uberkingkong.8041 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 So usually the builds change say that good build from a year ago is not good today, and you just returned. So you gotta figure out what to play as, since things constantly change and its a lotta reading to catchup again on how everything works, so you want as little reading as possible. What I find tedious is, I'll goto metabattle and pick recommended and it shows like 3 necro options. And I have to figure out which one to play. Go off difficulty to play it, go off of rating, its too many things think about. Why is a recommended build rating N/A, how is that better than great/good, its recommended. Whys that? Another good example Herald condi support dps vs condi power dps. support dps is harder difficulty and 4 rating while power dps is easier difficulty and its a 5 Should be no brainer go power dps right? I feel like there should be a category expected build. So when people see your a tempest, they expecting a healer, but your actually dps? Should be a cateory likeliness to find a group, not sure if firebrands are still popular or who is but, if it means getting quick groups and people want to play that, fine tell me what it is. How do I know which 5 is actually a 5 as in I'll get groups easy if all I do is play that build. Anyways I think metabattle can do better, right now its too many options too many recommended, so it doesn't really feel recommended. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randulf.7614 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 I'm not 100% what your post is trying to say, but ultimately isn't having lots of options a good thing? I mean I'm no fan of metabattle by any stretch, but surely having plenty of recommended options should be a cause for rejoicing? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashen.2907 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Not faulting you for bringing this up here but, since metabattle is not associated with ANet, you might want to consider bringing it up to them directly. 8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoftFootpaws.9134 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) i think metabattle is meant more for open world, wvw and pvp builds, which naturally tend to have far more variants than instanced content builds. to put it simply, you're looking for a reduction in choices from game modes that are built entirely around personal choice. Edited March 15 by SoftFootpaws.9134 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuavePuppy.2809 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Just so I understand, is this what you're asking for: Build Popularity Rating - Meta / Common / Rare / Niche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberkingkong.8041 Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 (edited) What I'm asking for, I'm coming back, say I'm gonna do some tough stuff, like Fractal 100. I don't really want someone to ragequit and say nasty things because I can't my weight, I'm playing wrong thing. Say I'm subject 6 and constant wipes because dps is bad or I'm not providing boons and i should be the one providing boons because someones see I'm a firebrand or something. I guess with metabattle I just want 1 option when it recommended. Just tell whats the best the community thinks is the best. I'm all for wide options of builds but if I'm coming I wanna play the best and I'll decide later if I'm explore the options. I guess there many reasons to be on metabattle comparing builds and what not but I've been using it just to see what the best and use it. Looking at the recommended great good, it seems like the options don't change, like the rating N/A is on recommend/great/good whatever I choose. Same with the 5 rated one. Edited March 15 by uberkingkong.8041 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Epiphany.8304 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 My situation was similar to yours, OP. I returned to the game after being away for several years. I used Mettabattle as a source for builds (and still do), but eventually found a couple of YouTube content providers that posted builds closer to my playstyle and that were more recently or regularly updated. I also liked the explanations and gameplay footage that many providers supply. There are lots of sources for builds. Hopefully, you'll find some that provide what you're looking for. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cuks.8241 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 Discretize's site used to be specialised in fractal builds. But I just checked, all the builds there are 5 months old so not sure if they are up to date (not following the fractal meta). I wouldn't be so concerned. Make sure you actually like to play your build. You can use arcdps to check your performance and if you're satisfied that's all that really matters. And if you're afraid that someone will critique you just because of your build, well guess what, they are probably a kitten and they will find a way to be a kitten regardless. And not everyone agrees what the best build is anyway. My guild used to have recommended build list for each class. And I didn't always agree with them and ran my own build and I did fine and no one cared. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuavePuppy.2809 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 So it seems the Recommended category includes builds that have been specifically selected as current meta picks, while the number ratings are based on community ratings. So, choose a build from the Recommended category. There's really no "best" for many elite specializations - it's all about context and the rest of your party. But if you really want Metabattle to recommend 1 specific build for you (for Guardian for example), go to Build -> Guardian, scroll down to Fractals, and pick the highest rated build there. Beyond that, when it comes to fulfilling roles, you're going to have to communicate with your party. There's really no way around that. No one should be assuming what build anyone else is on in the current meta game. In a game where all classes can fill several roles, assuming what someone is playing is silly. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibit.6259 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 (edited) Think the main problem here is not the vast amount of builds and options but more about finding what you want to play. Not sure how long you were gone for but things has changed within the game that a lot of classes are now decent to good for certain roles. E.g. firebrand used to be the go to op healer in the game but now you have herald, druid, scourge etc able to stand toe to toe with hfb (for the most part). There's no ,"one size fits all" meta anymore, of course there are some classes/builds that still preform outstandingly, but a lot of other classes/builds are still good that they will still be a good pick for most content. There's only a few specific classes/builds that are required for certain content in this game e.g. deimos hk. My advise for players struggling to choose a class/build is to focus on these main points: - What role(s) do you want to play. Healer? Boondps? Dps? - what difficulty level do want the playstyle to be? You want something that's low intensity but still performs well? Or do you want something more challenging with a strict rotation? Something mid? - if stuck between a few choices, play around with them in easier content and/or use the training golem to test them out. Edited March 15 by Dibit.6259 Typos 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chyro.1462 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 There's this neat little thing called communication when forming groups for content like higher fractals. People don't just go by assumption what you should be playing with which elite spec. Usually they recruit specific roles for their group, having a alac/quick heal and a boon dps of the other type if its required or recommended for the difficulty of the content. Now what you can do when joining a group, is simply stating what build you play as soon as you join. 'Hi, dps' is enough to let them know that you're not a healer and don't bring boons - then they can tell you if that's fine or if they still need to fill one of the other roles. Just learn and play a build you're comfortable with, then find a group (or make your own) that is in need of the role that build fulfills. If you frequently get personally mentioned as not doing the expected amount, be that not enough dps or no boons - perhaps you should practice and learn your build better at a lower difficulty of content before attempting the higher tiers. It's also possible it's not just you and just the group overall being messy and people are looking to blame someone when things don't go well, though can't really tell what's really the case unless you use arcdps yourself and are confident about your performance. tldr, my main three pieces of advice: 1) Communicate your role when joining a group. 2) Play a build you enjoy, then learn to play it well 3) If you struggle to perform at higher difficulty, practice in lower difficulty first 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 22 hours ago, uberkingkong.8041 said: What I'm asking for, I'm coming back, say I'm gonna do some tough stuff, like Fractal 100. I don't really want someone to ragequit and say nasty things because I can't my weight, I'm playing wrong thing. Say I'm subject 6 and constant wipes because dps is bad or I'm not providing boons and i should be the one providing boons because someones see I'm a firebrand or something. I guess with metabattle I just want 1 option when it recommended. Just tell whats the best the community thinks is the best. I'm all for wide options of builds but if I'm coming I wanna play the best and I'll decide later if I'm explore the options. I guess there many reasons to be on metabattle comparing builds and what not but I've been using it just to see what the best and use it. Looking at the recommended great good, it seems like the options don't change, like the rating N/A is on recommend/great/good whatever I choose. Same with the 5 rated one. No build or rating mean anything if you can't play it anyways. Play what you want, go to the training area, check what dps you're dealing or if you're a support, what boon uptime you have. Nobody expects you to play one specific build or role "just because you're tempest". 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan.7853 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 Everyone is a critic. Thank you MetaBattle for all the build ideas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 (edited) Funny, some people STILL haven't figured out that your team mates rage quitting on you isn't about your build, it's about you knowing how to play and the encounter. But I'm sure someone coming back from a prolonged break has both of these things locked down so the only important factor is the build they use 🤣 Imagine a world where you find things about about how to play a game ... by playing it and not having a website tell you how to play it. Edited March 16 by Obtena.7952 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uberkingkong.8041 Posted March 17 Author Share Posted March 17 (edited) 20 hours ago, Obtena.7952 said: Funny, some people STILL haven't figured out that your team mates rage quitting on you isn't about your build, it's about you knowing how to play and the encounter. But I'm sure someone coming back from a prolonged break has both of these things locked down so the only important factor is the build they use 🤣 Imagine a world where you find things about about how to play a game ... by playing it and not having a website tell you how to play it. Yeah say that to the people that have dps meter and sees everyone dps is like 8k to 12k. And its a tough fractal, wondering why cannot beat Subject6. Thats where builds come in, and your playing a reaper, what kind of reaper, why are you doing that reaper build on metabattle, use the other reaper build. Thats where I want recommended to just be 1 option, the best build, not 3 picks. What do you recommend I get to eat? Burgers, Chicken, Salad. Yeah but which one? See what I'm saying, thats where I feel like Metabattle can improve on. They have categories Great and Good, and then there is Recommended. I Feel like recommended or the meta should just be limited to 1 option per profession and their profession within profession. Edited March 17 by uberkingkong.8041 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuavePuppy.2809 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 5 hours ago, uberkingkong.8041 said: Yeah but which one? See what I'm saying, thats where I feel like Metabattle can improve on. They have categories Great and Good, and then there is Recommended. I Feel like recommended or the meta should just be limited to 1 option per profession and their profession within profession. Some elite specs have more than one build that is considered to be meta. I think Metabattle does a fine job of making that clear and at a certain point you just have to pick one. Pick a role, pick a build that matches that role from the Recommended section, learn it, and no one will call you out for low DPS. 5 hours ago, uberkingkong.8041 said: Thats where builds come in, and your playing a reaper, what kind of reaper, why are you doing that reaper build on metabattle, use the other reaper build. Thats where I want recommended to just be 1 option, the best build, not 3 picks. It sounds like you are expecting the build they recommend to do all the work for you - your ability to perform the role is much less reliant on the build than it is on your skill and knowledge. The DPS benchmarks between high tier builds is minimal - you are better off getting good at the one you like than hoping the build does it all for you. They are all more than acceptable, and they are all dependant on the context of the fight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaiawolf.8261 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 9 hours ago, uberkingkong.8041 said: Burgers, Chicken, Salad. You know you can eat a chicken salad appetizer before a burger, right? It's a pretty good meal. I'd go so far as to recommend it. 😉 Edited March 18 by Gaiawolf.8261 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obtena.7952 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 10 hours ago, uberkingkong.8041 said: Yeah say that to the people that have dps meter and sees everyone dps is like 8k to 12k. Except you don't need to use a metabattle build to get that. Even most of the out of date builds are still going to deliver more than acceptable DPS ... as long as the people using them know how to play them and the encounter mechanics. So what I said wasn't wrong. Don't pretend like you can't deliver DPS unless you are using THE most up to date DPS builds. Even then, it's unlikely you will get close to the stated DPS values. The primary improvement that needs to happen here isn't Metabattle handing you the most up to date builds that DPS pushers who abuse you with DPS meters approve of. But here is a suggestion. If you have a suggestion to improve metabattle ... talk to the people that manage it. What does this even have to do with GW2 forums? Edited March 18 by Obtena.7952 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biziut.3594 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Honestly @uberkingkong.8041, if You are still looking for builds to do instanced content, change site and go SnowCrows imho. The builds there are always being up to date and Metabattle is usually copying their PvE builds from this site. PvP, WvW. Now thats when I consider to go MetaBattle. OW is OW... I usually run builds from SC there also, sometimes with some of my personal tweaks, and sometimes I run my own build entirely. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZeroTheRuler.7415 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 (edited) On 3/15/2024 at 11:59 AM, uberkingkong.8041 said: So usually the builds change say that good build from a year ago is not good today, and you just returned. So you gotta figure out what to play as, since things constantly change and its a lotta reading to catchup again on how everything works, so you want as little reading as possible. What I find tedious is, I'll goto metabattle and pick recommended and it shows like 3 necro options. And I have to figure out which one to play. Go off difficulty to play it, go off of rating, its too many things think about. Why is a recommended build rating N/A, how is that better than great/good, its recommended. Whys that? Another good example Herald condi support dps vs condi power dps. support dps is harder difficulty and 4 rating while power dps is easier difficulty and its a 5 Should be no brainer go power dps right? I feel like there should be a category expected build. So when people see your a tempest, they expecting a healer, but your actually dps? Should be a cateory likeliness to find a group, not sure if firebrands are still popular or who is but, if it means getting quick groups and people want to play that, fine tell me what it is. How do I know which 5 is actually a 5 as in I'll get groups easy if all I do is play that build. Anyways I think metabattle can do better, right now its too many options too many recommended, so it doesn't really feel recommended. Ive never really liked metabatle. Note: metabatle is not tied to anet. Here are my suggestions. Hardstuck has some good ones for a verity of game modes. Hardstuck has ratings on their builds and are generally pretty clear in my opinion. Snowcrows is another, but its focused in on for high end pve only. They used to have encounter guides, but the site changed. Discrtize had some good fractal builds, but I think its out of date. Guildgen has some good wvw or pvp builds. Edited March 19 by ZeroTheRuler.7415 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted March 19 Share Posted March 19 If you are playing in groups that care about what build you are using then you shouldnt be getting your builds from metabattle. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted March 20 Share Posted March 20 (edited) On 3/17/2024 at 5:22 PM, uberkingkong.8041 said: Thats where builds come in, and your playing a reaper, what kind of reaper, why are you doing that reaper build on metabattle, use the other reaper build. Thats where I want recommended to just be 1 option, the best build, not 3 picks. What do you recommend I get to eat? Burgers, Chicken, Salad. Yeah but which one? The one you like. Nobody will eat it for you and nobody will play a build for you. Edited March 20 by Sobx.1758 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StraightPath.3972 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 @uberkingkong.8041 Your issues stem from low self esteem and difficulty to focus. What you need is a clear goal and a simple, directed approach to getting there. Set a clear goal (like "getting a legendary armor set" for example). Pick one and only one character you'll main. Any other crap goes. Play and learn it proper as you play. Create your own builds based on your own preference and skill. As you get better and better feel free to tweak it into "does more, but is less safe" territory. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted March 21 Share Posted March 21 On 3/16/2024 at 9:07 PM, Obtena.7952 said: Funny, some people STILL haven't figured out that your team mates rage quitting on you isn't about your build, it's about you knowing how to play and the encounter. But I'm sure someone coming back from a prolonged break has both of these things locked down so the only important factor is the build they use 🤣 Imagine a world where you find things about about how to play a game ... by playing it and not having a website tell you how to play it. What a time line. I 100% agree with an Obtena post. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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