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  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Landahar.5196 said:
    As a necromancer player ( 30k HP with Carrion Amulet), elementalist can kill me in 1 second.
    Some mesmer build can does it too. Do you think game is balanced?
    My opinion, if ANY character dies in less then 3 second is a proof of unbalanced game

    You are 6 years too late to complain about ele...it has been nerfed to irrelevance with only couple of poor man gimmicks left...nerfing those will change absolutely nothing as the class is dead already and should be deleted

    Seriously? U sound like mirage players saying their class has been nerfed to uselessness. Weaver is definitely overperforming on some builds just like the rest of the classes are. Stop pretending their weak cuz their obviously far from it.

    Actually no, we have FULL right to say this because our damage has been based one ONE TO TWO traits at most. Fireweaver is only relevant because of Sunspot. Fresh Air ele, and Weaver are being held up only becaue of well, Fresh Air.

    You tell me what we have left if you hit fresh air and Sunspot. Go ahead. If you say tempest, I'll laugh, because Six out of the Nine classes checks auramancer tempest with their power builds.

    All I kno is I've seen many weavers in last few month doing crazy condi burst with equal crazy sustain. No class should be capable of both no matter how much ele's try to pretend the class is still the same as it was in 2017-18. I definitely is not

    The problem with fire weaver is they have very easy burning burst combos that have minimal telegraphs, on top of very good sustain with healing, cleansing and evades. The only thing keeping them from being more op is their low mobility. Sunspot can add a lot to their burst with the burning rage trait, but they still have a lot of damage and fire aura uptime without it.

    Low mobility? I always did decent with d4 on elect, sword 2 tele, the teleport utility etc as well as swiftness on element switch which could be basically perma swiftness. They seemed to have above avg mobility to as well but again that's my opinion and I'm not a great ele player so lol

  • Curennos.9307Curennos.9307 Member ✭✭✭

    @Mechanix.9315 said:
    lol i saw grim on stream doing something like that

    https://clips.twitch.tv/CulturedCautiousChamoisPogChamp

    That's nice but good god, but kind of build is that necro running? I didn't see a single cleanse or dodge in there. I think they're also running blood magic AND death magic? The heck?

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Curennos.9307 said:

    @Mechanix.9315 said:
    lol i saw grim on stream doing something like that

    https://clips.twitch.tv/CulturedCautiousChamoisPogChamp

    That's nice but good god, but kind of build is that necro running? I didn't see a single cleanse or dodge in there. I think they're also running blood magic AND death magic? The heck?

    "Let me just stand in that pyro vortex and see what happens... kitten? TOO MUCH BURNING OPOP!!!" :wink:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Landahar.5196 said:
    As a necromancer player ( 30k HP with Carrion Amulet), elementalist can kill me in 1 second.
    Some mesmer build can does it too. Do you think game is balanced?
    My opinion, if ANY character dies in less then 3 second is a proof of unbalanced game

    You are 6 years too late to complain about ele...it has been nerfed to irrelevance with only couple of poor man gimmicks left...nerfing those will change absolutely nothing as the class is dead already and should be deleted

    Seriously? U sound like mirage players saying their class has been nerfed to uselessness. Weaver is definitely overperforming on some builds just like the rest of the classes are. Stop pretending their weak cuz their obviously far from it.

    Actually no, we have FULL right to say this because our damage has been based one ONE TO TWO traits at most. Fireweaver is only relevant because of Sunspot. Fresh Air ele, and Weaver are being held up only becaue of well, Fresh Air.

    You tell me what we have left if you hit fresh air and Sunspot. Go ahead. If you say tempest, I'll laugh, because Six out of the Nine classes checks auramancer tempest with their power builds.

    All I kno is I've seen many weavers in last few month doing crazy condi burst with equal crazy sustain. No class should be capable of both no matter how much ele's try to pretend the class is still the same as it was in 2017-18. I definitely is not

    The problem with fire weaver is they have very easy burning burst combos that have minimal telegraphs, on top of very good sustain with healing, cleansing and evades. The only thing keeping them from being more op is their low mobility. Sunspot can add a lot to their burst with the burning rage trait, but they still have a lot of damage and fire aura uptime without it.

    Low mobility? I always did decent with d4 on elect, sword 2 tele, the teleport utility etc as well as swiftness on element switch which could be basically perma swiftness. They seemed to have above avg mobility to as well but again that's my opinion and I'm not a great ele player so lol

    Fire weaver does not use dagger offhand and Lightning flash. It also uses air much less often in fights, so it cannot build up as much swiftness which is then only usable for unpressured movement between points - and rarely for escaping, because you will have to switch to other attunements (most often). Fire weaver is slow, as long as you don't change the build/runes to more mobility and away from fighting capabilities.

  • Sigmoid.7082Sigmoid.7082 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Mechanix.9315 said:
    lol i saw grim on stream doing something like that

    https://clips.twitch.tv/CulturedCautiousChamoisPogChamp

    Death by Unholy Martyr

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 4, 2019

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Landahar.5196 said:
    As a necromancer player ( 30k HP with Carrion Amulet), elementalist can kill me in 1 second.
    Some mesmer build can does it too. Do you think game is balanced?
    My opinion, if ANY character dies in less then 3 second is a proof of unbalanced game

    You are 6 years too late to complain about ele...it has been nerfed to irrelevance with only couple of poor man gimmicks left...nerfing those will change absolutely nothing as the class is dead already and should be deleted

    Seriously? U sound like mirage players saying their class has been nerfed to uselessness. Weaver is definitely overperforming on some builds just like the rest of the classes are. Stop pretending their weak cuz their obviously far from it.

    Actually no, we have FULL right to say this because our damage has been based one ONE TO TWO traits at most. Fireweaver is only relevant because of Sunspot. Fresh Air ele, and Weaver are being held up only becaue of well, Fresh Air.

    You tell me what we have left if you hit fresh air and Sunspot. Go ahead. If you say tempest, I'll laugh, because Six out of the Nine classes checks auramancer tempest with their power builds.

    All I kno is I've seen many weavers in last few month doing crazy condi burst with equal crazy sustain. No class should be capable of both no matter how much ele's try to pretend the class is still the same as it was in 2017-18. I definitely is not

    The problem with fire weaver is they have very easy burning burst combos that have minimal telegraphs, on top of very good sustain with healing, cleansing and evades. The only thing keeping them from being more op is their low mobility. Sunspot can add a lot to their burst with the burning rage trait, but they still have a lot of damage and fire aura uptime without it.

    Low mobility? I always did decent with d4 on elect, sword 2 tele, the teleport utility etc as well as swiftness on element switch which could be basically perma swiftness. They seemed to have above avg mobility to as well but again that's my opinion and I'm not a great ele player so lol

    You don't seem to be playing ele at all hence my crux with the GW2 community : You don't play the class you ask nerfs for...your knowledge is limited, @Cal Cohen.3527 specifically asked the community to look at things from the big picture point of view.

    The fire weaver build neither use the lightning flash or dagger offhand because they need all the blocks and invulnerability they can get their hands on given the powercreep......people come here asking for nerfs when they don't even what the hell they're up against.

    That's why the devs should not be taking the forum seriously, I multiclass, I spent hundreds/thousans of hours in 4 specific professions = ele -ranger -warrior and guardian while I have been duelling for **years all other classes and only against the best players of each whenever possible, I bothered to check Cd, builds used and all....here you don't even know what the ele in front of you is running

    -A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 4, 2019

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Landahar.5196 said:
    As a necromancer player ( 30k HP with Carrion Amulet), elementalist can kill me in 1 second.
    Some mesmer build can does it too. Do you think game is balanced?
    My opinion, if ANY character dies in less then 3 second is a proof of unbalanced game

    You are 6 years too late to complain about ele...it has been nerfed to irrelevance with only couple of poor man gimmicks left...nerfing those will change absolutely nothing as the class is dead already and should be deleted

    Seriously? U sound like mirage players saying their class has been nerfed to uselessness. Weaver is definitely overperforming on some builds just like the rest of the classes are. Stop pretending their weak cuz their obviously far from it.

    Actually no, we have FULL right to say this because our damage has been based one ONE TO TWO traits at most. Fireweaver is only relevant because of Sunspot. Fresh Air ele, and Weaver are being held up only becaue of well, Fresh Air.

    You tell me what we have left if you hit fresh air and Sunspot. Go ahead. If you say tempest, I'll laugh, because Six out of the Nine classes checks auramancer tempest with their power builds.

    All I kno is I've seen many weavers in last few month doing crazy condi burst with equal crazy sustain. No class should be capable of both no matter how much ele's try to pretend the class is still the same as it was in 2017-18. I definitely is not

    The problem with fire weaver is they have very easy burning burst combos that have minimal telegraphs, on top of very good sustain with healing, cleansing and evades. The only thing keeping them from being more op is their low mobility. Sunspot can add a lot to their burst with the burning rage trait, but they still have a lot of damage and fire aura uptime without it.

    Low mobility? I always did decent with d4 on elect, sword 2 tele, the teleport utility etc as well as swiftness on element switch which could be basically perma swiftness. They seemed to have above avg mobility to as well but again that's my opinion and I'm not a great ele player so lol

    You don't seem to be playing ele at all hence my crux with the GW2 community : You don't play the class you ask nerfs for...your knowledge is limited, @Cal Cohen.3527 specifically asked the community to look at things from the big picture point of view.

    The fire weaver build neither use the lightning flash or dagger offhand because they need all the blocks and invulnerability they can get their hands on given the powercreep......people come here asking for nerfs when they don't even what the hell they're up against.

    That's why the devs should not be taking the forum seriously, I multiclass, I spent hundreds/thousans of hours in 4 specific professions*** = ele -ranger -warrior and guardian while I have been duelling for **years all other classes and only against the best players of each whenever possible, I bothered to check Cd, builds used and all....here you don't even know what the ele in front of you is running

    I actually played weaver for a month strait and badically only weaver a few months back just as it got the fire buff and got pretty decent swapping attunments during the time and noticed right away I had good burst with fire and air and with menders good sustain with water. Just because I'm honest in saying I'm not a ele main doesn't mean I never played it for one and second of all I've played against many weavers that bursted well while taking two players to down in any amount of time that woulda take far to long for one player to do. See my crux of the community is players that main a class that has obvious op specs or builds that are so biased they act like their fine or underperforming while calling every other class OP. As of since last buff to fire weaver their no different.

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Landahar.5196 said:
    As a necromancer player ( 30k HP with Carrion Amulet), elementalist can kill me in 1 second.
    Some mesmer build can does it too. Do you think game is balanced?
    My opinion, if ANY character dies in less then 3 second is a proof of unbalanced game

    You are 6 years too late to complain about ele...it has been nerfed to irrelevance with only couple of poor man gimmicks left...nerfing those will change absolutely nothing as the class is dead already and should be deleted

    Seriously? U sound like mirage players saying their class has been nerfed to uselessness. Weaver is definitely overperforming on some builds just like the rest of the classes are. Stop pretending their weak cuz their obviously far from it.

    Actually no, we have FULL right to say this because our damage has been based one ONE TO TWO traits at most. Fireweaver is only relevant because of Sunspot. Fresh Air ele, and Weaver are being held up only becaue of well, Fresh Air.

    You tell me what we have left if you hit fresh air and Sunspot. Go ahead. If you say tempest, I'll laugh, because Six out of the Nine classes checks auramancer tempest with their power builds.

    All I kno is I've seen many weavers in last few month doing crazy condi burst with equal crazy sustain. No class should be capable of both no matter how much ele's try to pretend the class is still the same as it was in 2017-18. I definitely is not

    The problem with fire weaver is they have very easy burning burst combos that have minimal telegraphs, on top of very good sustain with healing, cleansing and evades. The only thing keeping them from being more op is their low mobility. Sunspot can add a lot to their burst with the burning rage trait, but they still have a lot of damage and fire aura uptime without it.

    Low mobility? I always did decent with d4 on elect, sword 2 tele, the teleport utility etc as well as swiftness on element switch which could be basically perma swiftness. They seemed to have above avg mobility to as well but again that's my opinion and I'm not a great ele player so lol

    You don't seem to be playing ele at all hence my crux with the GW2 community : You don't play the class you ask nerfs for...your knowledge is limited, @Cal Cohen.3527 specifically asked the community to look at things from the big picture point of view.

    The fire weaver build neither use the lightning flash or dagger offhand because they need all the blocks and invulnerability they can get their hands on given the powercreep......people come here asking for nerfs when they don't even what the hell they're up against.

    That's why the devs should not be taking the forum seriously, I multiclass, I spent hundreds/thousans of hours in 4 specific professions*** = ele -ranger -warrior and guardian while I have been duelling for **years all other classes and only against the best players of each whenever possible, I bothered to check Cd, builds used and all....here you don't even know what the ele in front of you is running

    I actually played weaver for a month strait and badically only weaver a few months back just as it got the fire buff and got pretty decent swapping attunments during the time and noticed right away I had good burst with fire and air and with menders good sustain with water. Just because I'm honest in saying I'm not a ele main doesn't mean I never played it for one and second of all I've played against many weavers that bursted well while taking two players to down in any amount of time that woulda take far to long for one player to do. See my crux of the community is players that main a class that has obvious op specs or builds that are so biased they act like their fine or underperforming while calling every other class OP. As of since last buff to fire weaver their no different.

    Again you have no idea of what you're up against....fire weavers don't have water traitline at all and neither they use mender...good grief and again here with the hyperboles :" saw one weaver taking out 2 players" AND??? A good player on any class can take out two noobs at once or do you need video proofs of every class winning outnumbered fights?

    -A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Landahar.5196 said:
    As a necromancer player ( 30k HP with Carrion Amulet), elementalist can kill me in 1 second.
    Some mesmer build can does it too. Do you think game is balanced?
    My opinion, if ANY character dies in less then 3 second is a proof of unbalanced game

    You are 6 years too late to complain about ele...it has been nerfed to irrelevance with only couple of poor man gimmicks left...nerfing those will change absolutely nothing as the class is dead already and should be deleted

    Seriously? U sound like mirage players saying their class has been nerfed to uselessness. Weaver is definitely overperforming on some builds just like the rest of the classes are. Stop pretending their weak cuz their obviously far from it.

    Actually no, we have FULL right to say this because our damage has been based one ONE TO TWO traits at most. Fireweaver is only relevant because of Sunspot. Fresh Air ele, and Weaver are being held up only becaue of well, Fresh Air.

    You tell me what we have left if you hit fresh air and Sunspot. Go ahead. If you say tempest, I'll laugh, because Six out of the Nine classes checks auramancer tempest with their power builds.

    All I kno is I've seen many weavers in last few month doing crazy condi burst with equal crazy sustain. No class should be capable of both no matter how much ele's try to pretend the class is still the same as it was in 2017-18. I definitely is not

    The problem with fire weaver is they have very easy burning burst combos that have minimal telegraphs, on top of very good sustain with healing, cleansing and evades. The only thing keeping them from being more op is their low mobility. Sunspot can add a lot to their burst with the burning rage trait, but they still have a lot of damage and fire aura uptime without it.

    Low mobility? I always did decent with d4 on elect, sword 2 tele, the teleport utility etc as well as swiftness on element switch which could be basically perma swiftness. They seemed to have above avg mobility to as well but again that's my opinion and I'm not a great ele player so lol

    You don't seem to be playing ele at all hence my crux with the GW2 community : You don't play the class you ask nerfs for...your knowledge is limited, @Cal Cohen.3527 specifically asked the community to look at things from the big picture point of view.

    The fire weaver build neither use the lightning flash or dagger offhand because they need all the blocks and invulnerability they can get their hands on given the powercreep......people come here asking for nerfs when they don't even what the hell they're up against.

    That's why the devs should not be taking the forum seriously, I multiclass, I spent hundreds/thousans of hours in 4 specific professions*** = ele -ranger -warrior and guardian while I have been duelling for **years all other classes and only against the best players of each whenever possible, I bothered to check Cd, builds used and all....here you don't even know what the ele in front of you is running

    I actually played weaver for a month strait and badically only weaver a few months back just as it got the fire buff and got pretty decent swapping attunments during the time and noticed right away I had good burst with fire and air and with menders good sustain with water. Just because I'm honest in saying I'm not a ele main doesn't mean I never played it for one and second of all I've played against many weavers that bursted well while taking two players to down in any amount of time that woulda take far to long for one player to do. See my crux of the community is players that main a class that has obvious op specs or builds that are so biased they act like their fine or underperforming while calling every other class OP. As of since last buff to fire weaver their no different.

    Again you have no idea of what you're up against....fire weavers don't have water traitline at all and neither they use mender...good grief and again here with the hyperboles :" saw one weaver taking out 2 players" AND??? A good player on any class can take out two noobs at once or do you need video proofs of every class winning outnumbered fights?

    I meant water attunment, yeah heals arent as good not trusted for but can still be very effective. Also did water traitline not get a slight dps buff in the line fee passes ago to not make it such a bid dps loss. In any case I didnt use water traitline often and the atunement still gave me good additional sustain

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Landahar.5196 said:
    As a necromancer player ( 30k HP with Carrion Amulet), elementalist can kill me in 1 second.
    Some mesmer build can does it too. Do you think game is balanced?
    My opinion, if ANY character dies in less then 3 second is a proof of unbalanced game

    You are 6 years too late to complain about ele...it has been nerfed to irrelevance with only couple of poor man gimmicks left...nerfing those will change absolutely nothing as the class is dead already and should be deleted

    Seriously? U sound like mirage players saying their class has been nerfed to uselessness. Weaver is definitely overperforming on some builds just like the rest of the classes are. Stop pretending their weak cuz their obviously far from it.

    Actually no, we have FULL right to say this because our damage has been based one ONE TO TWO traits at most. Fireweaver is only relevant because of Sunspot. Fresh Air ele, and Weaver are being held up only becaue of well, Fresh Air.

    You tell me what we have left if you hit fresh air and Sunspot. Go ahead. If you say tempest, I'll laugh, because Six out of the Nine classes checks auramancer tempest with their power builds.

    All I kno is I've seen many weavers in last few month doing crazy condi burst with equal crazy sustain. No class should be capable of both no matter how much ele's try to pretend the class is still the same as it was in 2017-18. I definitely is not

    The problem with fire weaver is they have very easy burning burst combos that have minimal telegraphs, on top of very good sustain with healing, cleansing and evades. The only thing keeping them from being more op is their low mobility. Sunspot can add a lot to their burst with the burning rage trait, but they still have a lot of damage and fire aura uptime without it.

    Low mobility? I always did decent with d4 on elect, sword 2 tele, the teleport utility etc as well as swiftness on element switch which could be basically perma swiftness. They seemed to have above avg mobility to as well but again that's my opinion and I'm not a great ele player so lol

    You don't seem to be playing ele at all hence my crux with the GW2 community : You don't play the class you ask nerfs for...your knowledge is limited, @Cal Cohen.3527 specifically asked the community to look at things from the big picture point of view.

    The fire weaver build neither use the lightning flash or dagger offhand because they need all the blocks and invulnerability they can get their hands on given the powercreep......people come here asking for nerfs when they don't even what the hell they're up against.

    That's why the devs should not be taking the forum seriously, I multiclass, I spent hundreds/thousans of hours in 4 specific professions*** = ele -ranger -warrior and guardian while I have been duelling for **years all other classes and only against the best players of each whenever possible, I bothered to check Cd, builds used and all....here you don't even know what the ele in front of you is running

    I actually played weaver for a month strait and badically only weaver a few months back just as it got the fire buff and got pretty decent swapping attunments during the time and noticed right away I had good burst with fire and air and with menders good sustain with water. Just because I'm honest in saying I'm not a ele main doesn't mean I never played it for one and second of all I've played against many weavers that bursted well while taking two players to down in any amount of time that woulda take far to long for one player to do. See my crux of the community is players that main a class that has obvious op specs or builds that are so biased they act like their fine or underperforming while calling every other class OP. As of since last buff to fire weaver their no different.

    Again you have no idea of what you're up against....fire weavers don't have water traitline at all and neither they use mender...good grief and again here with the hyperboles :" saw one weaver taking out 2 players" AND??? A good player on any class can take out two noobs at once or do you need video proofs of every class winning outnumbered fights?

    I meant water attunment, yeah heals arent as good not trusted for but can still be very effective. Also did water traitline not get a slight dps buff in the line fee passes ago to not make it such a bid dps loss. In any case I didnt use water traitline often and the atunement still gave me good additional sustain

    The water attunement doesn't heal you unless you trait for it already said so...the fire weaver have limited condi removal for that reason alone, that's why it can be easily killed by any condi spec who knows how ele works

    -A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

  • @Master Ketsu.4569 said:
    The only problem with ele oneshot builds is that the main skills in it don't require target facing.

    No, they have to face you to hit you with that, unless you get hit by dragon's tooth which would be hilarious

  • @BruceLee.5092 said:
    This is true, and also this fresh air weaver is really hard to chase and kill, yet they can one shot you from farm range. Indeed need to be look at.

    I dont know if troll or not, but here goes

    if you play power specs you can kill it in one shot, you can't spam 1 and expect it to die straight away.. just time it lol, Same goes for condi really just won't be a one shot lol

  • Mechanix.9315Mechanix.9315 Member ✭✭✭

    @Sigmoid.7082 said:

    @Mechanix.9315 said:
    lol i saw grim on stream doing something like that

    https://clips.twitch.tv/CulturedCautiousChamoisPogChamp

    Death by Unholy Martyr

    Yes i loled

    Personally i dislike bursts based on condi but yea this is proof that people never dodge, cleanse, or mitigate dmg at all

    grim is a beast tho lol

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Landahar.5196 said:
    As a necromancer player ( 30k HP with Carrion Amulet), elementalist can kill me in 1 second.
    Some mesmer build can does it too. Do you think game is balanced?
    My opinion, if ANY character dies in less then 3 second is a proof of unbalanced game

    You are 6 years too late to complain about ele...it has been nerfed to irrelevance with only couple of poor man gimmicks left...nerfing those will change absolutely nothing as the class is dead already and should be deleted

    Seriously? U sound like mirage players saying their class has been nerfed to uselessness. Weaver is definitely overperforming on some builds just like the rest of the classes are. Stop pretending their weak cuz their obviously far from it.

    Actually no, we have FULL right to say this because our damage has been based one ONE TO TWO traits at most. Fireweaver is only relevant because of Sunspot. Fresh Air ele, and Weaver are being held up only becaue of well, Fresh Air.

    You tell me what we have left if you hit fresh air and Sunspot. Go ahead. If you say tempest, I'll laugh, because Six out of the Nine classes checks auramancer tempest with their power builds.

    All I kno is I've seen many weavers in last few month doing crazy condi burst with equal crazy sustain. No class should be capable of both no matter how much ele's try to pretend the class is still the same as it was in 2017-18. I definitely is not

    The problem with fire weaver is they have very easy burning burst combos that have minimal telegraphs, on top of very good sustain with healing, cleansing and evades. The only thing keeping them from being more op is their low mobility. Sunspot can add a lot to their burst with the burning rage trait, but they still have a lot of damage and fire aura uptime without it.

    Low mobility? I always did decent with d4 on elect, sword 2 tele, the teleport utility etc as well as swiftness on element switch which could be basically perma swiftness. They seemed to have above avg mobility to as well but again that's my opinion and I'm not a great ele player so lol

    You don't seem to be playing ele at all hence my crux with the GW2 community : You don't play the class you ask nerfs for...your knowledge is limited, @Cal Cohen.3527 specifically asked the community to look at things from the big picture point of view.

    The fire weaver build neither use the lightning flash or dagger offhand because they need all the blocks and invulnerability they can get their hands on given the powercreep......people come here asking for nerfs when they don't even what the hell they're up against.

    That's why the devs should not be taking the forum seriously, I multiclass, I spent hundreds/thousans of hours in 4 specific professions*** = ele -ranger -warrior and guardian while I have been duelling for **years all other classes and only against the best players of each whenever possible, I bothered to check Cd, builds used and all....here you don't even know what the ele in front of you is running

    I actually played weaver for a month strait and badically only weaver a few months back just as it got the fire buff and got pretty decent swapping attunments during the time and noticed right away I had good burst with fire and air and with menders good sustain with water. Just because I'm honest in saying I'm not a ele main doesn't mean I never played it for one and second of all I've played against many weavers that bursted well while taking two players to down in any amount of time that woulda take far to long for one player to do. See my crux of the community is players that main a class that has obvious op specs or builds that are so biased they act like their fine or underperforming while calling every other class OP. As of since last buff to fire weaver their no different.

    Again you have no idea of what you're up against....fire weavers don't have water traitline at all and neither they use mender...good grief and again here with the hyperboles :" saw one weaver taking out 2 players" AND??? A good player on any class can take out two noobs at once or do you need video proofs of every class winning outnumbered fights?

    I meant water attunment, yeah heals arent as good not trusted for but can still be very effective. Also did water traitline not get a slight dps buff in the line fee passes ago to not make it such a bid dps loss. In any case I didnt use water traitline often and the atunement still gave me good additional sustain

    The water attunement doesn't heal you unless you trait for it already said so...the fire weaver have limited condi removal for that reason alone, that's why it can be easily killed by any condi spec who knows how ele works

    Just a side note: Fire weaver has rather good cleanse. That is the main reason for focus offhand - fire aura and exploding fire aura, which cleanses 2 conditions every 8 seconds apart from the many cleanses for every fire aura they get, cleansing 1 condition. If dagger had fire aura, people would probably use dagger instead of focus.

    I kind of like the fact that you have to watch attunements for burst and defensive rotations. I guess that is what you mean by "knowing how ele works".

    Agree also on fire weaver and water based builds having very different issues to work on. And FA ele is a whole new topic.

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 4, 2019

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Landahar.5196 said:
    As a necromancer player ( 30k HP with Carrion Amulet), elementalist can kill me in 1 second.
    Some mesmer build can does it too. Do you think game is balanced?
    My opinion, if ANY character dies in less then 3 second is a proof of unbalanced game

    You are 6 years too late to complain about ele...it has been nerfed to irrelevance with only couple of poor man gimmicks left...nerfing those will change absolutely nothing as the class is dead already and should be deleted

    Seriously? U sound like mirage players saying their class has been nerfed to uselessness. Weaver is definitely overperforming on some builds just like the rest of the classes are. Stop pretending their weak cuz their obviously far from it.

    Actually no, we have FULL right to say this because our damage has been based one ONE TO TWO traits at most. Fireweaver is only relevant because of Sunspot. Fresh Air ele, and Weaver are being held up only becaue of well, Fresh Air.

    You tell me what we have left if you hit fresh air and Sunspot. Go ahead. If you say tempest, I'll laugh, because Six out of the Nine classes checks auramancer tempest with their power builds.

    All I kno is I've seen many weavers in last few month doing crazy condi burst with equal crazy sustain. No class should be capable of both no matter how much ele's try to pretend the class is still the same as it was in 2017-18. I definitely is not

    The problem with fire weaver is they have very easy burning burst combos that have minimal telegraphs, on top of very good sustain with healing, cleansing and evades. The only thing keeping them from being more op is their low mobility. Sunspot can add a lot to their burst with the burning rage trait, but they still have a lot of damage and fire aura uptime without it.

    Low mobility? I always did decent with d4 on elect, sword 2 tele, the teleport utility etc as well as swiftness on element switch which could be basically perma swiftness. They seemed to have above avg mobility to as well but again that's my opinion and I'm not a great ele player so lol

    You don't seem to be playing ele at all hence my crux with the GW2 community : You don't play the class you ask nerfs for...your knowledge is limited, @Cal Cohen.3527 specifically asked the community to look at things from the big picture point of view.

    The fire weaver build neither use the lightning flash or dagger offhand because they need all the blocks and invulnerability they can get their hands on given the powercreep......people come here asking for nerfs when they don't even what the hell they're up against.

    That's why the devs should not be taking the forum seriously, I multiclass, I spent hundreds/thousans of hours in 4 specific professions*** = ele -ranger -warrior and guardian while I have been duelling for **years all other classes and only against the best players of each whenever possible, I bothered to check Cd, builds used and all....here you don't even know what the ele in front of you is running

    I actually played weaver for a month strait and badically only weaver a few months back just as it got the fire buff and got pretty decent swapping attunments during the time and noticed right away I had good burst with fire and air and with menders good sustain with water. Just because I'm honest in saying I'm not a ele main doesn't mean I never played it for one and second of all I've played against many weavers that bursted well while taking two players to down in any amount of time that woulda take far to long for one player to do. See my crux of the community is players that main a class that has obvious op specs or builds that are so biased they act like their fine or underperforming while calling every other class OP. As of since last buff to fire weaver their no different.

    Again you have no idea of what you're up against....fire weavers don't have water traitline at all and neither they use mender...good grief and again here with the hyperboles :" saw one weaver taking out 2 players" AND??? A good player on any class can take out two noobs at once or do you need video proofs of every class winning outnumbered fights?

    I meant water attunment, yeah heals arent as good not trusted for but can still be very effective. Also did water traitline not get a slight dps buff in the line fee passes ago to not make it such a bid dps loss. In any case I didnt use water traitline often and the atunement still gave me good additional sustain

    The water attunement doesn't heal you unless you trait for it already said so...the fire weaver have limited condi removal for that reason alone, that's why it can be easily killed by any condi spec who knows how ele works

    Just a side note: Fire weaver has rather good cleanse. That is the main reason for focus offhand - fire aura and exploding fire aura, which cleanses 2 conditions every 8 seconds apart from the many cleanses for every fire aura they get, cleansing 1 condition. If dagger had fire aura, people would probably use dagger instead of focus.

    I kind of like the fact that you have to watch attunements for burst and defensive rotations. I guess that is what you mean by "knowing how ele works".

    Agree also on fire weaver and water based builds having very different issues to work on. And FA ele is a whole new topic.

    People are complaining about burning rage fire weavers I think

    -A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Landahar.5196 said:
    As a necromancer player ( 30k HP with Carrion Amulet), elementalist can kill me in 1 second.
    Some mesmer build can does it too. Do you think game is balanced?
    My opinion, if ANY character dies in less then 3 second is a proof of unbalanced game

    You are 6 years too late to complain about ele...it has been nerfed to irrelevance with only couple of poor man gimmicks left...nerfing those will change absolutely nothing as the class is dead already and should be deleted

    Seriously? U sound like mirage players saying their class has been nerfed to uselessness. Weaver is definitely overperforming on some builds just like the rest of the classes are. Stop pretending their weak cuz their obviously far from it.

    Actually no, we have FULL right to say this because our damage has been based one ONE TO TWO traits at most. Fireweaver is only relevant because of Sunspot. Fresh Air ele, and Weaver are being held up only becaue of well, Fresh Air.

    You tell me what we have left if you hit fresh air and Sunspot. Go ahead. If you say tempest, I'll laugh, because Six out of the Nine classes checks auramancer tempest with their power builds.

    All I kno is I've seen many weavers in last few month doing crazy condi burst with equal crazy sustain. No class should be capable of both no matter how much ele's try to pretend the class is still the same as it was in 2017-18. I definitely is not

    The problem with fire weaver is they have very easy burning burst combos that have minimal telegraphs, on top of very good sustain with healing, cleansing and evades. The only thing keeping them from being more op is their low mobility. Sunspot can add a lot to their burst with the burning rage trait, but they still have a lot of damage and fire aura uptime without it.

    Low mobility? I always did decent with d4 on elect, sword 2 tele, the teleport utility etc as well as swiftness on element switch which could be basically perma swiftness. They seemed to have above avg mobility to as well but again that's my opinion and I'm not a great ele player so lol

    You don't seem to be playing ele at all hence my crux with the GW2 community : You don't play the class you ask nerfs for...your knowledge is limited, @Cal Cohen.3527 specifically asked the community to look at things from the big picture point of view.

    The fire weaver build neither use the lightning flash or dagger offhand because they need all the blocks and invulnerability they can get their hands on given the powercreep......people come here asking for nerfs when they don't even what the hell they're up against.

    That's why the devs should not be taking the forum seriously, I multiclass, I spent hundreds/thousans of hours in 4 specific professions*** = ele -ranger -warrior and guardian while I have been duelling for **years all other classes and only against the best players of each whenever possible, I bothered to check Cd, builds used and all....here you don't even know what the ele in front of you is running

    I actually played weaver for a month strait and badically only weaver a few months back just as it got the fire buff and got pretty decent swapping attunments during the time and noticed right away I had good burst with fire and air and with menders good sustain with water. Just because I'm honest in saying I'm not a ele main doesn't mean I never played it for one and second of all I've played against many weavers that bursted well while taking two players to down in any amount of time that woulda take far to long for one player to do. See my crux of the community is players that main a class that has obvious op specs or builds that are so biased they act like their fine or underperforming while calling every other class OP. As of since last buff to fire weaver their no different.

    Again you have no idea of what you're up against....fire weavers don't have water traitline at all and neither they use mender...good grief and again here with the hyperboles :" saw one weaver taking out 2 players" AND??? A good player on any class can take out two noobs at once or do you need video proofs of every class winning outnumbered fights?

    I meant water attunment, yeah heals arent as good not trusted for but can still be very effective. Also did water traitline not get a slight dps buff in the line fee passes ago to not make it such a bid dps loss. In any case I didnt use water traitline often and the atunement still gave me good additional sustain

    The water attunement doesn't heal you unless you trait for it already said so...the fire weaver have limited condi removal for that reason alone, that's why it can be easily killed by any condi spec who knows how ele works

    Just a side note: Fire weaver has rather good cleanse. That is the main reason for focus offhand - fire aura and exploding fire aura, which cleanses 2 conditions every 8 seconds apart from the many cleanses for every fire aura they get, cleansing 1 condition. If dagger had fire aura, people would probably use dagger instead of focus.

    I kind of like the fact that you have to watch attunements for burst and defensive rotations. I guess that is what you mean by "knowing how ele works".

    Agree also on fire weaver and water based builds having very different issues to work on. And FA ele is a whole new topic.

    People are complaining about burning rage fire weavers I think

    Yaah, I think so too, but wasn't this thread about FA? I don't know... maybe it was staff zerker, I simply don't know... :trollface:

  • Arheundel.6451Arheundel.6451 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Megametzler.5729 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Landahar.5196 said:
    As a necromancer player ( 30k HP with Carrion Amulet), elementalist can kill me in 1 second.
    Some mesmer build can does it too. Do you think game is balanced?
    My opinion, if ANY character dies in less then 3 second is a proof of unbalanced game

    You are 6 years too late to complain about ele...it has been nerfed to irrelevance with only couple of poor man gimmicks left...nerfing those will change absolutely nothing as the class is dead already and should be deleted

    Seriously? U sound like mirage players saying their class has been nerfed to uselessness. Weaver is definitely overperforming on some builds just like the rest of the classes are. Stop pretending their weak cuz their obviously far from it.

    Actually no, we have FULL right to say this because our damage has been based one ONE TO TWO traits at most. Fireweaver is only relevant because of Sunspot. Fresh Air ele, and Weaver are being held up only becaue of well, Fresh Air.

    You tell me what we have left if you hit fresh air and Sunspot. Go ahead. If you say tempest, I'll laugh, because Six out of the Nine classes checks auramancer tempest with their power builds.

    All I kno is I've seen many weavers in last few month doing crazy condi burst with equal crazy sustain. No class should be capable of both no matter how much ele's try to pretend the class is still the same as it was in 2017-18. I definitely is not

    The problem with fire weaver is they have very easy burning burst combos that have minimal telegraphs, on top of very good sustain with healing, cleansing and evades. The only thing keeping them from being more op is their low mobility. Sunspot can add a lot to their burst with the burning rage trait, but they still have a lot of damage and fire aura uptime without it.

    Low mobility? I always did decent with d4 on elect, sword 2 tele, the teleport utility etc as well as swiftness on element switch which could be basically perma swiftness. They seemed to have above avg mobility to as well but again that's my opinion and I'm not a great ele player so lol

    You don't seem to be playing ele at all hence my crux with the GW2 community : You don't play the class you ask nerfs for...your knowledge is limited, @Cal Cohen.3527 specifically asked the community to look at things from the big picture point of view.

    The fire weaver build neither use the lightning flash or dagger offhand because they need all the blocks and invulnerability they can get their hands on given the powercreep......people come here asking for nerfs when they don't even what the hell they're up against.

    That's why the devs should not be taking the forum seriously, I multiclass, I spent hundreds/thousans of hours in 4 specific professions*** = ele -ranger -warrior and guardian while I have been duelling for **years all other classes and only against the best players of each whenever possible, I bothered to check Cd, builds used and all....here you don't even know what the ele in front of you is running

    I actually played weaver for a month strait and badically only weaver a few months back just as it got the fire buff and got pretty decent swapping attunments during the time and noticed right away I had good burst with fire and air and with menders good sustain with water. Just because I'm honest in saying I'm not a ele main doesn't mean I never played it for one and second of all I've played against many weavers that bursted well while taking two players to down in any amount of time that woulda take far to long for one player to do. See my crux of the community is players that main a class that has obvious op specs or builds that are so biased they act like their fine or underperforming while calling every other class OP. As of since last buff to fire weaver their no different.

    Again you have no idea of what you're up against....fire weavers don't have water traitline at all and neither they use mender...good grief and again here with the hyperboles :" saw one weaver taking out 2 players" AND??? A good player on any class can take out two noobs at once or do you need video proofs of every class winning outnumbered fights?

    I meant water attunment, yeah heals arent as good not trusted for but can still be very effective. Also did water traitline not get a slight dps buff in the line fee passes ago to not make it such a bid dps loss. In any case I didnt use water traitline often and the atunement still gave me good additional sustain

    The water attunement doesn't heal you unless you trait for it already said so...the fire weaver have limited condi removal for that reason alone, that's why it can be easily killed by any condi spec who knows how ele works

    Just a side note: Fire weaver has rather good cleanse. That is the main reason for focus offhand - fire aura and exploding fire aura, which cleanses 2 conditions every 8 seconds apart from the many cleanses for every fire aura they get, cleansing 1 condition. If dagger had fire aura, people would probably use dagger instead of focus.

    I kind of like the fact that you have to watch attunements for burst and defensive rotations. I guess that is what you mean by "knowing how ele works".

    Agree also on fire weaver and water based builds having very different issues to work on. And FA ele is a whole new topic.

    People are complaining about burning rage fire weavers I think

    Yaah, I think so too, but wasn't this thread about FA? I don't know... maybe it was staff zerker, I simply don't know... :trollface:

    It's a typical nerf thread full of disinformations and hyperboles..nothing new and nothing we won't see again, the scenario remains the same...people are not used to an ele with any resemblance of killing power so they will rush any ele they see in pvp expecting easy kill..only to die few secs after hugging a weaver for the whole duration of primordial stance . ..

    -A wise man once said- "Fight cheese with cheese or be cheesed in return, mind not those who will accuse you of being a cheese as they like cheese themselves"

  • While getting nuked by a scepter FA ele is annoying, it also gets erased if you sneeze on it, has to be within 900 range to nuke you, and cannot hide its presence or drop targets. Its about as risk reward as zerker thief with more telegraph in exchange for less nuke time.

    [Charr Noises]
    [Plays every class]
    [JUST GIT EVEN GUDDER ITS FINE]

  • Lilyanna.9361Lilyanna.9361 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Landahar.5196 said:
    As a necromancer player ( 30k HP with Carrion Amulet), elementalist can kill me in 1 second.
    Some mesmer build can does it too. Do you think game is balanced?
    My opinion, if ANY character dies in less then 3 second is a proof of unbalanced game

    You are 6 years too late to complain about ele...it has been nerfed to irrelevance with only couple of poor man gimmicks left...nerfing those will change absolutely nothing as the class is dead already and should be deleted

    Seriously? U sound like mirage players saying their class has been nerfed to uselessness. Weaver is definitely overperforming on some builds just like the rest of the classes are. Stop pretending their weak cuz their obviously far from it.

    Actually no, we have FULL right to say this because our damage has been based one ONE TO TWO traits at most. Fireweaver is only relevant because of Sunspot. Fresh Air ele, and Weaver are being held up only becaue of well, Fresh Air.

    You tell me what we have left if you hit fresh air and Sunspot. Go ahead. If you say tempest, I'll laugh, because Six out of the Nine classes checks auramancer tempest with their power builds.

    All I kno is I've seen many weavers in last few month doing crazy condi burst with equal crazy sustain. No class should be capable of both no matter how much ele's try to pretend the class is still the same as it was in 2017-18. I definitely is not

    The problem with fire weaver is they have very easy burning burst combos that have minimal telegraphs, on top of very good sustain with healing, cleansing and evades. The only thing keeping them from being more op is their low mobility. Sunspot can add a lot to their burst with the burning rage trait, but they still have a lot of damage and fire aura uptime without it.

    Low mobility? I always did decent with d4 on elect, sword 2 tele, the teleport utility etc as well as swiftness on element switch which could be basically perma swiftness. They seemed to have above avg mobility to as well but again that's my opinion and I'm not a great ele player so lol

    You don't seem to be playing ele at all hence my crux with the GW2 community : You don't play the class you ask nerfs for...your knowledge is limited, @Cal Cohen.3527 specifically asked the community to look at things from the big picture point of view.

    The fire weaver build neither use the lightning flash or dagger offhand because they need all the blocks and invulnerability they can get their hands on given the powercreep......people come here asking for nerfs when they don't even what the hell they're up against.

    That's why the devs should not be taking the forum seriously, I multiclass, I spent hundreds/thousans of hours in 4 specific professions*** = ele -ranger -warrior and guardian while I have been duelling for **years all other classes and only against the best players of each whenever possible, I bothered to check Cd, builds used and all....here you don't even know what the ele in front of you is running

    I actually played weaver for a month strait and badically only weaver a few months back just as it got the fire buff and got pretty decent swapping attunments during the time and noticed right away I had good burst with fire and air and with menders good sustain with water. Just because I'm honest in saying I'm not a ele main doesn't mean I never played it for one and second of all I've played against many weavers that bursted well while taking two players to down in any amount of time that woulda take far to long for one player to do. See my crux of the community is players that main a class that has obvious op specs or builds that are so biased they act like their fine or underperforming while calling every other class OP. As of since last buff to fire weaver their no different.

    You're done, you are talking like you know the class when you only played Weaver for a month. This is why people don't take the forums seriously. Dumb comments like this.

  • Widmo.3186Widmo.3186 Member ✭✭✭

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Paradoxoglanis.1904 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:

    @Psycoprophet.8107 said:

    @Arheundel.6451 said:

    @Landahar.5196 said:
    As a necromancer player ( 30k HP with Carrion Amulet), elementalist can kill me in 1 second.
    Some mesmer build can does it too. Do you think game is balanced?
    My opinion, if ANY character dies in less then 3 second is a proof of unbalanced game

    You are 6 years too late to complain about ele...it has been nerfed to irrelevance with only couple of poor man gimmicks left...nerfing those will change absolutely nothing as the class is dead already and should be deleted

    Seriously? U sound like mirage players saying their class has been nerfed to uselessness. Weaver is definitely overperforming on some builds just like the rest of the classes are. Stop pretending their weak cuz their obviously far from it.

    Actually no, we have FULL right to say this because our damage has been based one ONE TO TWO traits at most. Fireweaver is only relevant because of Sunspot. Fresh Air ele, and Weaver are being held up only becaue of well, Fresh Air.

    You tell me what we have left if you hit fresh air and Sunspot. Go ahead. If you say tempest, I'll laugh, because Six out of the Nine classes checks auramancer tempest with their power builds.

    All I kno is I've seen many weavers in last few month doing crazy condi burst with equal crazy sustain. No class should be capable of both no matter how much ele's try to pretend the class is still the same as it was in 2017-18. I definitely is not

    The problem with fire weaver is they have very easy burning burst combos that have minimal telegraphs, on top of very good sustain with healing, cleansing and evades. The only thing keeping them from being more op is their low mobility. Sunspot can add a lot to their burst with the burning rage trait, but they still have a lot of damage and fire aura uptime without it.

    Low mobility? I always did decent with d4 on elect, sword 2 tele, the teleport utility etc as well as swiftness on element switch which could be basically perma swiftness. They seemed to have above avg mobility to as well but again that's my opinion and I'm not a great ele player so lol

    You don't seem to be playing ele at all hence my crux with the GW2 community : You don't play the class you ask nerfs for...your knowledge is limited, @Cal Cohen.3527 specifically asked the community to look at things from the big picture point of view.

    The fire weaver build neither use the lightning flash or dagger offhand because they need all the blocks and invulnerability they can get their hands on given the powercreep......people come here asking for nerfs when they don't even what the hell they're up against.

    That's why the devs should not be taking the forum seriously, I multiclass, I spent hundreds/thousans of hours in 4 specific professions*** = ele -ranger -warrior and guardian while I have been duelling for **years all other classes and only against the best players of each whenever possible, I bothered to check Cd, builds used and all....here you don't even know what the ele in front of you is running

    I actually played weaver for a month strait and badically only weaver a few months back just as it got the fire buff and got pretty decent swapping attunments during the time and noticed right away I had good burst with fire and air and with menders good sustain with water. Just because I'm honest in saying I'm not a ele main doesn't mean I never played it for one and second of all I've played against many weavers that bursted well while taking two players to down in any amount of time that woulda take far to long for one player to do. See my crux of the community is players that main a class that has obvious op specs or builds that are so biased they act like their fine or underperforming while calling every other class OP. As of since last buff to fire weaver their no different.

    Half of your brain is talking about fireweaver while the other half about mender. None of them was used properly. Weaver is on the classes that needs more time than a month to learn all CDs perfectly, your limits and matchups. Meanwhile you played month and dunno whats the difference between trait ot attunement, not even talking about differences between fire and mender, except that one is condi and one is not. Cool story bob.

    Id suggest going back to warrior and face-rolling keyboard because this class is little too much for your mind possibilities.

    Dont mind me, I just randomly spam 35 skill-buttons

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭

    I always try to understand if some class so op, why people do not try also play that magic class ? Especially if necro say that someone is op ))

  • @lare.5129 said:
    I always try to understand if some class so op, why people do not try also play that magic class ? Especially if necro say that someone is op ))

    This is true, but people would rather stay on whatever class they want and when they get outplayed, it's easier for them to say it's because this class is OP rather than looking at themselves

  • Nerfing ele's is the worst thing they could do. Sure, there are great weavers out there, but it's not an easy build to get the hang of. Unlike some other classes. Just because some pro's are good with a class...doesn't mean the class is OP

  • Khalisto.5780Khalisto.5780 Member ✭✭✭

    The only ele build overperforming is fire weaver

    Fresh air and water weaver have clear tradeoffs

    One lacks survivability and the other dmg

    But if the game were more balanced one would have less dmg and the other less sustain

    I've been playing core fresh and the build is very well balanced, that's considering how I'd like the balancing to be
    All classes could have that level of power, I think the game in general would be healthier and more fun

  • reikken.4961reikken.4961 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 5, 2019

    @Lilyanna.9361 said:
    Fireweaver is only relevant because of Sunspot.

    Wait, people actually run the sunspot trait? weaver has approximately zero condi clear without taking smothering auras (or traiting water)

  • cgMatt.5162cgMatt.5162 Member ✭✭✭

    @reikken.4961 said:
    Wait, people actually run the sunspot trait? weaver has approximately zero condi clear without taking smothering auras (or traiting water)

    I mean it's a minor trait so you don't have a choice when you run the Fire traitline.

  • @JusticeRetroHunter.7684 said:
    The trick with FA in my experience is to just pay attention when they switch attunements to other than air. If you have sound on, they will say “water!” Or “Fire!” Or something along those lines. You know that once they hit you with something in these attunements they will almost always crit and will more than likely switch to air, and that’s where their burst comes from, and you can prepare for a defense in this manner

    Also if you have the ability to negate critical damage like on warrior, you can just pop balance stance and you’ll have a survival window. Chaining balance stances with blocks should give you enough time to think of a strategy.

    Also with FA, while playing on a necromancer, you want to have considerable range pressure because most FA ele’s will kite melle via super speed. Super speed makes them immune to chill and cripple, so having axe pressure will usually force them out of air to water Or earth. If they are taking too much damage they will either stay in these attunements even if their air attunement is off Cooldown, or they will switch to air simply to kite away or use their Blind on air 2.

    I don't think people have issues dueling FA ele.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭

    @Mini Crinny.6190 said:
    This is true, but people would rather stay on whatever class they want and when they get outplayed, it's easier for them to say it's because this class is OP rather than looking at themselves

    I think also is true that then try swap on 'op class' they don't get any profit and understanding that real problem not in class, but in 'hands' very non comfortable. More easy say "they a op, and it is not my issue"

  • reikken.4961reikken.4961 Member ✭✭✭
    edited November 6, 2019

    @cgMatt.5162 said:

    @reikken.4961 said:
    Wait, people actually run the sunspot trait? weaver has approximately zero condi clear without taking smothering auras (or traiting water)

    I mean it's a minor trait so you don't have a choice when you run the Fire traitline.

    no, no, I mean sunspot does basically nothing unless you take the trait Burning Rage. It just gives you a fire aura.

  • Megametzler.5729Megametzler.5729 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited November 7, 2019

    @reikken.4961 said:

    @cgMatt.5162 said:

    @reikken.4961 said:
    Wait, people actually run the sunspot trait? weaver has approximately zero condi clear without taking smothering auras (or traiting water)

    I mean it's a minor trait so you don't have a choice when you run the Fire traitline.

    no, no, I mean sunspot does basically nothing unless you take the trait Burning Rage. It just gives you a fire aura.

    I do not agree Sunspot being the one reason for Fire weaver's strength - but it is definitely part of it. This way you can get Fire aura every 4s and therefore basically permanent, together with Smothering auras the build has therefor pretty good condi clear. That trait also lets you transmute all those Sunspot auras due to the longer duration.

    Burning rage is clearly inferior in PVP.

  • Engal.6359Engal.6359 Member ✭✭✭

    Just dodge 4head

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