LucianDK.8615 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Sounds like the old trait didnt get properly removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerrylix.5234 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 @"ventusthunder.5067" said:Also important to note that the new Hardening Persistence is flat out worse than the old one in terms of damage reduction.Another useless ripoff for the herald. It's my main character and playstyle and i am just mad at the incompetence of the guys that made the changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Kind of feeling the loss of F2 and its buffs, especially losing out on Protection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneQR.7412 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Thw condi remove on shield made me laugh harder than it should.Common 1,freaking 1 condi on 15-25 s CD? Make it atleast two maan.And stunbreak on ventaris true nature would've been great. Otherwise i have to test first how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
penguin.9271 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 whats the dmg reduction on dwarf f2 passive? how many %? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeyspit.3965 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Jalis F2 in WvW sounds like a nice upgrade, as more stab is always good. But Glint man...F2 is just flat out boring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianTheAngelic.7054 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 @penguin.9271 said:whats the dmg reduction on dwarf f2 passive? how many %?There aren't currently any numbers in game for any of the Facet of Nature passives >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 Facet of Nature- Assassin (WvW): ~ 130-140 damage on power herald, 87 healing (50 healing power), seems to have icd presumably 1sec. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeyspit.3965 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 At first glance though, this really does kill off Glint's usefulness in WvW, regardless if you're zerging or roaming.Why would you want +Concentration vs Shiro Life Siphon / Boon strip or Jalis DR / Stability. Seems like a no brainer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dace.8173 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 @Clownmug.8357 said:Nice changes, though they make Renegade seem more worthless now. :/ I was afraid that might happen. :( I'll give it a try this evening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianTheAngelic.7054 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 @Justine.6351 said:Facet of Nature- Assassin (WvW): ~ 130-140 damage on power herald, 87 healing (50 healing power), seems to have icd presumably 1sec.yeah definitely has an ICD of at least .5s Precision strike on the same target only procs it once. With Marauder amulet and Leadership runes it was doing 106 damage in the pvp lobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 *Rising Momentum: Respects movement speed caps granting little increase outside of combat and nearly matching movement speed of superspeed in combat when all pips are used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blocki.4931 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 @Turkeyspit.3965 said:Jalis F2 in WvW sounds like a nice upgrade, as more stab is always good. But Glint man...F2 is just flat out boring.It's 10%.@gerrylix.5234 said:@"ventusthunder.5067" said:Also important to note that the new Hardening Persistence is flat out worse than the old one in terms of damage reduction.Another useless ripoff for the herald. It's my main character and playstyle and i am just mad at the incompetence of the guys that made the changes.Can't imagine unironically saying this.. it's much better than before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
otto.5684 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 As far as I can tell, it seems the same in PvE and a nerf in sPvP to power build. Of all these changes, the only thing I was looking forward to was changes to shield and condi removal. No change and 1 condi removal when traited. Epic fail... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buran.3796 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 @Turkeyspit.3965 said:At first glance though, this really does kill off Glint's usefulness in WvW, regardless if you're zerging or roaming.Why would you want +Concentration vs Shiro Life Siphon / Boon strip or Jalis DR / Stability. Seems like a no brainer.Because Glint has more cc and AoE cleave, and better tools overal for fighting against humans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianDK.8615 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 How is the Glint legend considered in pve now? Does it still hold up? Traitwise rev still seems fairly solid with some improvements here and there.Shield unfortunately still seems to be weaksauce, noone will want to carry it as long staff 5 remains so good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkeyspit.3965 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 @Buran.3796 said:@Turkeyspit.3965 said:At first glance though, this really does kill off Glint's usefulness in WvW, regardless if you're zerging or roaming.Why would you want +Concentration vs Shiro Life Siphon / Boon strip or Jalis DR / Stability. Seems like a no brainer.Because Glint has more cc and AoE cleave, and better tools overal for fighting against humans.I'm afraid you'll need to expand on that for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Set.7461 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 All of Glint's facets are consume skills but F2's True Nature is not for some reason. This makes Shining Aspect useless outside of Glint. > @Turkeyspit.3965 said:Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with all other movement speed increases.Does this mean we can attain 'super speed' status, as in above 33%? I don't understand the purpose of this given we have Facet of Elements.I've tested this. My initial impression is that it does not go over 33% swiftness speed. It also does not ignore in-combat speed like superspeed does. The only use I can think of is pairing it with Jalis/mallyx/ventari and activating the upkeeps. Anything with Shiro or Glint greatly diminishes the usefulness of that trait. Pretty garbage trait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucianDK.8615 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 Sounds like a bug if it doesnt stack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clownmug.8357 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 @Set.7461 said:All of Glint's facets are consume skills but F2's True Nature is not for some reason. This makes Shining Aspect useless outside of Glint. > @Turkeyspit.3965 said:Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with all other movement speed increases.Does this mean we can attain 'super speed' status, as in above 33%? I don't understand the purpose of this given we have Facet of Elements.I've tested this. My initial impression is that it does not go over 33% swiftness speed. It also does not ignore in-combat speed like superspeed does. The only use I can think of is pairing it with Jalis/mallyx/ventari and activating the upkeeps. Anything with Shiro or Glint greatly diminishes the usefulness of that trait. Pretty garbage trait.Yup, it's just a filler trait so they can have all traits based upkeep on the same line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 @Set.7461 said:All of Glint's facets are consume skills but F2's True Nature is not for some reason. This makes Shining Aspect useless outside of Glint. > @Turkeyspit.3965 said:Rising Momentum: This trait has replaced Hardening Persistence as an adept tier trait and grants the revenant a 5% increased movement speed for each point of upkeep they are using. The movement speed granted by this trait stacks with all other movement speed increases.Does this mean we can attain 'super speed' status, as in above 33%? I don't understand the purpose of this given we have Facet of Elements.I've tested this. My initial impression is that it does not go over 33% swiftness speed. It also does not ignore in-combat speed like superspeed does. The only use I can think of is pairing it with Jalis/mallyx/ventari and activating the upkeeps. Anything with Shiro or Glint greatly diminishes the usefulness of that trait. Pretty garbage trait.I am pretty sure it does improve movement speed in combat. My testing showed that with swiftness and all 10 pips of upkeep was almost superspeed levels. Although my testing was crude, it did look to be so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Set.7461 Posted August 28, 2018 Share Posted August 28, 2018 @Justine.6351 said:I am pretty sure it does improve movement speed in combat. My testing showed that with swiftness and all 10 pips of upkeep was almost superspeed levels. Although my testing was crude, it did look to be so.You're right, I tried it again and yes, it's pretty close to superspeed. -10 upkeep is expensive though. I'll reserve final judgement after playing with these traits for a bit. Now the real question is if it stacks with superspeed. My eyeballs can't tell a difference but if it does, it would be worth taking for escaping. If some has a more scientific test for that, please share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted August 28, 2018 Author Share Posted August 28, 2018 @Set.7461 said:@"Justine.6351" said:I am pretty sure it does improve movement speed in combat. My testing showed that with swiftness and all 10 pips of upkeep was almost superspeed levels. Although my testing was crude, it did look to be so.You're right, I tried it again and yes, it's pretty close to superspeed. -10 upkeep is expensive though. I'll reserve final judgement after playing with these traits for a bit. Now the real question is if it stacks with superspeed. My eyeballs can't tell a difference but if it does, it would be worth taking for escaping. If some has a more scientific test for that, please share.it doesnt stack with superspeed as superspeed caps out player movement speed with 100%https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Movement_SpeedThe value in this trait is more or less to improve swiftness speed in combat or to aid those builds not utilizing herald for easy swiftness access. For example, mallyx/jalis/ventari in some combination, excluding shiro as its upkeep comes with superspeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justine.6351 Posted August 29, 2018 Author Share Posted August 29, 2018 Updated OP with what we know and what I've tested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infusion.7149 Posted August 29, 2018 Share Posted August 29, 2018 @Klypto.1703 said:Crystal Hibernation needs to lose the please kill me stationary feature.was surprised about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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