Are we gonna talk about Mirage?

Bawi.9541 · May 25, 2018

You kinda lose the 'good duelist' card when you can unironically jump into every 1v5 you come across.

Zero.3871 · May 25, 2018

@"Oozo.7856" said:I disagree somewhat. GW2 has never been a good 1v1 or 2v2 game, but it has been a good 3v3-5v5 game. Things started to go downhill with HoT.

game was still BS in balance before hot. 50%+ of every wvw zerg were Guardians...everyone just yolo pushed all the day. only People that like that days are skilless People that missing perma uncounterable stability and skilless Guardian tome 1 spam….

99% of commanders at that time just commanded: "empower" and "push,push,push,push………………….." and when they died "waterfield,waterfield,waterfield". that was before hot meta.

Oozo.7856 · May 25, 2018

@Zero.3871 said:
@"Oozo.7856" said:I disagree somewhat. GW2 has never been a good 1v1 or 2v2 game, but it has been a good 3v3-5v5 game. Things started to go downhill with HoT.

game was still BS in balance before hot. 50%+ of every wvw zerg were Guardians...everyone just yolo pushed all the day. only People that like that days are skilless People that missing perma uncounterable stability and skilless Guardian tome 1 spam….

99% of commanders at that time just commanded: "empower" and "push,push,push,push………………….." and when they died "waterfield,waterfield,waterfield". that was before hot meta.

LOL, I was talking about 3v3s to 5v5s and this guy counters with talking about yolo pushes and commanders and then gets upvoted.

/rolleyes

The zergling combat you participated in has nothing in common to small group combat, aside from using combo fields correctly for an advantage.

Oozo.7856 · May 25, 2018

@Dawdler.8521 said:
@intox.6347 said:
@Dawdler.8521 said:
@Dralor.3701 said:
@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:
@Dawdler.8521 said:
@Eloc Freidon.5692 said:Getting shut down by a Mirage sucked. It happened for a few hours. When caught off guard with a group you have a chance. But the second the Mirage came for me and the group I was with, we turned around because we didn't want to fight that. After several failed attempts to avoid as a group I went solo and roamed for the rest of my pip track away from the mirage.

Thats an acceptable way to solve the issue.

I do the same against spellbreakers.

I think even more people do that with scourges and spellbreakers :p

People run away from a solo scourge?More like walk due to constant fear and slow.

what exactly u play ? from what u write here... u got pretty owned by each roaming build.

And if you got owned by solo scourge... its something wrong on your side, or you play revenant.

I am curious about the reasoning behind your preconceptions from the given information in my posts.

If you are implying that there cant possibly be better players than me regardless of what class I play, its unfortunetly inaccurate.

Or if you are implying all scourges running solo have the intelligence of cockroaches and dont know what end of the staff they need to use when condi bombing because there are no good players on scourge, I think it would also be inaccurate.

You have to have a weakness in your build to have that much of a problem with scourges. Either not enough condition clear or not enough mobility to get out of the circles. Yeah, they are hard when have neither of things.

Dawdler.8521 · May 25, 2018

@Oozo.7856 said:
@Dawdler.8521 said:
@intox.6347 said:
@Dawdler.8521 said:
@Dralor.3701 said:
@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:
@Dawdler.8521 said:
@"Eloc Freidon.5692" said:Getting shut down by a Mirage sucked. It happened for a few hours. When caught off guard with a group you have a chance. But the second the Mirage came for me and the group I was with, we turned around because we didn't want to fight that. After several failed attempts to avoid as a group I went solo and roamed for the rest of my pip track away from the mirage.

Thats an acceptable way to solve the issue.

I do the same against spellbreakers.

I think even more people do that with scourges and spellbreakers :p

People run away from a solo scourge?More like walk due to constant fear and slow.

what exactly u play ? from what u write here... u got pretty owned by each roaming build.

And if you got owned by solo scourge... its something wrong on your side, or you play revenant.

I am curious about the reasoning behind your preconceptions from the given information in my posts.

If you are implying that there cant possibly be better players than me regardless of what class I play, its unfortunetly inaccurate.

Or if you are implying all scourges running solo have the intelligence of cockroaches and dont know what end of the staff they need to use when condi bombing because there are no good players on scourge, I think it would also be inaccurate.

You have to have a weakness in your build to have that much of a problem with scourges. Either not enough condition clear or not enough mobility to get out of the circles. Yeah, they are hard when have neither of things.Is there any build on any class that

dont

have a weakness to something? I can kill bad scourges with ease. But if you want the full lowdown on how

I

percieve classes from

my

mirage build for

my

skill level:

Guardians - Bad guards die in seconds or get sustained down due to no damage and being bad at tanking, mediocre guards are generally still not a threat and good guards are either really good (usually DH roamers) or carried by the meta zerg spec that is incredibly hard to bring down alone when they know what they are doing, but that's really no threat at all so "good" is a matter of perspective.

Revenants - Bad revs are... very bad. Very very bad. They drop like rocks. I cant even describe the builds. Mediocre revs on lazy zerg hammer specs can be easily dispatched due to squishiness, but can be dangerous if they catch you with their rofltomp damage skills. Good revs on such things as sword/sword duelist specs are incredibly rare but can be quite the threat due to the double life (ie heal) and actually bringing pressure to use it. If they pop that and fail to do damage they are dead meat.

Warriors - Really bad warriors get chomped down in seconds, mediocre ones are killable but oh so easily carried by hp regen at zerker class damage and the really good warriors are nearly impossible to kill unless we are 3v1. I once dueled one for about 10 minutes before we both gave up and parted ways.

Engineer - Bad engineers are killed with ease, as is mediocre ones. The good ones though... holos is one of the more dangerous duelists due their constant knockdowns. Unlike warriors, I cant say they are carried by anything. Good holos are really tough and bad holos are really bad. Due to the amount one meet there is more of the former, bad ones stop playing early I think so chances are very high its a good one that knows what he's doing.

Ranger - Oh lord dont get me talking about bad rangers. They drop in seconds on their own rapid fire and are of no use. Mediocre rangers is still a minor threat. Good rangers are either the really good soulbeasts that use unblockables against my build (or they die) or druids carried by their bunker specs, though those druids are only really dangerous in groups.

Thief - Bad thieves are hilarious as they die in the first teleport in or are close to it. Mediocre thieves can be dangerous, but are usually just surviving by exploting stealth/teleports and generally fall flat eventually. Good thieves can be dangerous but I'm pretty much specced to handle them. They have to be really good to be a threat.

Elementalist - Bad eles are absolutely zero threat. Zero damage, zero survivability unless covered by a zerg and I can still instantly kill one in the middle of a zerg. Mediocre eles... dont really exist? Meh well its often hard to tell the difference from bad ones and slightly better ones. Not a threat either way. The really good ones on good duel specs however are a major threat cause they can get carried by sustain but just like holos I cant really fault their class. Good eles are simply good. Zerker zerg eles are just lucky when they kill you.

Mesmers - Bad mesmers dont stand a chance. Mediocre mesmers... meh. Just like eles, I find it hard to define a difference between bad and mediocre ones. The good mesmers have to be really good to be any major threat but fortunetly most are highly predictable. Carried by clone squirting? I put that on equal footing as a mediocre warrior carried by hp regen. Again just like the really good holos and the really good eles when it comes to roaming encounters, the good ones are good because its a higher chance of meeting them over bad ones when you finally meet that... one... maybe two mesmers in a 2h sitting.

Necromancer - Bad necros are sitting ducks. Mediocre necros, now here comes one of the few classes that really gets carried by meta spec. They dont have to be good to fight me - just get one spam bomb in at the right time, even if I am specced with all the condi cleanse a mesmer can have. Unlike holos, eles and mesmers where you meet like a couple good ones in a 2h sitting, mediocre necros are every other encounter. Killable? Yes. Sometimes with ease, sometimes its a lengthy ranged fight. The more they are the worse it becomes as a group of necros simply deny all movement near them. The good ones are very rare but often instead on easy distinguisable builds that's not carried by trailblazer/dire and they can be a major threat if they know how to fight mesmers, while at the same time being easier to fight if they dont. Necro is kind of funny that way.

So yeah you are correct. I might have a weakness in my build. But then again if anyone have a problem with mesmers I would argue they also have a weakness in their build. Cause I have seen all the classes kill me when its good players on good builds, just like I've killed all of them. And I've seen players I could barely scratch in a 1v1 duel while they are bringing me down (such as really good eles on cellofrag type duel builds, or really good warriors that you cant even get through the hp regen on while they take half your hp on each attack) get chomped down in seconds by a full condi scourge. Weaknesses exist, yes. That's how the game works. People seems to have a weakness to mesmers in every build they run for some reason. Bad builds I guess? I barely even meet any good mesmers in the field.

Dralor.3701 · May 25, 2018

Every class seems to agree mesmer is the best 1v1 by a large margin (is his even disputable at this point?).

Arguing otherwise would be like me saying scourge isn’t the undisputed master of blob fights, we can all agree this is true.

I have literally seen mirages dive into a zerg (or 5-10man group) and blow someone up+stomp, and get away. Can you tell us any other class is close to capable of doing something like that?

Optimator.3589 · May 25, 2018

OP, if you're losing 5v1 to anything, you may need to reevaluate your build and/or your group comp. Even Yumi generally loses(dies or has to run) if 3 or more players with appropriate roaming specs go after him, and he's one of the best mesmers I've seen.

If you choose to roam with a zerg spec, expect not to do so well.

Pinko.2076 · May 25, 2018

don't worry Anet will keep nerfing base and chrono power in order to address mirage power

best balancing staff ever

Zero.3871 · May 25, 2018

@Oozo.7856 said:
@Zero.3871 said:
@Oozo.7856 said:I disagree somewhat. GW2 has never been a good 1v1 or 2v2 game, but it has been a good 3v3-5v5 game. Things started to go downhill with HoT.

game was still BS in balance before hot. 50%+ of every wvw zerg were Guardians...everyone just yolo pushed all the day. only People that like that days are skilless People that missing perma uncounterable stability and skilless Guardian tome 1 spam….

99% of commanders at that time just commanded: "empower" and "push,push,push,push………………….." and when they died "waterfield,waterfield,waterfield". that was before hot meta.

LOL, I was talking about 3v3s to 5v5s and this guy counters with talking about yolo pushes and commanders and then gets upvoted.

/rolleyes

The zergling combat you participated in has nothing in common to small group combat, aside from using combo fields correctly for an advantage.

what was better in roaming before hot?

warrior were already OP at that time, same for mesmers or some condi engis that ez 1v 5 because of nadespammes. other classes like necros were never found in roaming because they lack in stability or something else...

its just funny to see how People ever were unsatisfied because of metas, but start praising metas that were before 5 years just because they dont remember the Problems which there were also in the past. just remember years when DD ele dominated everything. was it better? no.

Oozo.7856 · May 25, 2018

I'm not sure how a mirage can be consistenly losing to a scourge if they have EM, jaunt and blink. You wouldn't even need GS, you would just dip in and out on them. My mirage build has a really bad weakness against scourge since I don't run jaunt and I'm using double axe mh, so all my damage has to be done at melee range and I still manage to kill them by dipping in/out on them. Hint, I only dip in when I have evade and/or axe 3 up. If I get caught, I use blink/stealth to get out of danger.

Scourge has a weakness. It can be kited and killed at range. Mesmer has no weakness. Mesmer has an answer for everything.

Oozo.7856 · May 25, 2018

Warriors are only carried by healing regen if you are letting them land bursts on you. Don't let them do that. Healing signet alone can't keep a warrior up. That is the weakness of a warrior using signet and regen from landing bursts. They aren't as effective in a 1v1 against a player good at avoiding those attacks.

Oozo.7856 · May 25, 2018

When a revenant uses glint heal stop hitting them and play defensively (kite, blink away, stealth..). Once that heal is gone, almost any revenant you come across is easy to kill as a mirage. If you stand toe to toe with them, taking damage while you are healing them that's on you, not them.

BlueMelody.6398 · May 26, 2018

@"Oozo.7856" said:Warriors are only carried by healing regen if you are letting them land bursts on you. Don't let them do that. Healing signet alone can't keep a warrior up. That is the weakness of a warrior using signet and regen from landing bursts. They aren't as effective in a 1v1 against a player good at avoiding those attacks.

I don't even use the signet because I don't die to ticking or piecemeal damage, I virtually always die to quick bursts and the healing signet is useless against that. I don't get why people always talk about the "warrior regen" when it does nothing against 10K bursts hitting while your defenses are on cd.

Oozo.7856 · May 26, 2018

@BlueMelody.6398 said:
@Oozo.7856 said:Warriors are only carried by healing regen if you are letting them land bursts on you. Don't let them do that. Healing signet alone can't keep a warrior up. That is the weakness of a warrior using signet and regen from landing bursts. They aren't as effective in a 1v1 against a player good at avoiding those attacks.

I don't even use the signet because I don't die to ticking or piecemeal damage, I virtually always die to quick bursts and the healing signet is useless against that. I don't get why people always talk about the "warrior regen" when it does nothing against 10K bursts hitting while your defenses are on cd.

It's really good for fighting multiple people who don't know how to do damage and don't know how to avoid attacks. ;)

@Zero.3871 said:
@Oozo.7856 said:
@Zero.3871 said:
@Oozo.7856 said:I disagree somewhat. GW2 has never been a good 1v1 or 2v2 game, but it has been a good 3v3-5v5 game. Things started to go downhill with HoT.

game was still BS in balance before hot. 50%+ of every wvw zerg were Guardians...everyone just yolo pushed all the day. only People that like that days are skilless People that missing perma uncounterable stability and skilless Guardian tome 1 spam….

99% of commanders at that time just commanded: "empower" and "push,push,push,push………………….." and when they died "waterfield,waterfield,waterfield". that was before hot meta.

LOL, I was talking about 3v3s to 5v5s and this guy counters with talking about yolo pushes and commanders and then gets upvoted.

/rolleyes

The zergling combat you participated in has nothing in common to small group combat, aside from using combo fields correctly for an advantage.

what was better in roaming before hot?

warrior were already OP at that time, same for mesmers or some condi engis that ez 1v 5 because of nadespammes. other classes like necros were never found in roaming because they lack in stability or something else...

its just funny to see how People ever were unsatisfied because of metas, but start praising metas that were before 5 years just because they dont remember the Problems which there were also in the past. just remember years when DD ele dominated everything. was it better? no.

I used to solo roam as condition necro and power necro all the time and did quite well. The downside was never being able to escape zergs or fights where you were outnumbered by good players. .

Dawdler.8521 · May 26, 2018

@Oozo.7856 said:I used to solo roam as condition necro and power necro all the time and did quite well.

Clearly fake videos as people here state there are no good necros and and even the worst of players can kite them to death with ease.

Zero.3871 · May 26, 2018

@Oozo.7856 said:
@BlueMelody.6398 said:
@Oozo.7856 said:Warriors are only carried by healing regen if you are letting them land bursts on you. Don't let them do that. Healing signet alone can't keep a warrior up. That is the weakness of a warrior using signet and regen from landing bursts. They aren't as effective in a 1v1 against a player good at avoiding those attacks.

I don't even use the signet because I don't die to ticking or piecemeal damage, I virtually always die to quick bursts and the healing signet is useless against that. I don't get why people always talk about the "warrior regen" when it does nothing against 10K bursts hitting while your defenses are on cd.

It's really good for fighting multiple people who don't know how to do damage and don't know how to avoid attacks. ;)

@Zero.3871 said:
@Oozo.7856 said:
@Zero.3871 said:
@Oozo.7856 said:I disagree somewhat. GW2 has never been a good 1v1 or 2v2 game, but it has been a good 3v3-5v5 game. Things started to go downhill with HoT.

game was still BS in balance before hot. 50%+ of every wvw zerg were Guardians...everyone just yolo pushed all the day. only People that like that days are skilless People that missing perma uncounterable stability and skilless Guardian tome 1 spam….

99% of commanders at that time just commanded: "empower" and "push,push,push,push………………….." and when they died "waterfield,waterfield,waterfield". that was before hot meta.

LOL, I was talking about 3v3s to 5v5s and this guy counters with talking about yolo pushes and commanders and then gets upvoted.

/rolleyes

The zergling combat you participated in has nothing in common to small group combat, aside from using combo fields correctly for an advantage.

what was better in roaming before hot?

warrior were already OP at that time, same for mesmers or some condi engis that ez 1v 5 because of nadespammes. other classes like necros were never found in roaming because they lack in stability or something else...

its just funny to see how People ever were unsatisfied because of metas, but start praising metas that were before 5 years just because they dont remember the Problems which there were also in the past. just remember years when DD ele dominated everything. was it better? no.

I used to solo roam as condition necro and power necro all the time and did quite well. The downside was never being able to escape zergs or fights where you were outnumbered by

good

players. .

and when you fought 1 warrior which perma stun you you never had a Chance....

apharma.3741 · May 26, 2018

@Dawdler.8521 said:
@Oozo.7856 said:
@Dawdler.8521 said:
@intox.6347 said:
@Dawdler.8521 said:
@Dralor.3701 said:
@Bigpapasmurf.5623 said:
@Dawdler.8521 said:
@"Eloc Freidon.5692" said:Getting shut down by a Mirage sucked. It happened for a few hours. When caught off guard with a group you have a chance. But the second the Mirage came for me and the group I was with, we turned around because we didn't want to fight that. After several failed attempts to avoid as a group I went solo and roamed for the rest of my pip track away from the mirage.