Bunbury.8472 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 if someone is going to make a balance thread, a nerf thread usually- they should be required to post a gameplay video or the thread should just get deleted by mods. it's very difficult to tell legitimate balance issues from L2P issues with no VOD, because those with skill issues will do everything in their power to say it's a balance problem. so there needs to be a VOD requirement so all the bad players can self report, so the devs can give their attentions to real balance issues. The player skill level is at an all time low, & I am seeing some awful noobstink balance takes here. I wish I was joking, but we had a thread complaining about a warrior using bolas recently. 10 5 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shagie.7612 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 (edited) gonna make a montage of me avoiding way more important skills of everyone's than they avoid of mine only to lose anyways because they're basically any spec im taking u all down with me we're all gonna be playing core only, just u wait Edited August 6, 2023 by Shagie.7612 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downstate.4697 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 Lately I don’t even follow what people are saying. It makes me question if I’m stupid 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bunbury.8472 said: we had a thread complaining about a warrior using bolas recently. 💀 ᵃᶦⁿᵗ ⁿᵒ ʷᵃʸ I agree, post gameplay interacting with what you think is broken. It's always people on defense against weird claims, burden of proof should be on the person saying something is overpowered so they can prove that there was nothing they could reasonably do to win or deal with what they think is broken. We used to do this, what happened~ Edited August 6, 2023 by Azure The Heartless.3261 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zekent.3652 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bunbury.8472 said: I wish I was joking, but we had a thread complaining about a warrior using bolas recently. I still remember this... i read the whole thread and this was basically the build that OP in that thread was complaining about... http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PKwEQiNsMCGFbihwKxi2KvdD-zZIPlMFC9KCKYCUyCQFDAA Edited August 6, 2023 by Zizekent.2398 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 5 minutes ago, Zizekent.2398 said: I still remember this... i read the whole thread and this was basically the build that OP in that thread was complaining about... http://gw2skills.net/editor/?PKwEQiNsMCGFbihwKxi2KvdD-zZIPlMFC9KCKYCUyCQFDAA ᵗʰᵉ ᵃˡᵐᶦᵍʰᵗʸ ⁿᵒ ˢᵗᵘⁿᵇʳᵉᵃᵏ ᶻᵉʳᵏᵉʳ ˡᵉᵗˢ ᵍᵒᵒᵒᵒ 💀 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethekey.8314 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 Somewhat agree. I want to say I do this more than almost anyone on here. Despite that, you'd be surprised how people can interpret things that should be objective, differently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 This should be indeed a requirement and it would go both ways. It would prevent people from using clear l2p issues as a chipping argument and would stop people from defending the undefendable 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 Jokes on you. I don't need a capture card to show people I'm bad. 🍵 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccccc.4963 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 Rip Trevor 5 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie.9143 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 8 hours ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: ᵗʰᵉ ᵃˡᵐᶦᵍʰᵗʸ ⁿᵒ ˢᵗᵘⁿᵇʳᵉᵃᵏ ᶻᵉʳᵏᵉʳ ˡᵉᵗˢ ᵍᵒᵒᵒᵒ 💀 Mf berserk is an 11 sec stun break lmao 1 1 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Eddie.9143 said: Mf berserk is an 11 sec stun break lmao They're spending it to set up burst what do you meaaaaaan 💀 Signet of Fury has a cast requirement and the warrior isn't running cleansing ire on this, so they can't magically get the adrenaline to use berserk and stunbreak as a reaction to being stunlocked, and Signet of Rage won't passively build adrenaline to the point that you can use it to stunbreak react either. They're literally free both before and immediately after the GunFlame. I'm thanking your post anyway. For different reasons. Edited August 6, 2023 by Azure The Heartless.3261 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 its pretty easy to read and use brain to determine if something is legitimate or not. i find threads that want requirements for posting to be a lot worse as something like that would kill discussion and you know, the democratic process of all voices are created equal (perhaps not proven to be after the fact) 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 1 minute ago, Stand The Wall.6987 said: its pretty easy to read and use brain to determine if something is legitimate or not. i find threads that want requirements for posting to be a lot worse as something like that would kill discussion and you know, the democratic process of all voices are created equal (perhaps not proven to be after the fact) 💀🍿 I love this post's style the subtext is like... folded in a neat little package with a bow on top 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazsi.2734 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 14 hours ago, Bunbury.8472 said: if someone is going to make a balance thread, a nerf thread usually- they should be required to post a gameplay video or the thread should just get deleted by mods. it's very difficult to tell legitimate balance issues from L2P issues with no VOD, because those with skill issues will do everything in their power to say it's a balance problem. so there needs to be a VOD requirement so all the bad players can self report, so the devs can give their attentions to real balance issues. The player skill level is at an all time low, & I am seeing some awful noobstink balance takes here. I wish I was joking, but we had a thread complaining about a warrior using bolas recently. Little Timmy upset about dodge not cancelling condition damage would get a voice with every dumb video they record and post, but a seasoned veteran who can't be bothered to record and edit a video would be ignored... what a wonderful way to filter feedback. 😄 Let's just do good old elitism instead: everyone posting in the PvP forums: complete stats visible to everyone. How many total games, class distribution, winrates, highest ever rating, current rating. If that doesn't measure up, your opinion is irrelevant. At least this way of thinking is only half-wrong, while yours being completey <REDACTED>. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathdealer.2197 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 You cant be serious 😛 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsa.3951 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 maybe devs should do balance videos than 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan.1704 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 1 hour ago, Balsa.3951 said: maybe devs should do balance videos than One of them got killed by an NPC in HotM... i don't think that's a good idea lol. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 15 minutes ago, Saiyan.1704 said: One of them got killed by an NPC in HotM... i don't think that's a good idea lol. Ok, but downstate necrobot got hands tho 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doozer.7063 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 The problem is, you need devs with enough knowledge and understanding of the game and classes so they are able to read and analyze the gameplay correctly. We currently have none. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ketsu.4569 Posted August 6, 2023 Share Posted August 6, 2023 An alternative is being able to choose a title from your game account to show on the forums. If someone doesn't have a top 250 or tournament win title, then everyone else knows. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusticeRetroHunter.7684 Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 5 hours ago, Master Ketsu.4569 said: An alternative is being able to choose a title from your game account to show on the forums. If someone doesn't have a top 250 or tournament win title, then everyone else knows. In other words leave balance up to the demographic that are 50% wintraders, ego-maniac tryhards? As if that isn't already the case right now? I don't like the forums because generally speaking no player tends to give "good" ideas to the game because players are not game designers and the two are completely separate skill sets. Also what OP and you by extension are asking for, is completely unrealistic and it will never happen given A-net's very liberal/causal leaning stance. This thread in itself is a testament to how stupid the forums can be. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saiyan.1704 Posted August 7, 2023 Share Posted August 7, 2023 18 hours ago, JusticeRetroHunter.7684 said: In other words leave balance up to the demographic that are 50% wintraders, ego-maniac tryhards? As if that isn't already the case right now? I don't like the forums because generally speaking no player tends to give "good" ideas to the game because players are not game designers and the two are completely separate skill sets. Also what OP and you by extension are asking for, is completely unrealistic and it will never happen given A-net's very liberal/causal leaning stance. This thread in itself is a testament to how stupid the forums can be. Well... to be fair there are far worse threads than this one. Some one QQ'd about DH's 1s stealth, all because "I can't select him when he reappears this is bs". There are so many individuals who are mechanically challenged in this game... it's kind of surreal. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chromazene.4807 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 On 8/7/2023 at 12:32 AM, JusticeRetroHunter.7684 said: In other words leave balance up to the demographic that are 50% wintraders, ego-maniac tryhards? As if that isn't already the case right now? I don't like the forums because generally speaking no player tends to give "good" ideas to the game because players are not game designers and the two are completely separate skill sets. Also what OP and you by extension are asking for, is completely unrealistic and it will never happen given A-net's very liberal/causal leaning stance. This thread in itself is a testament to how stupid the forums can be. That's pretty much how it is with most decision-making related to Guild Wars 2, sadly. The Wiki? There's a Discord of gatekeepers who watches the Wiki like a hawk. Balance? CMC and other balance devs like Roy are in exclusive Discord servers and get feedback only from partners, streamers, and players they like - there really ought to be an employee policy that prohibits ANet staff from establishing ex parte communications outside of official support channels. ANet's drones control the subreddit. And the two big Facebook groups are controlled exclusively by ANet loyalists. You're not going to get a whole lot of free thought and criticism about the game - I mean, shoot, even Aspect.gg is dead - 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalima.5490 Posted August 11, 2023 Share Posted August 11, 2023 On 8/6/2023 at 3:48 AM, Bunbury.8472 said: if someone is going to make a balance thread, a nerf thread usually- they should be required to post a gameplay video or the thread should just get deleted by mods. it's very difficult to tell legitimate balance issues from L2P issues with no VOD, because those with skill issues will do everything in their power to say it's a balance problem. so there needs to be a VOD requirement so all the bad players can self report, so the devs can give their attentions to real balance issues. The player skill level is at an all time low, & I am seeing some awful noobstink balance takes here. I wish I was joking, but we had a thread complaining about a warrior using bolas recently. all this would do is cause balance issues to go unreported, it does not take a genious to see that the game is simply playing too fast which means the entire concept of making elaborate combos in combat irrelevant to the point that the only builds that can realistically do anything simply spam invulnerables and high mobility while there is effectively no counter being provided to fight these kinds of mechanics at all. This wasn't always the case, in the past things like cripple would reduce the effective range of your jumps or charge abilities (by making them move slower and thus take you less distance) but was then patched out, we also didn't have access to excessive invulnerabiliy like we do now. It is these kinds of things that create balance problems because the underlying concept itself is too powerful. This, as an example, isn't an issue that requires a video to see that it is a sheer balance issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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