Can we get some clarification about War Eternal?

[Kylden Ar.3724]

@Ashantara.8731 said:

@Fenom.9457 said:Wow. I have no words. How can they possibly justify this?

They

did

justify it in the latest dev statement, where it was made

very

clear that they will discontinue their habit of releasing unfinished, unpolished content, even if that means that some releases will take longer.

And I'd prefer it frankly that it come late and finished and good rather than the steaming pile of kitten crap that some of the prior releases have been.

[Kylden Ar.3724]

[Duplicate] dumb phone.

[b k.1648]

The purchase 'deliveries' are not confirmed anywhere to coincide with other content releases. I'm not sure why you'd assume they do.

[Healix.5819]

@Etria.3642 said:I thought the 'normal' release schedule was supposed to be 2-3 months?

That was their schedule back in season 3, which they had hoped to keep for season 4. It wasn't realistic however, since it was taking them an extra 3 months to develop the higher quality episodes, meaning 3 months between them was the best case scenario. Season 5 will likely get back on track however and potentially be even quicker.

[zealex.9410]

@"Ben K.6238" said:The purchase 'deliveries' are not confirmed anywhere to coincide with other content releases. I'm not sure why you'd assume they do.

Ofc, its assumption, much like ppl assumed that ep6 wouldnt come out during the welcome back to gw2 innitiative.

Some ppl assumed that ep6 would come out next week, others in 2 weeks, anet never really says anything to confirm or not.

The theme of this update is to "prepare for war with kralk", thats what purpose the new item serves, so it could be safe to assume that the next episode could release at the end of it when preparations are complete.

Im just asking for some clarification.

[Ashantara.8731]

@zealex.9410 said:Out of the last season i believe only one episode had problems of this scale.

When you read ex-employees' statements on how they couldn't do last episode's final mission the way they wanted to, but had to compromise and rewrite in order to get it done this way, I can tell you that there was something wrong in terms of schedule and the pressure of following orders. Art can't be rushed.

[ugrakarma.9416]

I do not mind waiting as long the delays means more quality and new content. for me they can take another 3, 4 months. pls Anet, dont rush.

[zealex.9410]

@Ashantara.8731 said:

@"zealex.9410" said:Out of the last season i believe only one episode had problems of this scale.

When you read ex-employees' statements on how they couldn't do last episode's final mission the way they wanted to, but had to compromise and rewrite in order to get it done

this

way, I can tell you that there

was

something wrong in terms of schedule and the pressure of following orders. Art can't be rushed.

Im pretty sure those claims were based on the knowledge that the teams were also getting smaller as more and more ppl were being moved to the unannounced projects.

Im not disagreeing, i dont think it good to rush art out the door, but this isn't an unreleased sp rpg where the devs will go "when its ready" and it will end there, this is an mmo rpg, a live service game which needs to balance art and a schedule.

They need to remember that these updates are the lifeblood of the game and it needs them to not grow too stale and die off. Ppl dont want the next big thing that will revolutionize mmos, not if its gonna bring long periods of staleness to the game.

If they want to do that then they can have it on the background as their big long term project while on the mainfront they work and push out good updates on a timely maner, like most other competent studios.

[Zaklex.6308]

@zealex.9410 said:

@"Ben K.6238" said:The purchase 'deliveries' are not confirmed anywhere to coincide with other content releases. I'm not sure why you'd assume they do.

Ofc, its assumption, much like ppl assumed that ep6 wouldnt come out during the welcome back to gw2 innitiative.

Some ppl assumed that ep6 would come out next week, others in 2 weeks, anet never really says anything to confirm or not.

The theme of this update is to "prepare for war with kralk", thats what purpose the new item serves, so it could be safe to assume that the next episode could release at the end of it when preparations are complete.

Im just asking for some clarification.

For those of you looking for the relevant information regarding future content release I will quote it here directly from the roadmap, the most important part is in bold and italisized:

"Content teams will have more flexibility to decide what makes sense for a given release—for example, we could focus on expanding the boundaries and content of an existing map if that would provide a better experience than creating a new one. Ultimately, this will mean a relatively steady release of new content that will allow us to continue telling the story of Tyria in exciting new ways.

The Next Few Months~snip~

We’re in the process of wrapping up Episode 6 now, and we’re excited to not only announce a release date, but also to play the finale alongside all of you. It won’t fall within the two-to-three-month window that we tried to target throughout Season 4 because of the adjustments we had to make in February, but stay tuned—more info is coming soon.**We’re currently adding more polish to the final encounter in the next raid, which continues the story of Qadim and will get its own release after Episode 6. We’re utilizing one of the new team’s efforts to build some additional small-scale open world content so all of our players will have something to celebrate with the release of the raid."

If that isn't clear enough without them actually including dates(which seems highly unlikely until they have an actual release date), then there's nothing that will satisfy you.

[zealex.9410]

@Zaklex.6308 said:

@zealex.9410 said:

@"Ben K.6238" said:The purchase 'deliveries' are not confirmed anywhere to coincide with other content releases. I'm not sure why you'd assume they do.

Ofc, its assumption, much like ppl assumed that ep6 wouldnt come out during the welcome back to gw2 innitiative.

Some ppl assumed that ep6 would come out next week, others in 2 weeks, anet never really says anything to confirm or not.

The theme of this update is to "prepare for war with kralk", thats what purpose the new item serves, so it could be safe to assume that the next episode could release at the end of it when preparations are complete.

Im just asking for some clarification.

For those of you looking for the relevant information regarding future content release I will quote it here directly from the roadmap, the most important part is in bold and underlined:

"Content teams will have more flexibility to decide what makes sense for a given release—for example, we could focus on expanding the boundaries and content of an existing map if that would provide a better experience than creating a new one. Ultimately, this will mean a relatively steady release of new content that will allow us to continue telling the story of Tyria in exciting new ways.

The Next Few Months~snip~

We’re in the process of wrapping up Episode 6 now, and we’re excited to not only announce a release date, but also to play the finale alongside all of you. It won’t fall within the two-to-three-month window that we tried to target throughout Season 4 because of the adjustments we had to make in February, but stay tuned—more info is coming soon.

We’re currently adding more polish to the final encounter in the next raid, which continues the story of Qadim and will get its own release after Episode 6. We’re utilizing one of the new team’s efforts to build some additional small-scale open world content so all of our players will have something to celebrate with the release of the raid."

If that isn't clear enough without them actually including dates(which seems highly unlikely until they have an actual release date), then there's nothing that will satisfy you.

That the episode would be delayed is common knowledge, the point is that the extent this episode is being delayed might be abit extreme. The episode is already 22 days off the target.

[Trise.2865]

@zealex.9410 said:

@Zaklex.6308 said:

@zealex.9410 said:

@"Ben K.6238" said:The purchase 'deliveries' are not confirmed anywhere to coincide with other content releases. I'm not sure why you'd assume they do.

Ofc, its assumption, much like ppl assumed that ep6 wouldnt come out during the welcome back to gw2 innitiative.

Some ppl assumed that ep6 would come out next week, others in 2 weeks, anet never really says anything to confirm or not.

The theme of this update is to "prepare for war with kralk", thats what purpose the new item serves, so it could be safe to assume that the next episode could release at the end of it when preparations are complete.

Im just asking for some clarification.

For those of you looking for the relevant information regarding future content release I will quote it here directly from the roadmap, the most important part is in bold and underlined:

"Content teams will have more flexibility to decide what makes sense for a given release—for example, we could focus on expanding the boundaries and content of an existing map if that would provide a better experience than creating a new one. Ultimately, this will mean a relatively steady release of new content that will allow us to continue telling the story of Tyria in exciting new ways.

The Next Few Months~snip~

We’re in the process of wrapping up Episode 6 now, and we’re excited to not only announce a release date, but also to play the finale alongside all of you. It won’t fall within the two-to-three-month window that we tried to target throughout Season 4 because of the adjustments we had to make in February, but stay tuned—more info is coming soon.

We’re currently adding more polish to the final encounter in the next raid, which continues the story of Qadim and will get its own release after Episode 6. We’re utilizing one of the new team’s efforts to build some additional small-scale open world content so all of our players will have something to celebrate with the release of the raid."

If that isn't clear enough without them actually including dates(which seems highly unlikely until they have an actual release date), then there's nothing that will satisfy you.

That the episode would be delayed is common knowledge, the point is that the extent this episode is being delayed might be abit extreme. The episode is already 22 days off the target.

You have no concept of coding and software development.

[zealex.9410]

@Trise.2865 said:

@zealex.9410 said:

@Zaklex.6308 said:

@zealex.9410 said:

@"Ben K.6238" said:The purchase 'deliveries' are not confirmed anywhere to coincide with other content releases. I'm not sure why you'd assume they do.

Ofc, its assumption, much like ppl assumed that ep6 wouldnt come out during the welcome back to gw2 innitiative.

Some ppl assumed that ep6 would come out next week, others in 2 weeks, anet never really says anything to confirm or not.

The theme of this update is to "prepare for war with kralk", thats what purpose the new item serves, so it could be safe to assume that the next episode could release at the end of it when preparations are complete.

Im just asking for some clarification.

For those of you looking for the relevant information regarding future content release I will quote it here directly from the roadmap, the most important part is in bold and underlined:

"Content teams will have more flexibility to decide what makes sense for a given release—for example, we could focus on expanding the boundaries and content of an existing map if that would provide a better experience than creating a new one. Ultimately, this will mean a relatively steady release of new content that will allow us to continue telling the story of Tyria in exciting new ways.

The Next Few Months~snip~

We’re in the process of wrapping up Episode 6 now, and we’re excited to not only announce a release date, but also to play the finale alongside all of you. It won’t fall within the two-to-three-month window that we tried to target throughout Season 4 because of the adjustments we had to make in February, but stay tuned—more info is coming soon.

We’re currently adding more polish to the final encounter in the next raid, which continues the story of Qadim and will get its own release after Episode 6. We’re utilizing one of the new team’s efforts to build some additional small-scale open world content so all of our players will have something to celebrate with the release of the raid."

If that isn't clear enough without them actually including dates(which seems highly unlikely until they have an actual release date), then there's nothing that will satisfy you.

That the episode would be delayed is common knowledge, the point is that the extent this episode is being delayed might be abit extreme. The episode is already 22 days off the target.

You have no concept of coding and software development.

Idd i dont, i dont need it to know what the devs have said and where we are now.

[b k.1648]

@"zealex.9410" said:Ofc, its assumption, much like ppl assumed that ep6 wouldnt come out during the welcome back to gw2 innitiative.

Some ppl assumed that ep6 would come out next week, others in 2 weeks, anet never really says anything to confirm or not.

The theme of this update is to "prepare for war with kralk", thats what purpose the new item serves, so it could be safe to assume that the next episode could release at the end of it when preparations are complete.

Im just asking for some clarification.

You could assume that, but whether the assumption is safe is another question entirely.

Generally it's ideal to release new microtransactions following the announcement of upcoming content, without too much of a gap until the release date. This is because players tend to buy cosmetics like that in anticipation of using them when they come back for the new release, and if you wait too long after releasing a new range of mount skins and a variety of other goodies before announcing the new content, you've missed the boat.

Then again, we've already had spring sales etc. going on for a while with no announcements of any size to draw players back. The Skyscale was briefly teased somewhere but that's not significant enough on its own to stir much interest.

There is an ad campaign going on, and an introductory series being run, but there needs to be an answer to the question "why now?" for it to be particularly effective. And "why not?" isn't a good enough answer when you can point at competing MMOs who have major announced content coming up with actual release dates.

I don't think ANet will be unaware of any of this, which is why I'm leaning towards an announcement within the next week, with the War Eternal supply drops intended to be ongoing before and after the release. In my opinion though, it would have been more sensible to make it available for purchase at the same time as the announcement.

[AlexxxDelta.1806]

@Healix.5819 said:

@Etria.3642 said:I thought the 'normal' release schedule was supposed to be 2-3 months?

That was their schedule back in season 3, which they had hoped to keep for season 4. It wasn't realistic however, since it was taking them an extra 3 months to develop the higher quality episodes, meaning 3 months between them was the best case scenario. Season 5 will likely get back on track however and potentially be even quicker.

There is a whole lot of assumption in this. Do you have a dev quote claiming the 3 month release was unrealistic and the reasons for being so? Or a quote about Anet deciding to increase it for LS4?

Also the only thing we know about LS5 is that it will have fewer new maps. Definitely not a thing about the upcoming release schedule.

[Etria.3642]

@Zaklex.6308 said:

@zealex.9410 said:

@"Ben K.6238" said:The purchase 'deliveries' are not confirmed anywhere to coincide with other content releases. I'm not sure why you'd assume they do.

Ofc, its assumption, much like ppl assumed that ep6 wouldnt come out during the welcome back to gw2 innitiative.

Some ppl assumed that ep6 would come out next week, others in 2 weeks, anet never really says anything to confirm or not.

The theme of this update is to "prepare for war with kralk", thats what purpose the new item serves, so it could be safe to assume that the next episode could release at the end of it when preparations are complete.

Im just asking for some clarification.snip~snip~

We’re in the process of wrapping up Episode 6 now, and

we’re excited to not only announce a release date,

but also to play the finale alongside all of you. It won’t fall within the two-to-three-month window that we tried to target throughout Season 4 because of the adjustments we had to make in February, but stay tuned—more info is coming soon

.

**snip

So where is the release date?? They are playing the current episode right this week. Announce a date already!!

[Zaklex.6308]

@zealex.9410 said:

@Zaklex.6308 said:

@zealex.9410 said:

@"Ben K.6238" said:The purchase 'deliveries' are not confirmed anywhere to coincide with other content releases. I'm not sure why you'd assume they do.

Ofc, its assumption, much like ppl assumed that ep6 wouldnt come out during the welcome back to gw2 innitiative.

Some ppl assumed that ep6 would come out next week, others in 2 weeks, anet never really says anything to confirm or not.

The theme of this update is to "prepare for war with kralk", thats what purpose the new item serves, so it could be safe to assume that the next episode could release at the end of it when preparations are complete.

Im just asking for some clarification.

For those of you looking for the relevant information regarding future content release I will quote it here directly from the roadmap, the most important part is in bold and underlined:

"Content teams will have more flexibility to decide what makes sense for a given release—for example, we could focus on expanding the boundaries and content of an existing map if that would provide a better experience than creating a new one. Ultimately, this will mean a relatively steady release of new content that will allow us to continue telling the story of Tyria in exciting new ways.

The Next Few Months~snip~

We’re in the process of wrapping up Episode 6 now, and we’re excited to not only announce a release date, but also to play the finale alongside all of you. It won’t fall within the two-to-three-month window that we tried to target throughout Season 4 because of the adjustments we had to make in February, but stay tuned—more info is coming soon.

We’re currently adding more polish to the final encounter in the next raid, which continues the story of Qadim and will get its own release after Episode 6. We’re utilizing one of the new team’s efforts to build some additional small-scale open world content so all of our players will have something to celebrate with the release of the raid."

If that isn't clear enough without them actually including dates(which seems highly unlikely until they have an actual release date), then there's nothing that will satisfy you.

That the episode would be delayed is common knowledge, the point is that the extent this episode is being delayed might be abit extreme. The episode is already 22 days off the target.

Did you miss the part where it says that it won't fall within the 2 - 3 month window? Do you really need more clarification than that based on the layoffs and restructuring?

[AlexxxDelta.1806]

@Zaklex.6308 said:

@zealex.9410 said:

@Zaklex.6308 said:

@zealex.9410 said:

@"Ben K.6238" said:The purchase 'deliveries' are not confirmed anywhere to coincide with other content releases. I'm not sure why you'd assume they do.

Ofc, its assumption, much like ppl assumed that ep6 wouldnt come out during the welcome back to gw2 innitiative.

Some ppl assumed that ep6 would come out next week, others in 2 weeks, anet never really says anything to confirm or not.

The theme of this update is to "prepare for war with kralk", thats what purpose the new item serves, so it could be safe to assume that the next episode could release at the end of it when preparations are complete.

Im just asking for some clarification.

For those of you looking for the relevant information regarding future content release I will quote it here directly from the roadmap, the most important part is in bold and underlined:

"Content teams will have more flexibility to decide what makes sense for a given release—for example, we could focus on expanding the boundaries and content of an existing map if that would provide a better experience than creating a new one. Ultimately, this will mean a relatively steady release of new content that will allow us to continue telling the story of Tyria in exciting new ways.

The Next Few Months~snip~

We’re in the process of wrapping up Episode 6 now, and we’re excited to not only announce a release date, but also to play the finale alongside all of you. It won’t fall within the two-to-three-month window that we tried to target throughout Season 4 because of the adjustments we had to make in February, but stay tuned—more info is coming soon.

We’re currently adding more polish to the final encounter in the next raid, which continues the story of Qadim and will get its own release after Episode 6. We’re utilizing one of the new team’s efforts to build some additional small-scale open world content so all of our players will have something to celebrate with the release of the raid."

If that isn't clear enough without them actually including dates(which seems highly unlikely until they have an actual release date), then there's nothing that will satisfy you.

That the episode would be delayed is common knowledge, the point is that the extent this episode is being delayed might be abit extreme. The episode is already 22 days off the target.

Did you miss the part where it says that it won't fall within the 2 - 3 month window? Do you really need more clarification than that based on the layoffs and restructuring?

Reading that quote I couldn't help but wonder how many LS4 releases did fall within the 2-3 month target for this one to be an exception.

[Healix.5819]

@AlexxxDelta.1806 said:There is a whole lot of assumption in this. Do you have a dev quote claiming the 3 month release was unrealistic and the reasons for being so? Or a quote about Anet deciding to increase it for LS4?

Also the only thing we know about LS5 is that it will have fewer new maps. Definitely not a thing about the upcoming release schedule.

They never said it was unrealistic, nor that they were going to change it. They said the opposite, that they hoped to keep on the 2-3 month schedule. If you look at the data however, you'll realize that it's not just unrealistic, it's impossible. If they have 3 teams simultaneously working on 3 episode and take 10 months to complete them, what's the minimum amount of time between each episode to ensure a smooth schedule? Hint, it's not within the 2-3 month schedule.

As for season 5, there's now more people working on GW2 after the layoffs, so it should improve if only a little. Also, at the current rate, they'd probably be better off packaging it as a yearly expansion.

[AlexxxDelta.1806]

@Healix.5819 said:

@AlexxxDelta.1806 said:There is a whole lot of assumption in this. Do you have a dev quote claiming the 3 month release was unrealistic and the reasons for being so? Or a quote about Anet deciding to increase it for LS4?

Also the only thing we know about LS5 is that it will have fewer new maps. Definitely not a thing about the upcoming release schedule.

They never said it was unrealistic, nor that they were going to change it. They said the opposite, that they hoped to keep on the 2-3 month schedule. If you look at the data however, you'll realize that it's not just unrealistic, it's impossible. If they have 3 teams simultaneously working on 3 episode and take 10 months to complete them, what's the minimum amount of time between each episode to ensure a smooth schedule? Hint, it's not within the 2-3 month schedule.

As for season 5, there's now more people working on GW2 after the layoffs, so it should improve if only a little. Also, at the current rate, they'd probably be better off packaging it as a yearly expansion.

I have no data to look at about what is possible or not as I don't work for Anet. I can only go by what they are saying publicly and they obviously claim it is possible since they still insist on mentioning the 2-3 month window. If your assumption is right (because that's what it is) , then they should come out and say it clearly and communicate the new window, be it 3-4 months, 4-5 or whatever they deem possible. The reaction might be negative but at least it will put a stop to all this guesswork. Every decision of that nature has its consequences, there is no way around that.

[Alyster.9470]

Well, they could have at least post a trailer to make people get hyped a little and give them something to look forward to. Why do they have to put up the trailer literally 1 week before the release?

[Nemo.8759]

More time for high quality releases, but the sad facts in previous chapters tell us:More time (√)High quality (×)

[Dragon Priestess.9760]

I'd rather have a full and well polished product than a rushed and unfinished one. I don't care how long it takes.

I just can't understand why people would rather have content hastily rushed out the door in sacrifice of quality. Game development takes time.

[LucianDK.8615]

I suspect much of it is antsiness for the dragon mount.

[Bast.7253]

@Dragon Priestess.9760 said:I'd rather have a full and well polished product than a rushed and unfinished one. I don't care how long it takes.

I just can't understand why people would rather have content hastily rushed out the door in sacrifice of quality. Game development takes time.

Well, doubt, mostly. Kourna took substantially longer, and for most of the release day you still couldn't even hardly get into the map without crashing. On top of the various other issues with it. So, it's doubt that more time doesn't necessarily mean better quality. It just means, more time.

And there will always be unforeseen issues at release. No amount of extra time is going to guarantee that all of those will be resolved beforehand.

It's also just disappointment that, as many suspected, this welcome back series was going to be a prelude jumping into the next episode. But, given that Caithe's requiem hasn't been released, I kind of figured they were postponing for much longer than the 30th that people were anticipating.

Given that the package lasts 4 weeks, ending on.. May 14th? I wouldn't be surprised to see a trailer the 21st, and the episode on the 29th of May at the earliest.

[Linken.6345]

@Healix.5819 said:

@AlexxxDelta.1806 said:There is a whole lot of assumption in this. Do you have a dev quote claiming the 3 month release was unrealistic and the reasons for being so? Or a quote about Anet deciding to increase it for LS4?

Also the only thing we know about LS5 is that it will have fewer new maps. Definitely not a thing about the upcoming release schedule.

They never said it was unrealistic, nor that they were going to change it. They said the opposite, that they hoped to keep on the 2-3 month schedule. If you look at the data however, you'll realize that it's not just unrealistic, it's impossible. If they have 3 teams simultaneously working on 3 episode and take 10 months to complete them, what's the minimum amount of time between each episode to ensure a smooth schedule? Hint, it's not within the 2-3 month schedule.

As for season 5, there's now more people working on GW2 after the layoffs, so it should improve if only a little. Also, at the current rate, they'd probably be better off packaging it as a yearly expansion.

Dident they use to have 4 teams?