Something is not right....

[JTGuevara.9018]

On 10/27/2022 at 7:09 PM, Khalisto.5780 said:

But he's brazilian and it's resiliência in portuguese, but he uses resiliencia 

My mistake. Did not know he was Brazilian.

[youle.5824]

Forum's pepos are getting crazier every time I check... Yeah Phoenix literally stream everyday his ranked game , he has more than 300 games played and already got every titles he could want but ofc his winrate this season is wintrading. Makes so much sense lmao. You guys need to start consulting, the madness is getting worse.

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

If they don't wintrade then they DuoQ to get there, which for the top % of players in this game; all 10 of them, may as well be wintrading anyway. Its like a free win button a lot of the time, and these psychos are fr getting hung up on a technicality saying "its not technically wintrading" 

Sure, you're right. It isn't. It may as well be though. Rat tactics.

 

That DuoQ is never going to get matched against anything close to fair competition because the players that could challenge them don't exist. Its cheesy, more lazy, and out of place in 5v5 conquest. Take that away from them and those numbers drop back down to 60-70% of games won, I guarantee it. 60-70% w/l are normal winrates for someone who queues organically and is individually skilled and familiar with this game's pvp.

When the game was SoloQ-only past 1600 rating, all of these people were nobodies, or even banned for cheating already. The 80, 90, or even 100% of games won trend didn't appear until after DuoQ came back in Season 13.

[JTGuevara.9018]

On 10/27/2022 at 8:39 PM, Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

If they don't wintrade then they DuoQ to get there, which for the top % of players in this game; all 10 of them, may as well be wintrading anyway. Its like a free win button a lot of the time, and these psychos are fr getting hung up on a technicality saying "its not technically wintrading" 

Sure, you're right. It isn't. It may as well be though. Rat tactics.

 

That DuoQ is never going to get matched against anything close to fair competition because the players that could challenge them don't exist. Its cheesy, more lazy, and out of place in 5v5 conquest. Take that away from them and those numbers drop back down to 60-70% of games won, I guarantee it. 60-70% w/l are normal winrates for someone who queues organically and is individually skilled and familiar with this game's pvp.

When the game was SoloQ-only past 1600 rating, all of these people were nobodies, or even banned for cheating already. The 80, 90, or even 100% of games won trend didn't appear until after DuoQ came back in Season 13.

Season 13...such a long time ago...I can't believe this charade is up to 34 now lmao...

Good lord, just put it out of its misery already...

[Tycura.1982]

Doesn't take much to steamroll solo que golds at 9AM weekday ques when you're two nolife sweaties. 

[Bast.7253]

2 hours ago, Tycura.1982 said:

Doesn't take much to steamroll solo que golds at 9AM weekday ques when you're two nolife sweaties. 

Probably not even golds. Lol

[Khalisto.5780]

13 minutes ago, Bast.7253 said:

Probably not even golds. Lol

zenyus surely has the skills and this phoenix guy prolly since he played very well in the mota champ

 

if you low gold duo q exploits won't do much for you honestly, since half the game can faceroll you no matter how coordinated you're, and believe 2 gold 2 jumping a plat 1 player prolly won't get the kill, they actually lucky if they don't get killed.

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

13 hours ago, JTGuevara.9018 said:

Season 13...such a long time ago...I can't believe this charade is up to 34 now lmao...

Good lord, just put it out of its misery already...

4 years and over a dozen conquest seasons and they still won't even attempt to sample a soloQ arena

Guessing none of this is being talked about in that 'balance philosophy' stream either. Nope, probably just all profession balance which won't even matter in another 3 months when we get our semi-annual balance patch.

 

This unit is content. Beep boop. Engaging forced smile and slow-clap protocol 👏🤖

[Crab Fear.8623]

Season 11 win rates, solo queue

Season 12 win rates, solo queue

 

my shatty calcs, these are the win rates during solo queue seasons, i need to find the other seasons but you can see there is quite a difference, and MORE REALISTIC outcome...notice the names too....

 

Season 11 Top 10
Wins	Losses	Totals	Win Rate
101	34	135	74.81%
111	67	178	62.36%
137	71	208	65.87%
238	143	381	62.47%
87	39	126	69.05%
112	64	176	63.64%
240	168	408	58.82%
205	118	323	63.47%
300	194	494	60.73%
117	82	199	58.79%
Season 12 Top 10
Wins	Losses	Totals	Win Rate
143	68	211	67.77%
94	44	138	68.12%
83	39	122	68.03%
221	121	342	64.62%
89	59	148	60.14%
84	49	133	63.16%
104	43	147	70.75%
76	44	120	63.33%
257	219	476	53.99%
186	108	294	63.27%

Edited October 28, 2022 by Crab Fear.8623

[JTGuevara.9018]

1 hour ago, Crab Fear.8623 said:

Season 11 win rates, solo queue

Season 12 win rates, solo queue

 

my shatty calcs, these are the win rates during solo queue seasons, i need to find the other seasons but you can see there is quite a difference, and MORE REALISTIC outcome...notice the names too....

 

Season 11 Top 10
Wins	Losses	Totals	Win Rate
101	34	135	74.81%
111	67	178	62.36%
137	71	208	65.87%
238	143	381	62.47%
87	39	126	69.05%
112	64	176	63.64%
240	168	408	58.82%
205	118	323	63.47%
300	194	494	60.73%
117	82	199	58.79%
Season 12 Top 10
Wins	Losses	Totals	Win Rate
143	68	211	67.77%
94	44	138	68.12%
83	39	122	68.03%
221	121	342	64.62%
89	59	148	60.14%
84	49	133	63.16%
104	43	147	70.75%
76	44	120	63.33%
257	219	476	53.99%
186	108	294	63.27%

Interesting...a much more distributed spread than what is currently up today. Crab, I don't suppose you have the source for these charts?

Do please let us know if you find anything above season 12. If not, well then...! I suppose the plot thickens doesn't it!

[Leonidrex.5649]

Guys im not wintrading. I just duoq with a wintrader. And im in a team with people that ate dishonour for selling gizmos and piloting accounts. I would totally not wintrade man, no shot.

 

[Grimjack.8130]

2 hours ago, Crab Fear.8623 said:

Season 11 win rates, solo queue

Season 12 win rates, solo queue

 

my shatty calcs, these are the win rates during solo queue seasons, i need to find the other seasons but you can see there is quite a difference, and MORE REALISTIC outcome...notice the names too....

 

Season 11 Top 10
Wins	Losses	Totals	Win Rate
101	34	135	74.81%
111	67	178	62.36%
137	71	208	65.87%
238	143	381	62.47%
87	39	126	69.05%
112	64	176	63.64%
240	168	408	58.82%
205	118	323	63.47%
300	194	494	60.73%
117	82	199	58.79%
Season 12 Top 10
Wins	Losses	Totals	Win Rate
143	68	211	67.77%
94	44	138	68.12%
83	39	122	68.03%
221	121	342	64.62%
89	59	148	60.14%
84	49	133	63.16%
104	43	147	70.75%
76	44	120	63.33%
257	219	476	53.99%
186	108	294	63.27%

Doesnt seem like a huge jump to say you can easily sustain a winrate of 80% or more when you can get to 70% in a much more competitive queue(season 11/12) solo queue, but I guess thats just wintrader bias isnt it?

[Trevor Boyer.6524]

4 minutes ago, Grimjack.8130 said:

Doesnt seem like a huge jump to say you can easily sustain a winrate of 80% or more when you can get to 70% in a much more competitive queue(season 11/12) solo queue, but I guess thats just wintrader bias isnt it?

Woah woah woah, I'm going to do something you wouldn't expect me to do.

I'm going to gaslight your gaslighting, and tell you to stop talking about win trading.

Stop it.

@Multicolorhipster.9751

Edited October 29, 2022 by Trevor Boyer.6524

[Crab Fear.8623]

4 minutes ago, Grimjack.8130 said:

Doesnt seem like a huge jump to say you can easily sustain a winrate of 80% or more when you can get to 70% in a much more competitive queue(season 11/12) solo queue, but I guess thats just wintrader bias isnt it?

You are a greatly skilled player, but if you are in a duo of a player of the same caliber, 1700-1800+, it won't really change what you would face a solo player.

The issue is when players of the 1700-1800+ caliber queue on a forced (throws, ect) account that is rated in the 1100s-, while actually being 1700-1800+.

The MM does not take the top player, and if they confirmed it as average, then that would still mean it takes every rating into consideration against the other team.

Yes, top players stream their games, but I've watched, and quite a few times they are on alts. It is odd to me, that they would alt at all....since if you are the best you should be fine always on your main.

But, digression aside, sports and chess allow no alts.

I won't say you got your title unfairly, but if you queued with a top player on an alt, it is quite sus.

I'm not the best player at anything, but im not the worst.

My last point is, i've never seen vallun alt, and he is obvs in the top 10, and many many times solo

[Crab Fear.8623]

56 minutes ago, JTGuevara.9018 said:

Interesting...a much more distributed spread than what is currently up today. Crab, I don't suppose you have the source for these charts?

Do please let us know if you find anything above season 12. If not, well then...! I suppose the plot thickens doesn't it!

I linked the pics to end of season in the post, but ill look for more season in my bajillion screens...thats me in the pics.

Edited October 29, 2022 by Crab Fear.8623

[lotus.5672]

18 minutes ago, Grimjack.8130 said:

Doesnt seem like a huge jump to say you can easily sustain a winrate of 80% or more when you can get to 70% in a much more competitive queue(season 11/12) solo queue, but I guess thats just wintrader bias isnt it?

Guys im not wintrading. I just duoq with a wintrader. And im in a team with people that ate dishonour for selling gizmos and piloting accounts. I would totally not wintrade man, no shot.

[Grimjack.8130]

1 hour ago, Crab Fear.8623 said:

You are a greatly skilled player, but if you are in a duo of a player of the same caliber, 1700-1800+, it won't really change what you would face a solo player.

The issue is when players of the 1700-1800+ caliber queue on a forced (throws, ect) account that is rated in the 1100s-, while actually being 1700-1800+.

The MM does not take the top player, and if they confirmed it as average, then that would still mean it takes every rating into consideration against the other team.

Yes, top players stream their games, but I've watched, and quite a few times they are on alts. It is odd to me, that they would alt at all....since if you are the best you should be fine always on your main.

But, digression aside, sports and chess allow no alts.

I won't say you got your title unfairly, but if you queued with a top player on an alt, it is quite sus.

I'm not the best player at anything, but im not the worst.

My last point is, i've never seen vallun alt, and he is obvs in the top 10, and many many times solo

So you are completely right in where the matchmaker takes the average rating, so blah blah blah should get harder games cause more rating, BUT consider how even when you're solo qing above 1600 you're *always* getting 7 minute queues, which blah blah getting the same games either way.

Top players queue on alts because while rating doesn't mean anything overall, the legend badge looks cool, and realistically thats the reason. Theres no reason to care about your rating, eventually you reach a point and throw it all away, but until then you get a cooler looking badge. Theres also obviously the ego reason, while rating means nothing, it also does mean something at the same time.

To keep that rating, you do need to duo queue, you might need to queue dodge players that are duoing(at that rating you can beat that duo 4 times and lose once and lose a ton of rating overall still). 

You can easily get these winrates, but its not sustainable with a normal play pattern. Thats why people use alts. Because people still want to queue, but want to keep their rating or badge.

It is obviously not ideal, and it is "abuse" or whatever you want to call it, but things like this aren't a sign of wintrading or match manipulation. You might say its match manipulation, I personally am of the mind set that only behavior taken in matches or prior to matches that if they were to happen would have an impact, as match manipulation.(q dodging does not count, but saying you can queue but if you get in the game throw, does count) as an example. 

[Multicolorhipster.9751]

9 hours ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

Woah woah woah, I'm going to do something you wouldn't expect me to do.

I'm going to gaslight your gaslighting, and tell you to stop talking about win trading.

Stop it.

9 hours ago, Grimjack.8130 said:

Doesnt seem like a huge jump to say you can easily sustain a winrate of 80% or more when you can get to 70% in a much more competitive queue(season 11/12) solo queue, but I guess thats just wintrader bias isnt it?

If you can do that so 'easily' then you think someone would have done it, but they didn't.

As to the gaslighting, doesn't really work when the person trying to gaslight you is being this obvious in their lies.

7 hours ago, Grimjack.8130 said:

So you are completely right in where the matchmaker takes the average rating, so blah blah blah should get harder games cause more rating, BUT consider how even when you're solo qing above 1600 you're *always* getting 7 minute queues, which blah blah getting the same games either way.

Like this, just outwardly bull kitten. I consistently averaged around that rating 1600-1700 when I still played and its the opposite of what he's saying.

SoloQ is way faster at 1600 rating. It was like a 3-5 minute soloQ back in Season 18, but if you were to DuoQ, especially with someone way below your rating, that would boost your queue times to 7 up to even maybe 10 minute queues.

If SoloQs had to wait longer than teams to play, then nobody would SoloQ because then you'd be waiting longer to queue at a disadvantage with total RNG matchmaking. That's why they call the YoloQ what it is. Its fast soloQ games that you're probably going to lose, but by sheer quantity of games played alone, you occasionally break through.

7 hours ago, Grimjack.8130 said:

It is obviously not ideal, and it is "abuse" or whatever you want to call it, but things like this aren't a sign of wintrading or match manipulation. You might say its match manipulation, I personally am of the mind set that only behavior taken in matches or prior to matches that if they were to happen would have an impact, as match manipulation.(q dodging does not count, but saying you can queue but if you get in the game throw, does count) as an example. 

Really wants to get technical with the wording. Lets just call it abuse then. 

Because that's what people want in their video game, to be 'abused' 😂 

Does it really have to be wintrading, match manipulation, or 'abuse?' How about none of that and just play the game?

The cartel definitely lives up to the name. 😨

Edited October 29, 2022 by Multicolorhipster.9751

[aelska.4609]

If you shift the problem, it means that you can be 80% sure that you will lose when facing these duoQ, so that you certainly wasted 10 minutes waiting for the match to start and the next 10 minutes waiting for the match to end.

Great game !

[Grimjack.8130]

5 hours ago, Multicolorhipster.9751 said:

If you can do that so 'easily' then you think someone would have done it, but they didn't.

As to the gaslighting, doesn't really work when the person trying to gaslight you is being this obvious in their lies.

Like this, just outwardly bull kitten. I consistently averaged around that rating 1600-1700 when I still played and its the opposite of what he's saying.

SoloQ is way faster at 1600 rating. It was like a 3-5 minute soloQ back in Season 18, but if you were to DuoQ, especially with someone way below your rating, that would boost your queue times to 7 up to even maybe 10 minute queues.

If SoloQs had to wait longer than teams to play, then nobody would SoloQ because then you'd be waiting longer to queue at a disadvantage with total RNG matchmaking. That's why they call the YoloQ what it is. Its fast soloQ games that you're probably going to lose, but by sheer quantity of games played alone, you occasionally break through.

Really wants to get technical with the wording. Lets just call it abuse then. 

Because that's what people want in their video game, to be 'abused' 😂 

Does it really have to be wintrading, match manipulation, or 'abuse?' How about none of that and just play the game?

The cartel definitely lives up to the name. 😨

sry not gonna read all of that since u obviously dont care about having real discourse!

[Paradoxoglanis.1904]

On 10/26/2022 at 5:01 AM, epoc.7941 said:

for reference professional  athletes with similar games play have no where near a win rate

Professional athletes dont play exclusively at 5am so they only have to face people with the skill level of a 10 year old.

[greedywholesome.9081]

@epoc.7941 Hi Epoc, bruv, things ain't been right for a long time. 

[greedywholesome.9081]

On 10/29/2022 at 7:09 AM, Crab Fear.8623 said:

Season 11 win rates, solo queue

Season 12 win rates, solo queue

 

my shatty calcs, these are the win rates during solo queue seasons, i need to find the other seasons but you can see there is quite a difference, and MORE REALISTIC outcome...notice the names too....

 

Season 11 Top 10
Wins	Losses	Totals	Win Rate
101	34	135	74.81%
111	67	178	62.36%
137	71	208	65.87%
238	143	381	62.47%
87	39	126	69.05%
112	64	176	63.64%
240	168	408	58.82%
205	118	323	63.47%
300	194	494	60.73%
117	82	199	58.79%
Season 12 Top 10
Wins	Losses	Totals	Win Rate
143	68	211	67.77%
94	44	138	68.12%
83	39	122	68.03%
221	121	342	64.62%
89	59	148	60.14%
84	49	133	63.16%
104	43	147	70.75%
76	44	120	63.33%
257	219	476	53.99%
186	108	294	63.27%

 

DONT YOU FLAUNT THAT CHART ON US.....

gone were the days when competition felt fair. 

[greedywholesome.9081]

The people that loved and cared for PvP no longer work for Anet, just an FYI. 

[greedywholesome.9081]

23 hours ago, Grimjack.8130 said:

Doesnt seem like a huge jump to say you can easily sustain a winrate of 80% or more when you can get to 70% in a much more competitive queue(season 11/12) solo queue, but I guess thats just wintrader bias isnt it?

 

I don't know you but do know that you play ele like a madman. Why you even at the forum? Lemme guess, for entertainment?