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DoRi Silvia.4159DoRi Silvia.4159 Member ✭✭✭
edited August 11, 2019 in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Ah, the good old title god walking amongst mere mortals, it was literally what it meant
I played gw1 for years and years and years and if I remember correctly you had to have 5 maxed out titles to achieve the title and I think I had maxed 3. The tasks at hand to achieve max title was asking a hefty, unhealthy amount of time being spent on the game ... and I assure I played plenty unhealthy

I have been noticing quite alot of players with this epic title walking around town recently (compared to 5-6 years ago when I played gw2 and quit barely anyone had it) and it has got me wondering did anet lower the requirements for this title? Or is it just people have gone back and finished it off?

If nothing has changed then... hats off to y'all who have achieved it. But If it has changed or lowered I am quite interested to go back and do this

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  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I wonder if the steam sales encouraged people to take a look. I certainly did.

  • @Randulf.7614 said:
    Nothing has changed

    • there were always tons of people with it running around since launch. Certainly more than now when there were more gw1 vets. It is likely you just didn’t notice as much, but I can assure you it was extremely common.

    • titles aren’t particularly great 7 years on. Gwamn is an achievement and there isn’t much comparable in gw2, so seeing it is no surprise when people want to show off in a game which has very little to show an achievement for.

    Thanks for clarifying, and if that's the case then I certainly did not pay attention
    Titles are worth what you think they are worth and I guess gwamm was just something to show off that you are a gw1 vet.
    Kinda makes me wish I had tied my self down longer to finish it off when I was younger

  • @Metasynaptic.1093 said:
    Gwamm isn't 5 maxed titles, it's 30.

    5 is kind of a big deal.

    Ah yes, I meant maxed as in tiers sorry and I guess it was 6 not 5 as well

  • Silmar Alech.4305Silmar Alech.4305 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 11, 2019

    @DoRi Silvia.4159 said:
    The tasks at hand to achieve max title was asking a hefty, unhealthy amount of time being spent on the game ... and I assure I played plenty unhealthy

    Well, the tasks at hand were actually fun. I happily made about 5 GWAMMs over 2 GW1 accounts. An unhealthy amount of time? Not that much. It was entertaining, especially vanquishing, and it simply included playing the game very thoroughly.

    If I compare this to GW2 with its achievement system, I only see grind and repetitive play in GW2. Much less fun, if at all. I quit GW2 for that a year ago. In contrast to that, I start GW1 from time to time to see it again, and I have to hold myself back from just finishing another GWAMM. I played GW1 about as long as GW2 (both about 5 years). I stopped playing GW1 with good feelings because I've seen it all, and I stopped playing GW2 with bad feelings because I was exhausted.

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  • @DoRi Silvia.4159 said:
    The tasks at hand to achieve max title was asking a hefty, unhealthy amount of time being spent on the game ... and I assure I played plenty unhealthy

    I dunno. If you work a bit at each one, as time permits, without letting the skritt-side of your brain distract you (and yes, SHINIES are tempting us everywhere), it doesn't necessarily require more time than anything else. Just dedication and focus.

    I have been noticing quite alot of players with this epic title walking around town recently (compared to 5-6 years ago when I played gw2 and quit barely anyone had it)

    I have no idea what that means. How many people did you count 5 years ago with the title? How many people did you count with other titles? How many did you count last week? What about last month?

    Confirmation bias affects our perceptions significantly. We tend to see what's on our mind, sometimes. If you ran into 3 GWaMM holders last week, you're likely to think, "interesting, that seems like a lot" and then start watching for them, without remembering that you used to see 1-2 every week before that... because, who remembers 1-2 of anything?

    and it has got me wondering did anet lower the requirements for this title? Or is it just people have gone back and finished it off?

    Ignoring confirmation bias, ANet hasn't made any recent changes.

    However, there are thing that they changed ages ago and there are things that have changed for GW2 that would make it somewhat more likely to see more GWaMM:

    • A lot of titles are individually easier to obtain, via various bonus events and "consume all" sorts of changes. The drunk title, for example, was made far, far easier some time ago.
    • There's a lot of recent nostalgia for GW1, due to call backs in GW2 stories.
    • ANet recently made the game available in a bundle for a discount compared to retail stores.
    • Some veterans feeling a content dearth have gone back (or started) GW1, whether to remind themselves of the story or for nostalgia, or just something to do.

    I am quite interested to go back and do this

    Do it. Focus on just one or two more titles at a time. You'll make progress, even if you don't necessarily finish this week or this month or even this year.

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  • Now imagine this GW1 was young only had one campaign no expansion and people got 30 maxed titles. Now the game has three campaigns and an expansion way easier to get 30+ maxed titles. They also called title hunters NO LIFERS. But if people would do titles together it wouldn't be bad lol

  • Vayne.8563Vayne.8563 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There have been a couple of changes since the old days, mostly on three achievements. The drinking title is much easier to get because you don't have to time your drinks. The Defender of Ascalon Title is easier to get because you don't have to death level, you can just do dailies in pre until you get it, and the survivor title is a bit easier to get because you only have to get X amount of experience in a row without dying. You can still get it if you die, you just have to start counting experience over. You don't have to remake and level the character over.

  • Just a flesh wound.3589Just a flesh wound.3589 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2019

    One way to get the survivor title is to finish a bunch of [Storybooks] (which you fill up by doing Missions and Dungeons) then turning them all in at once (going to each NPC that takes them). Each Storybook is worth a fair amount of XP. You can repeat Missions or Dungeons to fill up enough books to get all the XP you need for the title.

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  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2019

    @Metasynaptic.1093 said:
    Gwamm isn't 5 maxed titles, it's 30.

    5 is kind of a big deal.

    dont you need 40 max titles for gw1's GWAMM to be carried over to GW2?

    would love to have the time to go back to grind them out, checking my HoM I only got 13, but still got so much things to do in GW2

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  • I had about 30 or 31, and 50/50 Hall before GW2 released

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 13, 2019

    @crepuscular.9047 said:

    @Metasynaptic.1093 said:
    Gwamm isn't 5 maxed titles, it's 30.

    5 is kind of a big deal.

    dont you need 40 max titles for gw1's GWAMM to be carried over to GW2?

    would love to have the time to go back to grind them out, checking my HoM I only got 13, but still got so much things to do in GW2

    You need 40 titles to max the HOM for that part. GWAMM requires 30 titles to be maxed.

  • Not all 'honor' statues need to be maxed out to count.

  • Silmar Alech.4305Silmar Alech.4305 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 14, 2019

    The Hall of Monuments is independent of the GWAMM title. You can have GWAMM without any of the monuments even started. Although you need the Eye of the North expansion where the HOM is located, otherwise you don't have enough titles available for GWAMM.
    In addition to that, for GWAMM only maxed titles count. But for filling the HOM, it is enough for some titles to reach some lower rank in between to be able to put them on the honor monument. There are also some achievements you can put onto the honor monument but never count for GWAMM, for example all of the one-shot achievements without ingame title for beating sorrows's funace, underworld etc. Many people going for the honor monument are ignoring these, although these are the most quickest, obtainable in 1 or 2 evenings only, while most of the others are weeks and months of gameplay.

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  • The GW franchise has a good amount of very loyal players who will never go away and always stay. Those are the people with GWAMM. Between living world releases, the population always drops, but these people stick around. Due to dynamic maps, the world still seems populated, but the amount of people with GWAMM will have gone up.

  • Goettel.4389Goettel.4389 Member ✭✭✭✭

    TD;DR thread, kitten is "GWAMM"?

  • Yargesh.4965Yargesh.4965 Member ✭✭✭

    @Goettel.4389 said:
    TD;DR thread, kitten is "GWAMM"?

    God Walking Among Mer Mortals

  • Goettel.4389Goettel.4389 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Yargesh.4965 said:

    @Goettel.4389 said:
    TD;DR thread, kitten is "GWAMM"?

    God Walking Among Mer Mortals

    Thanks, meh.

  • maddoctor.2738maddoctor.2738 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 15, 2019

    @Goettel.4389 said:
    TD;DR thread, kitten is "GWAMM"?

    God Walking Among Mere Mortals is a title you can get in GW1 after completing some tasks that require an insane amount of boring grind. You can pass that title to GW2, if you link your two accounts.

  • Goettel.4389Goettel.4389 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @Goettel.4389 said:
    TD;DR thread, kitten is "GWAMM"?

    God Walking Among Mere Mortals is a title you can get in GW1 after completing some tasks that require an insane amount of boring grind. You can pass that title to GW2, if you link your two accounts.

    Thanks, not too bothered by titles TBH. But I get the lowered bar might/will turn people off.

  • Luthan.5236Luthan.5236 Member ✭✭✭

    I have noticed the more players with these title as well. Now I bought GW1 complete edition and added it to my very old account which I made at release of GW1. (It had only 1 char and about 20 hours played and I stopped early in prophecy campaign because always gotten killed in some mission. And henchmen not too helpful.)

    Having about 40 hours or so on my "new first char" and going for pre-searing level 20 first title there. Tons of deaths ... but doesn't matter. I'm glad there is no stupid mechanics like having to restart the whole char (delete and restart) and to get survivor. (There seem to be "storybooks" to make it easy - just a grind without risk instead of grind with more risk.)

    Now I think the sales on GW1 (advertised on web page and launcher of GW2) and guides to these titles ... can explain the more people with GWAMM. I for myself probably go for lore reasons for 3 chars - each one playing the normal campaigns (in order they got released, then EotN). Then for 30/50 in Hall of Monuments (for the main rewards), then for 50/50 (other titles and achievement points) and GWAMM lowest priority.

    Will take some work but I don't play every day and not in an overly grindy way (I'd start to hate the game then). For example only doing daily quests for exp in pre-searing atm. Not manually grinding mobs.

    Since I get the first char directly to level 20 and main first campaign (prophecies) is considered worst or less entertaining (so I have hard - especially at beginning) I guess I'll have an easier time finishing it first and having a level 20 char when the real campaign actually starts. (Not those troubles I had back then ages ago when I tried GW1 at release.)

    From what I have seen maxim HoM is easier than GWAMM cause it gets "statues" which are also from other sources than titles. (And not all titles need to be maxed.) And some titles are very grindy (the one with luck and bad luck while opening chests or so?) but with getting Defender of Ascalon only a few should be very annoying to grind. And some can be "bought" (buying items to use for festival, sweet tooth and drinker title) - but I guess will require communication with other players. (No trade post.)

    Referring to this guide: https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Kind_of_a_Big_Deal#Guide_to_maxing_titles
    Where they list 30 easy titles - not even counting Defender of Ascalon (where you can omit the one that seems grindiest if you get Defender of Ascalon). I'll exactly do that ... probably not going for party animal. (According to the guide of the 30 they mention it seems the items are harder to obtain/grind. Probably more expensive when trying to buy from others.)


    But yeah: Still sales on GW1 + guides to maxing titles and players playing it for lore/story and while they are at it going for titles ... might etxplain more GWAMM in GW2.

  • Please don't do the Defender of Ascalon if you just got GW1. It's the stupidest (sorry) title in whole GW1 and probably only something for someone who plays GW1 as his only game, did all in GW1 that exists and is really, really totally bored. Honestly, I made 50 points in the HOM and 46 titles on display in the Hall of Monuments where only 40 are required for full points, but I never bothered to even start that title. It's in no way a requirement for anything. On the other hand, party animal is much more easy to obtain. There is still something like trading in Kamadan. Why don't you just start out of the tutorial and play GW1 as it is meant to play? It's really fun this way. You always have the choice to create a new character some time in the future and do the title later.

    By the way, in case you or anyone else needs or wants some minipets for the Hall of Monuments, just ask - so many of them accumulated in the past years, I would be glad to give them away (for free of course).

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  • aspirine.6852aspirine.6852 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @maddoctor.2738 said:

    @Goettel.4389 said:
    TD;DR thread, kitten is "GWAMM"?

    God Walking Among Mere Mortals is a title you can get in GW1 after completing some tasks that require an insane amount of boring grind. You can pass that title to GW2, if you link your two accounts.

    If you loved GW1 like I did it was no grind at all. I would have had 2 x GWAMM if that was possible that is how much I liked that game :)

  • Luthan.5236Luthan.5236 Member ✭✭✭
    edited August 16, 2019

    Ha ha ... regarding the Defender of Ascalon: I guess it would be a waste not to do the last level ... now that I'm level 19 and about 9.8k experienc only left to level 20 - and having green (charr) bags and equipment pack for 50 iris flowers. Will probably take me less than 10 days since I get still a bit experience from killing in the quests besides the 1k per daily. :D I'll think about pets and stuff much later. Once level 20 first going slowly (without worrying too much about HoM/titles) through the campaign trying to exerience the lore/story a bit.

    But thanks for the offer on pets and the advice about Kamadan and trading.

    Edit: I also was a bit stupid ... using monk as main class. Ele as secondary which was not too bad - for more damage as monk. But survivability (I guess because of weak armor as monk) is bad in pre-searing ... especially as a player not experienced to the different combat (no fighting, gets boring I get tired and less concentration). I guess with henchman and adding some other classes to the party monk might be more enjoyable then.

  • Dami.5046Dami.5046 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 16, 2019

    I was on my 3rd God walking, got my Hall maxed, waited till GW2.
    Still consider it to be a better achievement than anything I did in GW2 and my main proudly displays that fact.
    I was lucky enough to have an insane Guild that cheered me on.
    Loved the fact it came up you had the title in game and people would congratulate you.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Silmar Alech.4305 said:
    Please don't do the Defender of Ascalon if you just got GW1. It's the stupidest (sorry) title in whole GW1 and probably only something for someone who plays GW1 as his only game, did all in GW1 that exists and is really, really totally bored. Honestly, I made 50 points in the HOM and 46 titles on display in the Hall of Monuments where only 40 are required for full points, but I never bothered to even start that title. It's in no way a requirement for anything. On the other hand, party animal is much more easy to obtain. There is still something like trading in Kamadan. Why don't you just start out of the tutorial and play GW1 as it is meant to play? It's really fun this way. You always have the choice to create a new character some time in the future and do the title later.

    By the way, in case you or anyone else needs or wants some minipets for the Hall of Monuments, just ask - so many of them accumulated in the past years, I would be glad to give them away (for free of course).

    Defender of Ascalon is very easy to get by just doing the dailies or simply grinding it. Unfortunately the only way to get it is to have the character you’re playing start in Prophecies and then get it before you leave.

  • Going as monk is not the worst choice for GW1 in general, since monk is one of the essential classes. This depends on the company, though. Playing a healing monk in a group of fellow human friends is terrific. Playing solo with henchmen or heroes, monk is not the best choice, since as healing monk you generally don't attack and will not call enemies, while your henchmen are not the best in choosing their enemies on their own. And as smiting monk you attack and call enemies, but smiting monk isn't the best damage output.
    For solo play, an offensive class is more fun - in my humble opinion only, of course. My personal favorites are necromancer (best AoE damage dealer of all classes with curses - mass destruction), ritualist (carries his own blocking walls and army as spirit spammer) and mesmer (interrupting and shutting down enemies is real fun in GW1 and not rivaled by GW2).

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  • Dami.5046Dami.5046 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Did you even play Gw if you didn't have a perma pre dye farmer at lvl20?
    C'mon.

  • Konig Des Todes.2086Konig Des Todes.2086 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited August 16, 2019

    @DoRi Silvia.4159 said:
    I have been noticing quite alot of players with this epic title walking around town recently (compared to 5-6 years ago when I played gw2 and quit barely anyone had it) and it has got me wondering did anet lower the requirements for this title? Or is it just people have gone back and finished it off?

    If nothing has changed then... hats off to y'all who have achieved it. But If it has changed or lowered I am quite interested to go back and do this

    The closest things to changes would be Mercenary Heroes and 7 Hero teams that happened in... 2011 was it? After GW2 launched GW1 went into true maintenance mode with no changes until last year, but that was just graphics and then inventory improvements and minor bug fixes. There was some bug fixes on a few skills for hero behavior of using them, but some consider that a nerf more than a buff.

    So overall, nothing changed except people have had 5-6 years to get them done.

    @Randulf.7614 said:

    • titles aren’t particularly great 7 years on. Gwamn is an achievement and there isn’t much comparable in gw2, so seeing it is no surprise when people want to show off in a game which has very little to show an achievement for.

    Technically GW2 does have a comparable title set. You get a title for every 5k achievement points you get; each one ends with "Achiever". So showing off the 30k or 35k AP title (Wondrous Achiever and Exalted Achiever) is at the moment the closest obtainable equivalent to God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals.

    Sadly, it doesn't have the same oomph as GWAMM does. Not even the 10k one (Acclaimed Achiever) feels comparable to Kind of a Big Deal or People Know Me.

    Part of the lackluster feeling to titles in GW2 kind of feels like there's just so many achievements compared to GW1, thus there's such a heavily bloated amount of titles that just leave a lot of people going "what's that from?" People loved titles in GW1, and loved title hunting, and I think that's why ArenaNet added so many from Season 1 onward (there weren't many at launch, most came from connecting accounts to GW1 or PvP), but it just got so bloated that no one recognizes or cares nearly as much.

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  • @Konig Des Todes.2086 said:
    Technically GW2 does have a comparable title set. You get a title for every 5k achievement points you get; each one ends with "Achiever". So showing off the 30k or 35k AP title (Wondrous Achiever and Exalted Achiever) is at the moment the closest obtainable equivalent to God Walking Amongst Mere Mortals.

    Sadly, it doesn't have the same oomph as GWAMM does. Not even the 10k one (Acclaimed Achiever) feels comparable to Kind of a Big Deal or People Know Me.

    Part of the lackluster feeling to titles in GW2 kind of feels like there's just so many achievements compared to GW1, thus there's such a heavily bloated amount of titles that just leave a lot of people going "what's that from?" People loved titles in GW1, and loved title hunting, and I think that's why ArenaNet added so many from Season 1 onward (there weren't many at launch, most came from connecting accounts to GW1 or PvP), but it just got so bloated that no one recognizes or cares nearly as much.

    I feel like Wondrous Achiever is on par for the amount of work put into GWAMM, but since it's just another "Achiever" title hardly anyone knows what it is. I have the thing and even I forget which one is my highest one from time to time. Since titles are largely unrecognizable, I opted to wear full hellfire armor since you get that at the same time and most players have some idea of it. That's one nice thing with titles in this game, a lot of the high tier ones come with something else: Envoy's Herald has 3 sets of raid armor, PvP titles have their corresponding finisher, etc.

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