Naxos.2503 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I think there is a bit of misconception there... The spec doesn't do All the work itself. You're still supposed to mix and match existing core skills. Furthermore, yes it has a wonky AI, but the breakbar renders it immune to most traditional CC, making it more reliable in usage than typical pets. The fact it can also use it's skills concurrently to engineer's typical skills mean it should pair very well with engineers that use 1 or more kits. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanadrine.4352 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 I have to wait till beta to see how everything plays. They did say with this spec you have the option of playing as melee ranged or support. Sounds interesting I will reserve judgement till playing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gomes.5643 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 4 minutes ago, Random Wax Orc.7695 said: Unless Core Engineer gets a rework as well, I am not sure how Anet can get around messing up Engineer elites... because elites need tradeoffs, and Core Engineer was designed with excessive baked-in limitations leaving it with essentially nothing to trade off. Limited Weapons, No Weapon Swap, Too much eating up Utility Slots, etc. Toolbelt skills should have been retained and enhanced to have an additional mech skill... further diversifying mechs. Equip a kit and the mech gets a version of that kit? Well technically that tradeoff can be quite low ..... considering the tradeoff of the untamed is literally "we need you to choose if you like a 10% dmg or survivabillity penalty ..... which is already compensated with a 15% buff on the other thing .... so have fun with your new mechanics..... Ok to be honest the mech is a much cooler mechanic then the one of the untamed but still .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodama.6453 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Gomes.5643 said: Well technically that tradeoff can be quite low ..... considering the tradeoff of the untamed is literally "we need you to choose if you like a 10% dmg or survivabillity penalty ..... which is already compensated with a 15% buff on the other thing .... so have fun with your new mechanics..... Ok to be honest the mech is a much cooler mechanic then the one of the untamed but still .... Thematically it's cool. No one denies that. The problem is that the spec how it is presented most likely will never be taken by anyone who plays the game somewhat efficiently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKeostuKen.2738 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 We also get 24 second utility skills that's also lowered by our elite skill ontop of having access to alacrity. Theres 2 trait tooltips that I cant read through on the 2nd line but it looks like even more barrier support. Cant wait to find out what they say. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Artyport.2084 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 its clearly a fun pve spec thats pretty cool. luckily engineers have two other annoying specs for pvp and wvw and raids. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenakou.7853 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 The mech is super awesome and the gameplay looks fun. It's not viable in pvp lol. People will either burst the mech down and make you useless or they'll cc the sheet out of you which once again makes you useless. Mace doesn't really add anything new and the cool down is atrocious. The golem is essentially a pet and you want it out as much as possible so having 100s to wait for it return after death or dismissal is idiotic. Drop the cool down to 20 or 30 seconds. Bonus points if they revamp the toolkit and let engies get a mech toolkit if the mech is dismissed. Yeah it's more work creating another 5 skills, oh noes well that's what happens when you don't give it many tools from the start. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKeostuKen.2738 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Artyport.2084 said: its clearly a fun pve spec thats pretty cool. luckily engineers have two other annoying specs for pvp and wvw and raids. Call me crazy but I feel like it could work in WvW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cisii.8317 Posted October 22, 2021 Author Share Posted October 22, 2021 Pretty sure I saw 10s CD after dismissal? So it's not completely trash. They said the 100s CD on death is still work in progress. So obviously with this spec we are not going to be able to use certain utility skills such as turrets and we won't be able to use the important toolbelt skills like breakstuns and medkit heal. But we do have other breakstuns that we can use and other heals, the damage we lose from not having grenade barrage and the likes is no big deal in my opinion as the mech itself can deal big damage. Like I said, feels like a whole new class. We lose lots of stuff sure but we still have substitute skills. Looks very fun IMO, we'll see how long the mech can stay out without dying and then we'll really know if it's a bad spec or not. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephalem.8921 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Kaizoku.1298 said: Pretty sure I saw 10s CD after dismissal? So it's not completely trash. They said the 100s CD on death is still work in progress. So obviously with this spec we are not going to be able to use certain utility skills such as turrets and we won't be able to use the important toolbelt skills like breakstuns and medkit heal. But we do have other breakstuns that we can use and other heals, the damage we lose from not having grenade barrage and the likes is no big deal in my opinion as the mech itself can deal big damage. Like I said, feels like a whole new class. We lose lots of stuff sure but we still have substitute skills. Looks very fun IMO, we'll see how long the mech can stay out without dying and then we'll really know if it's a bad spec or not. How can the mech deal big dmg? No mods, boons including quickness, alac, fury because its a useless pet and they forgot a share trait. The only way to get boons on the golem is to steal them from group members or when solo. They made an entire spec for open world. The golem will stomp noobs in pvp resulting in useless numbers in higher tiers. It will be basically core engi with a mobile passive turret in instanced pve. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random Wax Orc.7695 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 39 minutes ago, Gomes.5643 said: Well technically that tradeoff can be quite low ..... Technically, yes. But Engineer functionality is all jammed into the same bits of the UI (bits that elites need to use), and other bits of the UI have been erased (like weapon swap). Core Engineer could have had weapon swap be a kit selector (maybe with the toolbelt built-in), and have a full allotment of utility skill slots for non-kits (leaving space for elite mechanics on the base UI). Core Engineer could be revisited and optimized, to not cripple elites in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mov.1246 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Engi main with around 6k hours here. I have mixed feelings about this: positive: - could do great dps as condi 4 kit engi with mech full condi. Or 4 kit condi engi with support mech could be a thing - open world and solo things could be pretty easy if mech is tanking everything - mech scales with player stats - damage numbers seem to be pretty good for mech negative: - no visual customization, I dont like the green mech nor the super high tech (again)... - clunky AI, we all saw it - loss of all regular toolbelt skills -> how does even med kit work then? - Mace skills seems weak - dont know how long mech will survive in big pve events or wvw. It could be easily be destroyed in aoe? And then leave us alone with 100 sec cooldown, and then we are basically core engis with 2 traitlines and no toolbelt left 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iKeostuKen.2738 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 14 minutes ago, mov.1246 said: Engi main with around 6k hours here. I have mixed feelings about this: - dont know how long mech will survive in big pve events or wvw. It could be easily be destroyed in aoe? And then leave us alone with 100 sec cooldown, and then we are basically core engis with 2 traitlines and no toolbelt left To address this last point. Build your mech for the content you will play. Also manage its positioning. Its not a activate and forget mechanic but one you have to pay attention to. If you or your pet are under harsh aoe pressure, shadowstep out or recall your pet to you. They are also looking at lowering its cd as 100 does seem a bit high even to them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dracomet.3648 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) By whole new class, you mean whole old class aka Ranger from GW2 2012 edition? 🤔 I think Bladesworn and Vindicator were more original (though case could be made about some cross reference yea yea). Most other classes feels copy pasted from some other class. i admit golem looks cool tho. Edited October 22, 2021 by Dracomet.3648 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borked.6824 Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 (edited) Those that have beef with this spec should remind themselves that Engi only needs some tweaks to get better and polished, and is reasonably worthy. Some of these professions are gonna be in abysmal places if their current specs go out as shown. Shout to Bladesworn, Catalyst, Willbender. Those guys don't need tweaks, they need complete overhauls. At least Mechanist has some coherence to it's class. Willbender is a ham-fisted Thief. Catalyst is plain garbage, and Bladesworn is what the Engi should have been. Edited October 22, 2021 by Borked.6824 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knighthonor.4061 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 3 hours ago, Aigleborgne.2981 said: I must admit it looks great but loosing toolbet skills kills it in the first place. Sure you can go for all mecha skills and be fine, but if you use any other skills, you will miss toolbet hard. Several skills are taken just for their toolbet. Not even mention tools traitline... I assume the golem can trigger tool traits passively or actively 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knighthonor.4061 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 2 hours ago, mov.1246 said: Engi main with around 6k hours here. I have mixed feelings about this: positive: - could do great dps as condi 4 kit engi with mech full condi. Or 4 kit condi engi with support mech could be a thing - open world and solo things could be pretty easy if mech is tanking everything - mech scales with player stats - damage numbers seem to be pretty good for mech negative: - no visual customization, I dont like the green mech nor the super high tech (again)... - clunky AI, we all saw it - loss of all regular toolbelt skills -> how does even med kit work then? - Mace skills seems weak - dont know how long mech will survive in big pve events or wvw. It could be easily be destroyed in aoe? And then leave us alone with 100 sec cooldown, and then we are basically core engis with 2 traitlines and no toolbelt left Remember when no mech out, signet skills trigger on the engineer. So likely trait passive still work out. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downstate.4697 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 Condi engi with kits seems the best choice for pvp. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaogin.2679 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 So I see a lot of people complaining about the 100 sec cooldown for the mech. Seriously though, this is an incredibly minor issue. That is simply to punish the afk player. Any real player will simply dismiss their mech and then bring it back 10 seconds later ready to fight again. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trungar.5031 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Shaogin.2679 said: So I see a lot of people complaining about the 100 sec cooldown for the mech. Seriously though, this is an incredibly minor issue. That is simply to punish the afk player. Any real player will simply dismiss their mech and then bring it back 10 seconds later ready to fight again. The ones complaining about the 100 sec cooldown. Seems have forgotten that it won't be 100 sec on eod release. After hearing something they didn't like about the preview off mechanist. They mentioned during the stream that they will balance it since 100 sec cooldown is long. Edited October 23, 2021 by Trungar.5031 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 (edited) Not really all that fussed about the loss of toolbelt skills. What I find tends to happen is that I'm taking a skill for EITHER the toolbelt ability OR it's skillbar abilities. Rarely do I find BOTH useful for the situation I'm in. It does happen, but it's not often enough to complain about. My biggest distaste is Mace ... It's pretty relegated to a Hybrid DPS model, much like Harbringer Pistol though with the right trait, your perma alacrity IIRC. Overall, it should be a pretty decent spec. Definitely meets the goal of having a different feel for the class. Edited October 23, 2021 by Obtena.7952 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzik.5873 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 4 hours ago, iKeostuKen.2738 said: Call me crazy but I feel like it could work in WvW. Full range power dps with aim-assit could be pretty fun. He got a freaking break bar!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zzik.5873 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 23 minutes ago, Obtena.7952 said: Not really all that fussed about the loss of toolbelt skills. What I find tends to happen is that I'm taking a skill for EITHER the toolbelt ability OR it's skillbar abilities. Rarely do I find BOTH useful for the situation I'm in. It does happen, but it's not often enough to complain about. My biggest distaste is Mace ... It's pretty relegated to a Hybrid DPS model, much like Harbringer Pistol though with the right trait, your perma alacrity IIRC. Overall, it should be a pretty decent spec. Definitely meets the goal of having a different feel for the class. I must agree with you on all points. Its gonne be really different, Im sure in pvp it can be fun in the good end, I did see a couple thing that could be kind of op. I find my real issue is the lack of condi clean and stability. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lynx.9058 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 I swear this is the most negative game community I've ever seen. Y'all could be served caviar on a gold platter and would turn your noses up at it. 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephalem.8921 Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 4 hours ago, iKeostuKen.2738 said: To address this last point. Build your mech for the content you will play. Also manage its positioning. Its not a activate and forget mechanic but one you have to pay attention to. If you or your pet are under harsh aoe pressure, shadowstep out or recall your pet to you. They are also looking at lowering its cd as 100 does seem a bit high even to them. Or just playing a decent spec instead that doesnt have rp limitations. without golem you are basically core engi with 2 traitlines. you have no real way to heal it in combat. i mean a way that doesnt reduce you to sub alac ren dps 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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