Sansar.1302 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 Why not use the Spvp ballance? , it seams way better 3 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt Mode.3780 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 And kill the game mode...? No thanks. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burial.1958 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 9 minutes ago, Salt Mode.3780 said: And kill the game mode...? No thanks. It is broken.... so it would not matter anyway :D. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 No. PvP and WvW are different and have very different dynamics and goals. Part of what the WvW balance is shoddy now is because they lumped the two together in Feb2020. 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caliboom.3218 Posted June 6, 2022 Share Posted June 6, 2022 I mean, everyone and their mother is using celestial/trailblazer's anyway, I wish there was some real diversity. 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telgum.6071 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Man imagine the tears if Anet removes Celestial in WvW like they did in sPvP (don't know why when it's perfectly balanced according to some people...). 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Telgum.6071 said: Man imagine the tears if Anet removes Celestial in WvW like they did in sPvP (don't know why when it's perfectly balanced according to some people...). It's balanced because the extremely limited us it has. Zerg builds don't use it. And only a few builds in roaming can use it and to be honest, most of them would be unkillable by most players anyway. 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberzombie.7348 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Unless I get reimbursed for every gear I crafted for WvW and can't use, hell no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, DanAlcedo.3281 said: It's balanced because the extremely limited us it has. in my humble opinion every profession, besides Warrior and Thief, have a Celestialbuild that greatly outperforms every other "noncelestial" Build for their respective profession. Warrior and Thief have Celebuilds aswell, but i think the powerversions just pack more punch. Cele Fireweaver, Celestial Boonbeast, Celestial Virtuoso, Celestial Firebrand, Cele Renegod, Cele Scrapper/Mechanist, Celestial Harbinger. All of the builds that i mentioned are significantly stronger than any other option available for their respective profession. IF we measure strength by them fighting eachother, aka. Cele X vs noncele X. And i think that this is just dumb and shows a underlying problem, which is, that Celestial has WAY to many raw stats. saying that Celestial has limited use and not many people can utilize it.... is just outright wrong. Nowadays even Powerbuilds like Freshairweaver are rocking Celestial trinkets. Every class besides Thief and warrior can use it with great success and they will be stronger than any combination of Zerker or marauder or even trailblazer will ever be. I am flippin rocking Cele and Antitoxin on basicly anything in roaming right now... if someone that is abusing Celestial everyday tells you that.... you can infact believe it. Cele is turning Roaming into a slugfest, and even if it doesnt affect Zerging... its still unhealthy for the mode as a whole. #shave 10% stats from Cele Edited June 7, 2022 by Sahne.6950 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GewRoo.4172 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 13 hours ago, Sansar.1302 said: Why not use the Spvp ballance? , it seams way better There is no universe in which this assumption is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 51 minutes ago, Sahne.6950 said: in my humble opinion every profession, besides Warrior and Thief, have a Celestialbuild that greatly outperforms every other "noncelestial" Build for their respective profession. Warrior and Thief have Celebuilds aswell, but i think the powerversions just pack more punch. Cele Fireweaver, Celestial Boonbeast, Celestial Virtuoso, Celestial Firebrand, Cele Renegod, Cele Scrapper/Mechanist, Celestial Harbinger. All of the builds that i mentioned are significantly stronger than any other option available for their respective profession. IF we measure strength by them fighting eachother, aka. Cele X vs noncele X. And i think that this is just dumb and shows a underlying problem, which is, that Celestial has WAY to many raw stats. saying that Celestial has limited use and not many people can utilize it.... is just outright wrong. Nowadays even Powerbuilds like Freshairweaver are rocking Celestial trinkets. Every class besides Thief and warrior can use it with great success and they will be stronger than any combination of Zerker or marauder or even trailblazer will ever be. I am flippin rocking Cele and Antitoxin on basicly anything in roaming right now... if someone that is abusing Celestial everyday tells you that.... you can infact believe it. Cele is turning Roaming into a slugfest, and even if it doesnt affect Zerging... its still unhealthy for the mode as a whole. #shave 10% stats from Cele The answer would be to unnerf some of the damage from feb2020 instead. They started to treat the two modes as the same then, but WvW has higher stats than PvP, which made things like the hard CC damage nerf extra potent in WvW. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: The answer would be to unnerf some of the damage from feb2020 instead. They started to treat the two modes as the same then, but WvW has higher stats than PvP, which made things like the hard CC damage nerf extra potent in WvW. While i do partly agree with what you are saying. There is a distinct problem with it. Anet will never ever admit that they made a dumb change. Thus they are not reverting the CC damage change. You have to give them a way, to get out of this dilemma, without them having to admit that they have no clue what they are doing. :D Example given: HEY ANET!!! HOW ABOUT WE TURN ALL THOSE PESKY 300CD traits into things like "Lightning rod", This way underperfoming classes like Warrior gain some damage back and would finally be relevant again. (no clue if there is a 300cd trait conveniently placed, that you dont loose to much with picking it over the trait that people use nowadays; just wanted to make a joke about Anet if im honest) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkpile.7439 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Wonder if anet understand that 300 sec is 5 min. 👴 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikharzeeh.8016 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 (edited) only smallscale and condibuilds are better balanced in spvp. u cannot just apply all the normalized stuff to wvw, but rangers and thieves etc would really need hurting nerfs towards their options in wvw tbh, as well as any other smallscale build. issue is, it mustn't affect largescale builds, which may be tricky at times. what anet didn't have in their balance sofar is, that less pdps and less healing and longer cds make overnumbers with much condi stuff far too easy to pull off. not OP or anything but in uncoordinated fights, numbers mean a lot, which is really not good. like, the balance is now in 2022 way worse than it has been 2 years ago... (before the "balance" patching started) Edited June 7, 2022 by kamikharzeeh.8016 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GewRoo.4172 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 13 minutes ago, kamikharzeeh.8016 said: only smallscale and condibuilds are better balanced in spvp. u cannot just apply all the normalized stuff to wvw, but rangers and thieves etc would really need hurting nerfs towards their options in wvw tbh, as well as any other smallscale build. issue is, it mustn't affect largescale builds, which may be tricky at times. what anet didn't have in their balance sofar is, that less pdps and less healing and longer cds make overnumbers with much condi stuff far too easy to pull off. not OP or anything but in uncoordinated fights, numbers mean a lot, which is really not good. like, the balance is now in 2022 way worse than it has been 2 years ago... (before the "balance" patching started) Spotted the average zerg sheep 😄 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 2 hours ago, Sahne.6950 said: in my humble opinion every profession, besides Warrior and Thief, have a Celestialbuild that greatly outperforms every other "noncelestial" Build for their respective profession. Warrior and Thief have Celebuilds aswell, but i think the powerversions just pack more punch. Cele Fireweaver, Celestial Boonbeast, Celestial Virtuoso, Celestial Firebrand, Cele Renegod, Cele Scrapper/Mechanist, Celestial Harbinger. All of the builds that i mentioned are significantly stronger than any other option available for their respective profession. IF we measure strength by them fighting eachother, aka. Cele X vs noncele X. And i think that this is just dumb and shows a underlying problem, which is, that Celestial has WAY to many raw stats. saying that Celestial has limited use and not many people can utilize it.... is just outright wrong. Nowadays even Powerbuilds like Freshairweaver are rocking Celestial trinkets. Every class besides Thief and warrior can use it with great success and they will be stronger than any combination of Zerker or marauder or even trailblazer will ever be. I am flippin rocking Cele and Antitoxin on basicly anything in roaming right now... if someone that is abusing Celestial everyday tells you that.... you can infact believe it. Cele is turning Roaming into a slugfest, and even if it doesnt affect Zerging... its still unhealthy for the mode as a whole. #shave 10% stats from Cele I would call "usefull in roaming" extremely limited. Like, how many people roam these days and I mean serious roaming. Like 50 people Max? Like, awesome. Cele gets used by some bad Openworld players and a handful of people in Wvw. 😱 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASP.8093 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 15 hours ago, Sansar.1302 said: Why not use the Spvp ballance? , it seams way better Current SPvP balance is anemic support, anemic burst damage, and incredibly anemic condition cleansing. Let's not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telgum.6071 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, DanAlcedo.3281 said: I would call "usefull in roaming" extremely limited. Like, how many people roam these days and I mean serious roaming. Like 50 people Max? Like, awesome. Cele gets used by some bad Openworld players and a handful of people in Wvw. 😱 This is like saying boonball is not a big deal because half of the WvW population only karma trains while avoiding enemy zergs and winning by numbers and nothing else. What is OP is OP, regardless if their abusers do """serious roaming""" or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikharzeeh.8016 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 3 hours ago, GewRoo.4172 said: Spotted the average zerg sheep 😄 we killed 50ish clouds with 15 ppl ... and sry for you, but people using words like "zErG sHeEp" rather are the average lootbag lmfao 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 Oh wow, a classic "only 15" I didn't know they still circulated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 22 minutes ago, LetoII.3782 said: Oh wow, a classic "only 15" I didn't know they still circulated They circulate within a group of 40. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 This is all I can think of reading that title…. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadnir.5038 Posted June 7, 2022 Share Posted June 7, 2022 19 hours ago, Sansar.1302 said: Why not use the sPvP balance? , it seem way better Believe it or not there are many things allowed in sPvP that you don't want to see in WvW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odin.6487 Posted June 9, 2022 Share Posted June 9, 2022 No thanks. I want to be able to run around in full cele while one shotting people and not dying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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