rune.9572 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) They waited with the change for the last mirage player to swap to catalyst. Edited June 9, 2023 by rune.9572 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, Gesbo.6420 said: Ye boys we finally got the dodge but the change still feels kitten as it could have been a change that could have come 3 years ago... right now after 3 years it feels like yet another lazy change... Details please? I assume you're talking about the stream, but i didn't see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Levetty.1279 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Just now, Veprovina.4876 said: Details please? I assume you're talking about the stream, but i didn't see it. Second dodge is back but you can no longer dodged when disabled/immobilized 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, Levetty.1279 said: Second dodge is back but you can no longer dodged when disabled/immobilized So it's just a regular dodge now except you can't get out of an AOE with it? At least it should feel less janky i guess. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt Mode.3780 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 So I'm glad they removed that aspect of dodging while CC but at the same time it is simply worse then a normal dodge. Normal dodge arent affected by chill/cripple while mirage is because you wont be able to get out of an AOE fast enough after you stun break. I rather them just give us a normal dodge and replace jaunt for something else instead of splitting our dodges to 2 different things and calling it a new mechanic. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyroar.2974 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) Normal dodges don't let you use powerful skills while dodging. As long as ambushes exist and work as they do, Mirage's dodges will always be stronger than normal dodges. Being able to dodge while CC'd was never a fair mechanic. Edited June 9, 2023 by Skyroar.2974 2 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt Mode.3780 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Just now, Skyroar.2974 said: Normal dodges don't let you use powerful skills while dodging. As long as ambushes exist and work as they do, Mirage's dodges will always be stronger than normal dodges. Powerful skills as in...the whole purpose of a dodge is to evade incoming attacks which is less then 1 second. I rather lose that 1 second of being able to throw a skill which is most likely an auto then being hit by a strong AoE attack 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 4 minutes ago, Skyroar.2974 said: Normal dodges don't let you use powerful skills while dodging. As long as ambushes exist and work as they do, Mirage's dodges will always be stronger than normal dodges. Being able to dodge while CC'd was never a fair mechanic. That used to be the case, but since then, they have nerfed "powerful" ambushes. Still, i'm reserving judgement til i try it out. 🙂 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt Mode.3780 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) Oh and the fact that our ambush were nerfed, again I rather mitigate damage then do to weak damage. Edited June 9, 2023 by Salt Mode.3780 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 It's a step in the right direction! A lot of people were complaining about immob dodging, so fine. But now they should tune what else was lost and destroyed previously. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ascii.1369 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 I'm actually rather happy with the change. It has always been a bit ridiculous that we can dodge while CCed. Weather it now needs some further tweaking remains to be seen. But I definitely prefer the second dodge over the ability to dodge while stunned. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exciton.8942 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 (edited) I mostly like the changes. I guess they made the choice to sacrifice uniqueness for balance. Mirage is likely back on the table for PvP and WvW. Probably not meta tier but definitely not trashcan tier anymore. Edited June 9, 2023 by Exciton.8942 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted June 9, 2023 Author Share Posted June 9, 2023 So when does the update go live? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exzen.2976 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Midline lazershow gs mirage build back in business? I hope so, I love that build in wvw. Not being able to dodge when cc'd or immob'd seems a fair trade off imho. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ascii.1369 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 3 minutes ago, Veprovina.4876 said: So when does the update go live? June 27 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gesbo.6420 Posted June 9, 2023 Share Posted June 9, 2023 Man this change could have been done 3 years ago.... the mesmer changes feel underwhelming as hell 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaffronCity.3402 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 I don’t know why staff mirage is constantly picked on. We just had an alacrity nerf to the point where we had to take more ritualist gear over vipers gear and I get it seeing as though it’s supposed to be a support and DPS class at the same time. That right there was a DPS nerf, so I have no idea why bleeding and torment now need to be reduced in order to further decrease the DPS from this staff mirage. Leave it alone for kittens sake. If the issue is still with staxe,, then you need to figure it out without ruining the mirage staff/staff. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adonaj.7932 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, SaffronCity.3402 said: I don’t know why staff mirage is constantly picked on. We just had an alacrity nerf to the point where we had to take more ritualist gear over vipers gear and I get it seeing as though it’s supposed to be a support and DPS class at the same time. That right there was a DPS nerf, so I have no idea why bleeding and torment now need to be reduced in order to further decrease the DPS from this staff mirage. Leave it alone for kittens sake. If the issue is still with staxe,, then you need to figure it out without ruining the mirage staff/staff. exactly. i dont know why they keep nerfing staff. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ascii.1369 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 10 minutes ago, SaffronCity.3402 said: I don’t know why staff mirage is constantly picked on. We just had an alacrity nerf to the point where we had to take more ritualist gear over vipers gear and I get it seeing as though it’s supposed to be a support and DPS class at the same time. That right there was a DPS nerf, so I have no idea why bleeding and torment now need to be reduced in order to further decrease the DPS from this staff mirage. Leave it alone for kittens sake. If the issue is still with staxe,, then you need to figure it out without ruining the mirage staff/staff. I think the issue is wth PvP/WvW. They halfed the damge because the number of dodges has doubled. Which is stupid of course, they could make the dps nerf competitive only. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaffronCity.3402 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, ascii.1369 said: I think the issue is wth PvP/WvW. They halfed the damge because the number of dodges has doubled. Which is stupid of course, they could make the dps nerf competitive only. I agree! Easy fix. Heck I’d say keep the pve mirage cloak too. So what if we can dodge while cced in pve? It just all needs to make sense but they don’t rationalize anything… 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adonaj.7932 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 1 minute ago, SaffronCity.3402 said: I agree! Easy fix. Heck I’d say keep the pve mirage cloak too. So what if we can dodge while cced in pve? It just all needs to make sense but they don’t rationalize anything… i think its just extra work for them. and extra work is bad.. right? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaffronCity.3402 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 The funny thing is if they don’t like work then simply don’t make work by continually nerfing the same thing and just leave it alone. Lol I guess we are just expected to all be virtuosos 2 minutes ago, Adonaj.7932 said: i think its just extra work for them. and extra work is bad.. right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adonaj.7932 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 Just now, SaffronCity.3402 said: The funny thing is if they don’t like work then simply don’t make work by continually nerfing the same thing and just leave it alone. Lol I guess we are just expected to all be virtuosos well they need to sell more copies of eod 😄 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veprovina.4876 Posted June 10, 2023 Author Share Posted June 10, 2023 Did they just nerf 20 other things across all specs just because mirage got its dodge back? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted June 10, 2023 Share Posted June 10, 2023 They nerfed core vigor again. Shocking. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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