Khalisto.5780 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 let's list what's OP, OK or underpowered (UP), being OK the desired power levelthe vote is considering the strongest build available by that speccore ele UPtempest OPweaver OKcore mesmer OKchrono UPmirage OKcore necro OKreaper OKscourge UPranger OK some pets still OPdruid UPsoulbeast OKthiefnot sure what's overperforming wotu condi but that is OP, the power variations are ok not sure about DE stateengi UPscrapper OKholo OPwarrior Okberserker UPspellbreaker OKrev not sureherald OPrenegade it seems ok after patch/hotfix not sureGuardians in general need a nerf to their burn, after that they may be Ok and fb still OPweaver, power thief and core necro may come out stronger if every OP is properly nerfed along with FB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PfillBonBon.1928 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 Renegade has a lot of damage/cc but cant deal with pressure. Their performance in soloQ is completely random, better in duoq though. Herald isn't OP in soloQ, everybody plays something that can easilly deal with it. Core res doesnt eist. Core ranger is better than SB/druid.Druid is bad because if you want to go off thorn ult, they can easilly roll over trap drops to ignore the cc. Nobody cares about bunker druid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 nvm changed my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojciech.8024 Posted May 17, 2020 Share Posted May 17, 2020 And the purpose of such a list is....? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aelska.4609 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 @"Wojciech.8024" said:And the purpose of such a list is....?To prevent the balance team to continue the transversal work they started few months ago.It is too early for such a topic, we should encourage the devs to continue reshaping the game in a more healthy way. These QQ threads "nerf this buff that" bring nothing more than noise in this overall work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojciech.8024 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Then it should be way more complex. There is a huge difference between the same specialization in different game modes. Additionally reducing the complexity of each specialization to a statement OK or NOT OK (either way) defies the idea of the discussion entirely. If it is supposed to be a serious analysis it should come down to in-depth insight to the trait/stats-specific level. Otherwise, it can be summarized as "according to player X some classes require changes while other can stay as they are, while according to player Y different specs need a balance". Pretty much obvious conclusion that can be drawn for each player without making any list. Just like saying an obvious truth such as "it either rains or does not rain" - it is always a true statement, but does it clarify in any way what clothes to wear today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swagg.9236 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 WASD is UPScripted attacks and movements are OP.Runescape having more mind games and tech than GW2 is apparently OK.Hard CC in a game where attacks are aimed for you is pretty anti-fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 @Swagg.9236 said:Scripted attacks and movements are OP.Two words: tab targeting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swagg.9236 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 @Tayga.3192 said:@Swagg.9236 said:Scripted attacks and movements are OP.Two words: tab targetingYeah, it was a really hot meme to make a game in which you would feature manual aiming to some degree but then also just have tab targeting too like one wouldn't be inherently way stronger than the other with really nothing to balance the scales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Warrior - UPBerserker - UPSpellbreaker - Almost acceptable "but I feel it is the best model for what a balanced class should actually look like"Guardian - Acceptable "Lots of people complaining about condi but it's really not that big of a deal"Dragonhunter - AcceptableFirebrand - AcceptableRevenant - UPHerald - OP "Shiro too much damage for it's chase potential/target +ing power. Mallyx is too tanky"Renegade - Sometimes UP, sometimes OP "It's just all circumstantial. But Kalla is annoying and questionable to if it should ever be viable in pvp""Engineer - UPScrapper - AcceptableHolosmith - AcceptableRanger - AcceptableDruid - UPSoulbeast - UPThief - P/D is stupidly OP "Not even going to explain why. There are plenty of other threads currently discussing this build"Daredevil - AcceptableDeadeye - UPMesmer - UPChrono - UPMirage - UPElementalist - UPTempest - OP "It's the aura share, it's too much"Weaver - AcceptableNecromancer - AcceptableReaper - AcceptableScourge - UP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naxos.2503 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Warrior is Ok ? O.oReally ? Huh. I'll have to review my constant Invulnerability builds again, since it's acceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 My list:Ele UPTempest OPWeaver OPNecro OKReaper OKScourge UPMesmer OKChrono UPMirage OKWarrior UPBerserker UPSpellbreaker UPGuardian OPDragonhunter OKFirebrand OPRevenant OKHerold OPRenegade OPEngineer OKScrapper OPHolosmith OPRanger OPDruid UPSoulbeast OPThief OPDaredevil OKDeadeye OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 @DanAlcedo.3281 said:My list:Ele UPTempest OPWeaver OPNecro OKReaper OKScourge UPMesmer OKChrono UPMirage OKWarrior UPBerserker UPSpellbreaker UPGuardian OPDragonhunter OKFirebrand OPRevenant OKHerold OPRenegade OPEngineer OKScrapper OPHolosmith OPRanger OPDruid UPSoulbeast OPThief OPDaredevil OKDeadeye OKMost accurate so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugchriss.2046 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 @DanAlcedo.3281 said:My list:Ele UPTempest OPWeaver OPNecro OKReaper OKScourge UPMesmer OKChrono UPMirage OKWarrior UPBerserker UPSpellbreaker UPGuardian OPDragonhunter OKFirebrand OPRevenant OKHerold OPRenegade OPEngineer OKScrapper OPHolosmith OPRanger OPDruid UPSoulbeast OPThief OPDaredevil OKDeadeye OKso almost every class is ok/op except the class you play? That coincidence is too suspect bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotFound.7813 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said:Warrior - UPBerserker - UPSpellbreaker - Almost acceptable "but I feel it is the best model for what a balanced class should actually look like"Guardian - Acceptable "Lots of people complaining about condi but it's really not that big of a deal"Dragonhunter - AcceptableFirebrand - AcceptableRevenant - UPHerald - OP "Shiro too much damage for it's chase potential/target +ing power. Mallyx is too tanky"Renegade - Sometimes UP, sometimes OP "It's just all circumstantial. But Kalla is annoying and questionable to if it should ever be viable in pvp""Engineer - UPScrapper - AcceptableHolosmith - AcceptableRanger - AcceptableDruid - UPSoulbeast - UPThief - P/D is stupidly OP "Not even going to explain why. There are plenty of other threads currently discussing this build"Daredevil - AcceptableDeadeye - UPMesmer - UPChrono - UPMirage - UPElementalist - UPTempest - OP "It's the aura share, it's too much"Weaver - AcceptableNecromancer - AcceptableReaper - AcceptableScourge - UPStill dont know what game do u play xd ,ranger is one of the best sidenoders this meta xd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 @Eugchriss.2046 said:@DanAlcedo.3281 said:My list:Ele UPTempest OPWeaver OPNecro OKReaper OKScourge UPMesmer OKChrono UPMirage OKWarrior UPBerserker UPSpellbreaker UPGuardian OPDragonhunter OKFirebrand OPRevenant OKHerold OPRenegade OPEngineer OKScrapper OPHolosmith OPRanger OPDruid UPSoulbeast OPThief OPDaredevil OKDeadeye OKso almost every class is ok/op except the class you play? That coincidence is too suspect bro.I dont play Warrior in PvP and do you think Warrior is ok in this meta? I the last 240 Games i played i can count the number of warrios on one hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VICBEAR.1529 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 What does it all mean? OP, UP? I do not understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliamRationem.5172 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 @Eugchriss.2046 said:@DanAlcedo.3281 said:My list:Ele UPTempest OPWeaver OPNecro OKReaper OKScourge UPMesmer OKChrono UPMirage OKWarrior UPBerserker UPSpellbreaker UPGuardian OPDragonhunter OKFirebrand OPRevenant OKHerold OPRenegade OPEngineer OKScrapper OPHolosmith OPRanger OPDruid UPSoulbeast OPThief OPDaredevil OKDeadeye OKso almost every class is ok/op except the class you play? That coincidence is too suspect bro.LoL I was thinking the same as I read that list. But hey, we were asked for our opinions! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axl.8924 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 I wouldn't trust anyone here unless they main a class, reason being: Bias.Like a player who hates guardian/warrior/mesmer/thief will say they are op no matter what and only say they are possibly balanced when they are not viable, and these descriptions are not good enough.Where are the thief mains here to speak about the class? where are the high pvp platinum mesmers and warrior mains? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PfillBonBon.1928 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 @"Naxos.2503" said:Warrior is Ok ? O.oReally ? Huh. I'll have to review my constant Invulnerability builds again, since it's acceptable.Getting 1v1d by a thief using no brain cells is hardly "okay". Not to mention stone heart/elemental shielding. @"Trevor Boyer.6524" said:Revenant - UPHerald - OP "Shiro too much damage for it's chase potential/target +ing power. Mallyx is too tanky"Renegade - Sometimes UP, sometimes OP "It's just all circumstantial. But Kalla is annoying and questionable to if it should ever be viable in pvp""Power Shiro is overrated in soloQ, explosives holo better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar.3568 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Chrono op, I saw someone playing it pls nerf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xp eke xp.6724 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 I would like to see more what mechanics are op/ok/up.Ok here my list:Ele - uptempest - upWeaver - op/okMesmer - okchrono - okmirrage - opNecro - okreaper - okscourge - upranger - updruid - oksoulbeast - okthief - okdaredevil - up/opdeadeye - up/okengie - upscrapper - ok/opholo - okwarri - upberserk - upspellbreaker - okGuard- updh - upFB - ok/oprev - ok/opherald - ok/oprenegard - ok/opBased on playerskill, most classes can dramaticaly change to underpowered and all burst/condi builds to op against most players!On theoriecraft you have the best matchup as mirragekite is op, but most players dont use them rightbest duo-q on theory is druid+warrior cause you can hold 2 points and/or support teamfightsbest duo-q on abuse playerhabbits is double mirrage if you can play that class otherwise just play 2 burst combsworst abuseable map: Templebest abuseable map: Niflhel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 @xp eke xp.6724 said:I would like to see more what mechanics are op/ok/up.Ok here my list:Ele - uptempest - upWeaver - op/okMesmer - okchrono - okmirrage - opNecro - okreaper - okscourge - upranger - updruid - oksoulbeast - okthief - okdaredevil - up/opdeadeye - up/okengie - upscrapper - ok/opholo - okwarri - upberserk - upspellbreaker - okGuard- updh - upFB - ok/oprev - ok/opherald - ok/oprenegard - ok/opBased on playerskill, most classes can dramaticaly change to underpowered and all burst/condi builds to op against most players!On theoriecraft you have the best matchup as mirragekite is op, but most players dont use them rightbest duo-q on theory is druid+warrior cause you can hold 2 points and/or support teamfightsbest duo-q on abuse playerhabbits is double mirrage if you can play that class otherwise just play 2 burst combsworst abuseable map: Templebest abuseable map: NiflhelI like how in your book, chrono is OK while ranger is UP. Lovely :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLS.4095 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 Ele OPTempest OPWeaver OPNecro OPReaper OPScourge OPMesmer OPChrono OPMirage OPWarrior OPBerserker OPSpellbreaker OPGuardian OPDragonhunter OPFirebrand OPRevenant OPHerold OPRenegade OPEngineer OPScrapper OPHolosmith OPRanger OPDruid OPSoulbeast OPThief OPDaredevil OPDeadeye OP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted May 18, 2020 Share Posted May 18, 2020 everyone saying tempest is OP lol clearly haven't played onefunny funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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