this is my least favorite living season chapter so far. Those things mentioned above just suck the fun right out of what could've been great because I see the potential but the execution is horrible.

    Not everyone will agree with you on any of those given points. What stuck out to me was you mentioning Dragon Fall kicking you out of the map when the exact same thing happens in Dragon Stand and no one says a word about that. If you don't like it, then don't visit the map. Simple as that. If you want the loot, you're gonna have to play the map as it was intended, whether you like it or not. That's the way the map was designed and seems people are fine with it as it reminds them of Dragon Stand, which a lot of people still do to this day.

  • Aaralyna.3104Aaralyna.3104 Member ✭✭✭

    I read that one as disconnect in dragonfall = kick out of map to LA. But the Dragonfall map reset I like tons and tons more than Dragonstand (coz now one can organise ahead on a map without being excluded from entering new map regardless if you joined / organised a squad for the meta and were present well ahead).

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Dragonfall is fantastic. Can jump in at any time and you'll be able to get the meta done, maybe a bit slower than organized maps but there is 0 pressure and I've not seen it fail yet. But I digress. If that really means the time is 10 min less then that is very annoying. Even with that long timer I've had trouble getting those achievements done lol it was so frustrating.

    Very passive aggressively chuckling, because I'm totally not mad on the Internet.

  • Drecien.4508Drecien.4508 Member ✭✭✭

    Here's a shocker, tou can read all the scrolls from outside when its closed. #shook

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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Drecien.4508 said:
    Here's a shocker, tou can read all the scrolls from outside when its closed. #shook

    You can? How?

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • SexyMofo.8923SexyMofo.8923 Member ✭✭✭

    What a bad band aid for the people who want to make it to the Casino Blitz! Augury Rock should give the chest instead of the Droppleganger and the time it stays open should remain the same for people who need to do the verse achievement.

  • Miellyn.6847Miellyn.6847 Member ✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Drecien.4508 said:
    Here's a shocker, tou can read all the scrolls from outside when its closed. #shook

    You can? How?

    There are stone plates near the barrier on the outside.

  • Danikat.8537Danikat.8537 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I was surprised by this as well. I've never bothered to try and read them whilst doing the achievement because I read slowly as it is and knowing I'm on a timer and need to hurry up is a great way to make it impossible for me to concentrate at all, so I've been using the achievement to track which ones I've done then going to the Wiki to read them in my own time. But even so this is going to make just completing the achievement harder than it used to be.

    I agree that a better fix would have been to start the doppleganger event immediately after Augury Rock is opened. That way people who just want to do the whole event chain can do that without having to wait around, and those who want to do the achievements and other things inside aren't affected.

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  • Ototo.3214Ototo.3214 Member ✭✭✭
    edited June 12, 2019

    Making the map populated by making the meta not trash is far more important imo. These maps were basically dead before, making it even harder to get into AR in the first place. Now there's a better chance people will even do it. If you really want to read everything.../wiki exists.

    Edit: though, I will agree that they probably should have made the doppleganger event just start almost immediately after AR opens. But it seems to be attached to AR closing...? Maybe there was a difficulty detaching it from AR closing.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Miellyn.6847 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Drecien.4508 said:
    Here's a shocker, tou can read all the scrolls from outside when its closed. #shook

    You can? How?

    There are stone plates near the barrier on the outside.

    Those can be used only to read the verses you have already unlocked. So, they are useless as far as achievement goes.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • The verses are documented on the wiki: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Flameseeker_Verse

  • sorudo.9054sorudo.9054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @OutOfOrder.3719 said:
    Huh ?

    Perhaps maybe the first time entering it, it may take 20 minutes to read.

    But the annoyance from replaying it, on a daily basis, the 10 minute wait will improve the meta event for everyone.

    After playing the meta event, you have to make an active choice to either play the Augury Rock meta for 45 minutes, with the 20 minute delay doing absolutely nothing, or playing something else.

    This is a welcome change, thank you ANET for listening to player feedback.

    I literally would go get something to eat, take a shower or relieve myself during that 1 20 minute boring wait. So glad that it is gone.

    And the worst thing about the Path to Ascension meta, is that you will miss the Casino Blitz meta too.

    and this is why i am hating META's more and more, they take priority over everything else while ruining the gameplay of others.

  • Skotlex.7580Skotlex.7580 Member ✭✭✭

    @sorudo.9054 said:

    @OutOfOrder.3719 said:
    Huh ?

    Perhaps maybe the first time entering it, it may take 20 minutes to read.

    But the annoyance from replaying it, on a daily basis, the 10 minute wait will improve the meta event for everyone.

    After playing the meta event, you have to make an active choice to either play the Augury Rock meta for 45 minutes, with the 20 minute delay doing absolutely nothing, or playing something else.

    This is a welcome change, thank you ANET for listening to player feedback.

    I literally would go get something to eat, take a shower or relieve myself during that 1 20 minute boring wait. So glad that it is gone.

    And the worst thing about the Path to Ascension meta, is that you will miss the Casino Blitz meta too.

    and this is why i am hating META's more and more, they take priority over everything else while ruining the gameplay of others.

    the issue here is that for PvE, most content drops into one of two categories: repeatable, and not repeatable. It doesn't take a leap of logic to recognize the former is more important.

    I am glad that Anet does try to please groups in both camps, but if I had to prioritize, repeatable content will always trump those done once.

  • Mewcifer.5198Mewcifer.5198 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I found the previous timer gave me way more time than I needed for verses.

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  • Miellyn.6847Miellyn.6847 Member ✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Miellyn.6847 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Drecien.4508 said:
    Here's a shocker, tou can read all the scrolls from outside when its closed. #shook

    You can? How?

    There are stone plates near the barrier on the outside.

    Those can be used only to read the verses you have already unlocked. So, they are useless as far as achievement goes.

    1. This is what you asked for.
    2. Of course it helps with the achievement. You can skip reading them during the event and just unlock as fast as possible and read it afterwards. If you are only interested in AP then it won't help...
  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 13, 2019

    @Miellyn.6847 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Miellyn.6847 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Drecien.4508 said:
    Here's a shocker, tou can read all the scrolls from outside when its closed. #shook

    You can? How?

    There are stone plates near the barrier on the outside.

    Those can be used only to read the verses you have already unlocked. So, they are useless as far as achievement goes.

    1. This is what you asked for.

    No, this is definitely not what i asked for. Not being an RP person, i wasn't considering immersion, but was speaking about the echievement side of things from the beginning.
    You suggested there's a way to read all the scrolls without having to wait for the Augury Rock to open. It's not. It's merely a way to read all unlocked scrolls. Which is of no help for those wanting to unlock them.

    1. Of course it helps with the achievement. You can skip reading them during the event and just unlock as fast as possible and read it afterwards.

    You could use wiki for that already. And considering that before unlocking all scrolls took multiple AR events, even if you did skip reading, skipping (and reading the text elsewhere) was already the most sensible choice (unless, again, you were more interested in immersion, in which case you had an even bigger problem). Now, with 10 min less for that, it's going to be much, much more annoying.

    If you are only interested in AP then it won't help...

    So, like i said before, those going for achievemens got kittened over.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • SkyShroud.2865SkyShroud.2865 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I would be mad if I still do ap but I have stopped doing ap for years, it got real boring and meaninglessly repetitive after HOT.

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  • yann.1946yann.1946 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Imperator Nox.7509 said:

    @Valar Dotalis.6409 said:
    The verses are documented on the wiki: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Flameseeker_Verse

    Of course they are. All the lore is documented there. But it seems (stemming from ambiguity due to your terseness) you've missed a very important point of mine (and I don't blame you, given the length of my post) -- immersion. It's an ingame play experience. Reading about it on the wiki is precisely not the right solution for someone seeking immersion. There was precious little reason to gate the lore in the first place, and now with this change, none whatsoever that stands up to scrutiny.

    As people have noted, there are myriad other ways to reduce the wait for people who want to do as many events as quickly as possible. Indeed, decoupling the mechanics impacting the "Meta" community from those impacting others (such as those who appreciate the lore) now seems to be an obvious goal that Anet should strive for, as I can see much trouble down the road if this sort of decision making continues.

    There is no reason whatsoever that lore and immersion should have to impact or be impacted by Meta stampedes. None at all. This solution was poorly made and based on unnecessary constraints. Here's one extremely simple solution (for the record, it's one that I think is not all that great for lore people, but I'd prefer it far more than what was just done): make a Priory scholar area outside AR where some Priory intern schmuck has copied all the stuff found inside AR, leaving an interactable notebook on some table, where a player can read the lore in peace (or, as suggested above (brilliantly, btw), log the lore into some personal notebook to be enjoyed in peace at one's leisure). This took all of three seconds to think of and wouldn't require more than a single man-day of work from a junior dev. (In any case, certainly far less than the requisite unit/regression testing associated with the change as provided. (Well, assuming Anet actually bothers doing such things, which is, unfortunately, rather debatable...))

    Doesn't miellyns observation look like what you're suggesting. So it is in the game already

  • You can only read it on the outside if you allready have done the achievement.

  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Crystal Black.8190 said:
    You can only read it on the outside if you all ready have done the achievement.

    What they're saying it, just unlock them for the Achievement then read them outside once you've finished the Achievement...unless you're saying reading them is part of the Achievement, which I don't think it is...all you need to do is unlock them all....unlock all first(Achievement), read later from outside(not quite as immersive, but still better than wiki).

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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zaklex.6308 said:

    @Crystal Black.8190 said:
    You can only read it on the outside if you all ready have done the achievement.

    What they're saying it, just unlock them for the Achievement then read them outside once you've finished the Achievement...unless you're saying reading them is part of the Achievement, which I don't think it is...all you need to do is unlock them all....unlock all first(Achievement), read later from outside(not quite as immersive, but still better than wiki).

    For an average player it aleady took many meta events to unlock all of the scolls. That's without reading them. Now, with 10 minutes less per meta to do that, it will require even more meta repetitions. And if you are interested primarily in that, all the rest of the very long meta is practically a wasted time.

    It's easy to say "just unlock them", but it's actally that very part that got much more annoying now.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭

    With how much time has been cut, I would be extra frustrated in completing them. It was tedious before, I can't imagine doing it now.

  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Zaklex.6308 said:

    @Crystal Black.8190 said:
    You can only read it on the outside if you all ready have done the achievement.

    What they're saying it, just unlock them for the Achievement then read them outside once you've finished the Achievement...unless you're saying reading them is part of the Achievement, which I don't think it is...all you need to do is unlock them all....unlock all first(Achievement), read later from outside(not quite as immersive, but still better than wiki).

    For an average player it already took many meta events to unlock all of the scrolls. That's without reading them. Now, with 10 minutes less per meta to do that, it will require even more meta repetitions. And if you are interested primarily in that, all the rest of the very long meta is practically a wasted time.

    It's easy to say "just unlock them", but it's actually that very part that got much more annoying now.

    I was just clarifying what was being said as it seemed the person didn't quite grasp the answer. I can see it being more annoying now than before, but since you're doing the Meta anyways(and the pre-events up to and including opening Augury Rock) are not usually a one and done players that are just doing this Achievement now will need to double the number of Meta's that it would've taken previously. Now, should ArenaNet come up with some solution that allows those who want to just read the scrolls and get the Achievement without having to participate in the entire Meta chain...that's up to them to decide.

    I just thought of an alternative solution that wouldn't have required shortening the 20 minutes Augury Rock was open and it involves the Bounty system. Create 2 or 3 more Bounties that are tied exclusively to Augury Rock and are only available when Kaidena's events are successful...these could be specifically related to Augury Rock in some capacity...just a thought to keep those busy who are just there waiting between Josso and the Doppelganger. While some are busy killing those Bounties the ones that want to get the Scrolls would still have their 20 minutes to do so.

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  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Zaklex.6308 said:
    I can see it being more annoying now than before, but since you're doing the Meta anyways

    Actually, when i was doing it, i wasn't doing meta, unless it happened to be very close to Augury Rock opening. The meta itself didn't interest me in the slightest.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Zaklex.6308Zaklex.6308 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Zaklex.6308 said:
    I can see it being more annoying now than before, but since you're doing the Meta anyways

    Actually, when i was doing it, i wasn't doing meta, unless it happened to be very close to Augury Rock opening. The meta itself didn't interest me in the slightest.

    So you weren't participating in any of the events(unless Augury was close to opening), just waiting for Augury Rock to open and then going in and getting the Scrolls? I ask because some players think the Meta is the Doppelganger...when in truth that is just the end of the Meta, which is actually the entire chain of events from the beginning with Kaidena gathering the Forgotten magics., etc., etc., etc.,. I find a lot just show up for the gathering the Wild Magic and killing the Doppelganger(when in fact it also includes all the pre-events), I wonder how much participation would decrease or increase in those Meta's that are a chain of events if players needed to participate in all phases of the chain in order to get rewards(that's another subject entirely I know, but it would be interesting to know).

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  • FrizzFreston.5290FrizzFreston.5290 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I suppose that's a plus side of things that are one time completion then. So that you can safely ignore silly fixes to stuff that wasn't all that broken.

    A simple fix imo would at the very least be, not kicking out players when it closes. If the blockades allow that anyhow.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2019

    @Zaklex.6308 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Zaklex.6308 said:
    I can see it being more annoying now than before, but since you're doing the Meta anyways

    Actually, when i was doing it, i wasn't doing meta, unless it happened to be very close to Augury Rock opening. The meta itself didn't interest me in the slightest.

    So you weren't participating in any of the events(unless Augury was close to opening), just waiting for Augury Rock to open and then going in and getting the Scrolls?

    I did participate if the AR was close to opening. Otherwise i just moved to a different map to do something else.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Miellyn.6847 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Drecien.4508 said:
    Here's a shocker, tou can read all the scrolls from outside when its closed. #shook

    You can? How?

    There are stone plates near the barrier on the outside.

    Those can be used only to read the verses you have already unlocked. So, they are useless as far as achievement goes.

    No, they aren't useless... whilst doing the achievement, just focus on movement, combat, etc. Once you've finished them all you can read all verses outside, anytime, without minding a timer or annoying screechers... that is the point...

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Perisemiotics.4579 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Miellyn.6847 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Drecien.4508 said:
    Here's a shocker, tou can read all the scrolls from outside when its closed. #shook

    You can? How?

    There are stone plates near the barrier on the outside.

    Those can be used only to read the verses you have already unlocked. So, they are useless as far as achievement goes.

    No, they aren't useless... whilst doing the achievement, just focus on movement, combat, etc. Once you've finished them all you can read all verses outside, anytime, without minding a timer or annoying screechers... that is the point...

    I didn't say they were useless. I said they were useless as far as achievement goes. If you just want to read the verses, there's always the wiki.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • @Astralporing.1957 said:
    I didn't say they were useless. I said they were useless as far as achievement goes. If you just want to read the verses, there's always the wiki.

    They exist with the sole purpose of letting players who've completed the achievements access all verses at any time. Ergo, as far as achievement goes and especially regarding achievements, they're anything but.
    I don't just want to read texts but when I do I read them in-game, no need for Wiki at all.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Perisemiotics.4579 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:
    I didn't say they were useless. I said they were useless as far as achievement goes. If you just want to read the verses, there's always the wiki.

    They exist with the sole purpose of letting players who've completed the achievements access all verses at any time. Ergo, as far as achievement goes and especially regarding achievements, they're anything but.

    You've just said it: their usefulness only starts after doing the achievements. Up to that point they are useless.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • @Astralporing.1957 said:
    You've just said it: their usefulness only starts after doing the achievements. Up to that point they are useless.

    iirc you can read whichever verse you've unlocked so no, not even then are they "useless."

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Perisemiotics.4579 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:
    You've just said it: their usefulness only starts after doing the achievements. Up to that point they are useless.

    iirc you can read whichever verse you've unlocked

    Precisely. Only those you have already unlocked.

    so no, not even then are they "useless."

    If your purpose is to unlock the verses, the tablet is useless. It won't help you unlock even a single verse - and, before unlocking them, it doesn't even work.

    Like i said many times over.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

  • Myriada.7580Myriada.7580 Member ✭✭

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Zaklex.6308 said:
    I can see it being more annoying now than before, but since you're doing the Meta anyways

    Actually, when i was doing it, i wasn't doing meta, unless it happened to be very close to Augury Rock opening. The meta itself didn't interest me in the slightest.

    So you yourself don't chip into unlocking the area but at the same time want to make waiting times longer so people who are interested in doing the events won't come back to the map because it's just not worth it. Careful with what you wish for.

  • Astralporing.1957Astralporing.1957 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Myriada.7580 said:

    @Astralporing.1957 said:

    @Zaklex.6308 said:
    I can see it being more annoying now than before, but since you're doing the Meta anyways

    Actually, when i was doing it, i wasn't doing meta, unless it happened to be very close to Augury Rock opening. The meta itself didn't interest me in the slightest.

    So you yourself don't chip into unlocking the area but at the same time want to make waiting times longer so people who are interested in doing the events won't come back to the map because it's just not worth it.

    Not really. I just don't see why shorter waiting times for those wanting meta must necessarily mean longer downtimes for those interested in achievements. For me, thats a bad design. It would have been better if there was some other means of entering the Augury Rock and progressing the achievements, without being so dependant on the short times inbetween metas.

    The whole point of a social game is to play with the people you want to play with, not be forced to play with the people you don't.

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