Do People like PoF?

The forums seem to show that people dont like PoFWhen i was first introduced to GW2 i was so excited for launch. I pre ordered... I never pre order.. For the 3 day headstart.Me and my friends got alot of scotch setup a network and started to play... I got banned for 3 days for an innappropriate name so granted i drank alot of scotchI played for a while and loved the game. Then i quit.. I was bored

I came back and missed season 1 and 2 and got a couple of season 3I was mad i have to pay for them now.. Grrrrrr

The along came hot.. Woo expansion.. I completed 2 chapters and quit

Then along came POF i finished story .. Got griffon.. Then i have found myself spending more time on the forums than playing the game

So tell me

Apart from finishing hot what should i do to be interested... Should i craft full ascended? Try the raid? Do somethiing else??

Im pve not pvp.. Also drunk on phone in bumpy taxi.. Sorry for spelling

I'm going for 100% completion, that's all. You could start from what you suggested.

Don't know what forum your on.Allot more people hate HOT.

Theres been a lot polls and feedback. allot of people really love POF if anything.

The most vocal people are always the ones who dislike something, or feel disadvantaged by something. I mean, if you like the game as is, why would you sit around here typing about how much you like the game when you could actually be playing the game?

Just because you have completed a few meta events and the story, doesn't exactly mean you've completed EVERYTHING. I mean, there are a few achievements to tide you over, and quite a lot of interesting flavour quests. Plus, there are things you would have missed on your first playthough, like talking to Taimi between story missions or even the different speeches at the end of the story! (Downer, Downer, Happy FTW)

Personally, I tend to float around game modes. There's always something to do, because I'm never all that focused on completing goals in the first place. It's all about the journey, not the destination.

I don't think there's hatred for PoF.

There is however people passionate about seeing its content and content replay value improved, because they are currently lackluster. Certain events (Serpent's Ire) are a natural bane of the player base for various reason, certain story steps (Departed and Whatever the last chapter is) suffer from similar problems that HoT's did, too long too many crashes.

Then there's the ever present complaints of balance be it the buff my class variety, nerf the OP or just general feedback about the process speed/transparency.The big thing to remember is, you're on a forum this is quite literally the place for players to come together and collectively share and vent their spleens after (or in some cases during) moments of frustration.

Personally, my primary enjoyment in the game comes via events. As such I enjoy HoT a lot more than PoF. Doesn't mean I dislike it though; I enjoy Path of Fire. But it's very clear that development did not put as much effort into event polish as they have in the past. The relatively few Meta/important zone-wide events in the desert are poorly telegraphed and poorly fore-warned. As such I think a lot of the story, game-play and hence enjoyment can be lost. If the events were more engaging I think there would be a far more players still in the desert and enjoying it.

@andyMak.6985 said:Apart from finishing hot what should i do to be interested... Should i craft full ascended? Try the raid? Do somethiing else??

Crafting ascended isn't much fun if you ask me. It's mostly a material grind and time-gated crafts, so meh. Personally I got into the game with legendary crafting, but keep in mind it's a bigger deal. I'd also recommend trying raids, they're a lot of fun. You can also try fractals first as an easier-to-get-into version.

The maps do seem empty. Chief reason is the halloween update. Second reason, lack of rewards. The maps give a lot of vanilla crafting materials, but you get those everywhere. The unique materials that drop aren't used for much. There's no way to acquire new ascended gear, no way to acquire new stat combinations for ascended gear, the unique currency is only used to buy unreliable keys, the heart vendors don't sell anything other than these keys, and the big meta events are usually hidden away or are really hard.

Right now I'm getting map completion for every toon, and I'm attempting to get the complete funery collection, but after that there's no reason for me to be there.

@wrathmagik.3518 said:Don't know what forum your on.Allot more people hate HOT.

Theres been a lot polls and feedback. allot of people really love POF if anything.

First, got some data to compare those who disliked HoT with those that disliked PoF?Second, polls that appeared on release day for PoF, comparing it to HoT, didn't account for the serious problems of PoF.I admit, with PoF they made it so the issues with it appear much later in the game, while HoT's "issues" appeared on the very first hour or so.

I'd love to see a poll comparing the two after 3-4 months of release when most of the community understands and feels the issues of PoF and can more accurately compare the two.

Well, the annoyed minority are always the loud ones. That is because happy people don't take to the forum to violently yell about how incredibly satisfied they are. Just doesn't happen. They're busy playing.

pof was exactly what ppl asked for at hot launch, now they want hot back...when exp 3 comes, they gonna say they want pof backcan't please them all. personally i think its better to leave things to the designers, instead of catering to these fickle fans

The only thing that keeps a game interesting after one's completed all the PVE is a good competitive mode. You can see that in older titles like Warcraft 3. No one plays it for the PVE content, but even though support ended a long time ago people still play it competitively.

Sadly the competitive scene of this game has sunk and even been cancelled by the likes of ESL. If only they understood the potential they have in WvW.

@Samnang.1879 said:pof was exactly what ppl asked for at hot launch, now they want hot back...when exp 3 comes, they gonna say they want pof backcan't please them all. personally i think its better to leave things to the designers, instead of catering to these fickle fans

That's true. But Anet did listen to the HoT complainers so we got PoF, so it's only natural for players to complain about PoF if they prefered HoT.And besides, as many stated already the complaints about HoT were specific and PoF, while fixing some, it introduced some unnecessary problems that nobody asked for.The question is what will Anet do for their next expansion, or if they learned their lesson and listening to a loud minority on gaming forums isn't the best idea.

The biggest complaint with PoF I feel can be condensed down to "ermagawd wher is Trainz". Since I personally highly dislike clusterfudge zerg training it is not an issue for me.The nostalgia effect for HoT is now people are choosing to go back and zerg/train certain aspects that are totally stratted and on farm status. The love was not there when you needed a zerg/train to earn a simple hero point and there was no choosing at all. I highly doubt that this newfound love for HoT would have much impact on a HoT newbie struggling with the mundane stuff no one is repeating.Goggles.

I enjoy PoF immensely.

@Carighan.6758 said:Well, the annoyed minority are always the loud ones. That is because happy people don't take to the forum to violently yell about how incredibly satisfied they are. Just doesn't happen. They're busy playing.

Always a good laugh, since John Smedley, head of SOE at the time, said basically this during the SWG NGE fiasco which was one of the biggest disasters in MMO history (actually covered by the Wall Street Journal). He freely admits now that not listening to players then was one of the worst mistakes he ever made.

I also remember a protracted forum war here over "perceived loot issues" early in the game where Champions seemed to be on the same loot table as common trash.We were called the "annoyed minority", chronic complainers, told that "happy people don't do forums" and all of the other boilerplate responses, as well as people stubbornly insisting the loot tables were "fine". We persisted, posted proofs, continued and that "annoyed minority" is one reason champs drop Chests now instead of a single porous bone. At times the "troublemakers" have a point.

Is this your first day on these forums or something? This is where people come to complain about literally everything. PvE, PvP, WvW, HoT, PoF, FotM, the other FotM, nerfs, buffs, clipping, auras, lack of auras, wings, lack of wings, just the right amount of wings... Where was I? Oh yeah, PoF. It has issues rewards-wise (especially for the fiddly metas), which I expect to be buffed soon because despite everything (and I do mean EVERYTHING) people write on these forums, ANet does listen and act on people's feedback.

I like PoF very much and enjoy that it is closer to Core when it comes to map difficulties. I wouldn't have minded one or two visually spectacular worldbosses in the style of Shatterer or Behemoth, but alas. HoT was good, but I kinda felt stressed out at times because there was so much going on all the time.

I love the story and nostalgia in PoF to bits, but... other than replaying the story I don't really see why I should go back to the maps :( I want to progress fractals, I try to join my guilds raids once or twice a week and I'm trying to earn gold to craft my new legendary (and PoF isn't where the golds at). + Right now it's halloween so everything has been more or less put on hold :p Maybe I'll return to PoF sometime near wintersday to get another elite spec (only maxed out Mirage, Spellbreaker, Firebrand and Soulbeast). Still missing quite a few elite specs from HoT as well.

My only complaint about PoF is what we didn't get, not what we did. Although, mobs need to be tuned down in some areas.

@Teofa Tsavo.9863 said:

@Carighan.6758 said:Well, the annoyed minority are always the loud ones. That is because happy people don't take to the forum to violently yell about how incredibly satisfied they are. Just doesn't happen. They're busy playing.

@Carighan.6758 said:Well, the annoyed minority are always the loud ones. That is because happy people don't take to the forum to violently yell about how incredibly satisfied they are. Just doesn't happen. They're busy playing.

One example out of thousands of complaints. Seem legit.

@OP "The forums seem to show that people dont like PoF" There is insufficient evidence to support this conclusion, and evidence to support the contraposition. Some people (including me) have posted specific criticisms regarding specific parts of PoF (e.g. the metas, the story or the way enemies have been handled in the open world maps) in absolute terms or in terms relative to HoT. This cannot be taken as proof that these people hate PoF; nor that these people are representative of the aggregate opinion of this forum (especially since some players have posted either that they disagree with these people or that the positives outweigh the negatives for them); nor can we conclude that this forum opinion is representative of the opinion of the playerbase as a whole. Could you please adjust the title of your thread?

Not withstanding that I do think that the maps could do with more long-term content, here are a few suggestions for things to keep you busy for a few more sessions at least:

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Casino_BlitzPossibly the most populated meta event in the desert maps, I've seen commanders and zergs at this one several times over the last few days. Like many PoF events the basic monetary rewards of the event are not good, but the XP reward can be massive if you cash in all your coins - it's great if you still have masteries to unlock. Moreover the event has a slim chance of dropping a confetti infusion, a cosmetic infusion similar to the Queen Bee or Chak Egg that will command similar prices on the trading post. The event is also a nice change of pace as you clamber around the town with your mount racing for coins, but do be warned: unless you have a fast PC you will suffer a lot of slowdown at this event when lots of players are present. I was a ~1-5FPS for most of the event last night.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Chest_of_the_First_SpearIf you haven't done it already, this is a very time-efficient collection to complete. The collection items drop from all sorts of chests and events throughout the desert, and the reward is your choice from the set of ultra-rare exotic weapons that includes items needed for the class-specific ascended weapon collections. This will either save you a lot of gold when unlocking a weapon for yourself or make you a tidy sum selling the weapon to others. If selling, check the prices for the dagger, axe, sword, torch, rifle and shortbow and sell whichever one is trading highest as these are the collection weapons; the others trade for much lower values.

https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Staff_of_the_LostExplore a dungeon and snag yourself 5 exotic weapons you can sell on the trading post for a few gold each. The spider and water rooms can be frustrating if solo so consider inviting some friends along, and I wouldn't call it fun when compared with better designed dungeons. Nonetheless the rewards are worth the time taken to grab them and there are worse ways to grind in this game.

That's not a great deal to offer I know, but it should keep you busy for your next session at least.

People new to HoT hate it because of the gating and mini games, I know i did. I liked it after I got the masteries and got used to the map (still hate the mini games). I like the Meta especially.

PoF I like at first because it was new, but the more I play the more I hate it. Lack of waypoint is annoying, the branded that throws stuff when you pass by is annoying, so many things in PoF just annoys me. Then the bird, it was a waste of 250g. I was expecting it to fly like a real bird, but it's more like a beefed up glider.

So I hate HoT at first, like it after. I Like PoF at first, i hate it after.

@Vayne.8563 said:

@Teofa Tsavo.9863 said:

@Carighan.6758 said:Well, the annoyed minority are always the loud ones. That is because happy people don't take to the forum to violently yell about how incredibly satisfied they are. Just doesn't happen. They're busy playing.

@Carighan.6758 said:Well, the annoyed minority are always the loud ones. That is because happy people don't take to the forum to violently yell about how incredibly satisfied they are. Just doesn't happen. They're busy playing.

Ah, Vayne. I'm sure that "your guild and everyone you know" feels the same. Yes, it is a single example, not a list. Are you maintaining that no other valid issues brought up on the forums ever resulted in change? It wouldn't surprise me. And now I will return to simply not responding to you. Have a nice day.

Honestly, i like both expansions. They both have their own charm to them. People just like to complain. Hell, even i complain about the mob spawn spam and aggro radius in PoF, but i still go there and have some fun here and there, same with HoT, when i feel like it i go there and do some metas and stuff. And a lot of people don't like HoT so it's just mixed opinions as always.