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Heart of Thorns Hero Challenges

Barely anyone is doing them anymore. Map completion in HoT areas is getting increasingly more annoying over time, and it was pretty annoying to begin with.

Please solve the problem, and allow the hero challenges in HoT to scale down to a difficulty level that's intended for solo play, similarly to how they're designed in Path of Fire.

Thanks!

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  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kal Spiro.9745 said:
    When are you playing? I've seen no indications to support this assertion.

    I can attest that when i can play, outside of the weekends i have had tons of issues getting people to help with hero points. (east coast time US, from around 3pm-6 pm), and even on the weekends i usually end up begging for help in guild chat due to lack of response on map. Honestly i see no reason why the couldnt just ahve them scale down to elites or veterans.

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  • I've been easily able to run several characters through the HoT challenges - VB, AB, and TD - just in the last 2-3 months.
    I checked the LFG tool often, looking in those specific zones for HP runs. Most will state that they only require a glider mastery or some may require a mushroom mastery or bunny mount. There were usually about 30+ people in each group I joined. I checked during typical 'peak' hours (evenings and weekends). Yes, I wasn't able to do them exactly on my timetable; however, doing them in these HoT runs made it totally worth any wait. Always tipped the commander, too because they are providing a great value with these events. Highly recommended!

  • Like most people said here already, HP and Mastery Trains are still happening in HoT Maps. Use LFG Tool. Otherwise, ANET won't nerf these boses unless they see a change in numbers of people doing them.

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Fully unlocking your elite spec in PoF requires unlocking 25/26(might be 28) available HP.

    Fully unlocking your elite spec in HoT requires unlocking 25/40. There are a lot more "spares" in HoT.

    They are not quite comparable.

    I spend the majority of my play time in VB and there is not a day that goes by where I don't see at least one HP train going through. This is on NA so I have no idea how things are in EU.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    You may not be seeing people doing them because of the new episode last week. Things should start to improve this week.

  • Adul.1520Adul.1520 Member ✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    That's the thing, though. I don't want to sit there staring at the LFG tool for long periods of time in order to do map completion. Map completion has always been a comfortably soloable task in all of GW2 except in HoT. Why? It's just an annoyance to deal with when I'm trying to get things done. I've already done all the hero challenges in HoT on like 12 of 19 characters, and it was annoying every single time. But it's definitely worse now.

    And sure, maybe it's the new episode, but that's no excuse. This is only going to get worse over time as the game grows in territory and the population of old maps gets smaller.

  • Dante.1763Dante.1763 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Adul.1520 said:
    That's the thing, though. I don't want to sit there staring at the LFG tool for long periods of time in order to do map completion. Map completion has always been a comfortably soloable task in all of GW2 except in HoT. Why? It's just an annoyance to deal with when I'm trying to get things done. I've already done all the hero challenges in HoT on like 12 of 19 characters, and it was annoying every single time. But it's definitely worse now.

    And sure, maybe it's the new episode, but that's no excuse. This is only going to get worse over time as the game grows in territory and the population of old maps gets smaller.

    All you will get from people on the forums is "Well, i dont have problems doing it cause when im playing there are groups running it." So....

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  • Adul.1520Adul.1520 Member ✭✭
    edited September 24, 2018

    @Dante.1763 said:

    @Adul.1520 said:
    That's the thing, though. I don't want to sit there staring at the LFG tool for long periods of time in order to do map completion. Map completion has always been a comfortably soloable task in all of GW2 except in HoT. Why? It's just an annoyance to deal with when I'm trying to get things done. I've already done all the hero challenges in HoT on like 12 of 19 characters, and it was annoying every single time. But it's definitely worse now.

    And sure, maybe it's the new episode, but that's no excuse. This is only going to get worse over time as the game grows in territory and the population of old maps gets smaller.

    All you will get from people on the forums is "Well, i dont have problems doing it cause when im playing there are groups running it." So....

    People play at different times, in different time zones, and on different servers. What's an issue for some is smooth sailing for others.

  • @Dante.1763 said:

    @Kal Spiro.9745 said:
    When are you playing? I've seen no indications to support this assertion.

    I can attest that when i can play, outside of the weekends i have had tons of issues getting people to help with hero points. (east coast time US, from around 3pm-6 pm), and even on the weekends i usually end up begging for help in guild chat due to lack of response on map. Honestly i see no reason why the couldnt just ahve them scale down to elites or veterans.

    That's the problem alright. activity doesn't pick up until 6PM EST, you're leaving before people are even showing up

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  • You can unlock the entire spec in HoT without fighting anything because it has alot of extra ones.

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  • @Hannelore.8153 said:
    You can unlock the entire spec in HoT without fighting anything because it has alot of extra ones.

    The OP's issue is map completion.

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  • I can't agree that it's a problem that needs to be solved. It's one of the things I like about HoT maps, that they include some things that are challenging to complete alone.

    Since you claim to be something of an expert, why don't you organize a group to do some HP? Even just posting in map, "I'm at [challenge] near [landmark], starting it up at :10 past this hour," I usually get a few people, especially right after AB or TD metas. (VB is a little more variable, due its nature.)

    Some day, it might turn out to be difficult to find people, if ANet keeps adding one map per episode. At that point, ANet can invest some time into figuring out how to make these more easily accessible. Even then, there are plenty of things they can do besides nerfing the difficulty, including changing the rewards, adding incentives to visit the maps certain days or weeks, or even just with skill creep affecting their difficulty. (Orr used to be hard for a lot of people to solo; it mostly isn't any longer.)

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  • Westenev.5289Westenev.5289 Member ✭✭✭✭

    There's nothing to fix; apart from several HP's (Itzel frog (vb), mushroom queen (TD), Balthazaar (AB), all of the dragons stand HP) most are readily avalable and easily soloable in berserk/scholars armour, so long as you're willing to mess around with some traits. I prefer HoT hero points to PoF, on the merit that they're closer together, easier to access and not that difficult after you do them a few times.

    If you need help, call out on map chat (politely). Someone will usually come to help within 5 minutes or so, depending on your timezone and when you ask (for example, don't ask durring the meta).

  • Haishao.6851Haishao.6851 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 25, 2018

    The majority of HP in HoT are "commune with a place of power"
    There are 40 HP, and only 12 include fighting a champion. 11 if you don't count Balthazar since it's technically a commune that he guards and killing him isn't the requirement for the HP. It's also possible to stealth to it.
    On those 11 champions, there's a few easy one like the spider queen in TG, or the vinetooth and tarnished sage in AB.
    And the other are usually very easy to find help for by just asking in map.

  • Ashantara.8731Ashantara.8731 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Adul.1520 said:
    Barely anyone is doing them anymore.

    I did HoT map completion again just a couple of weeks ago, and I always found people to help me using map chat and/or LFG.

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ashantara.8731 said:

    @Adul.1520 said:
    Barely anyone is doing them anymore.

    I did HoT map completion again just a couple of weeks ago, and I always found people to help me using map chat and/or LFG.

    I agree and timing might be the issue. I started a new toon last month, jumped to HoT and called out for help on hero points. I always had 3-5 people show up (sometimes more) in VB and AB. Then, I hopped over to PoF maps and did the points there and was able to get my elite unlocked within a matter of hours.

    Honestly, I was pleasantly surprised by the response to my calling out for help in the HoT maps. I appreciate those players who hang out there and are willing to take a few minutes to help out.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Haishao.6851 said:
    The majority of HP in HoT are "commune with a place of power"
    There are 40 HP, and only 12 include fighting a champion. 11 if you don't count Balthazar since it's technically a commune that he guards and killing him isn't the requirement for the HP. It's also possible to stealth to it.
    On those 11 champions, there's a few easy one like the spider queen in TG, or the vinetooth and tarnished sage in AB.
    And the other are usually very easy to find help for by just asking in map.

    There is also the toxic bacon which is neither combat nor commune :)

  • kharmin.7683kharmin.7683 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Khisanth.2948 said:

    There is also the toxic bacon which is neither combat nor commune :)

    I throw up a lot when trying to keep that down, though.

    I am a very casual player.
    Very.
    Casual.

  • Lexi.1398Lexi.1398 Member ✭✭✭

    Last 3 times i did HoT map completion these past few months i caught a hp train of 40+ around 11pm gmt - in EST, that's 7am if i did my math right, a time when most americans are asleep no matter what, and i play on NA. Population isn't the problem...

    Waiting hp completion into existence won't make it happen - i've rarely seen peoples call for help unanswered, and most HPs are doable with two people on bad gear if they aren't easily soloable. Only exception - mushroom queen (TD) which needs a third person, a 4th if no one is vaguely aware of kiting. Then, balthazar's rest (AB) is also pretty tricky with 2 people if they don't know fight mechanics...and that's really it for hard hp. Remember that CC is your best friend and most of these hard fights become easy.

  • People actually do it very often. Atleast on EU server I see them all the time.

  • @kharmin.7683 said:

    @Khisanth.2948 said:

    There is also the toxic bacon which is neither combat nor commune :)

    I throw up a lot when trying to keep that down, though.

    Don't use your heal until right when you'll actually get the full amount from it.
    Or get Adrenal Mushrooms, that's easy mode.

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Sometimes people also pick very awful timing to ask. Like right before VB canopy boss spawns. Sure some people might still respond but don't be surprised if people going to go do the boss(es) first.

  • Haishao.6851Haishao.6851 Member ✭✭✭

    @Dante.1763 said:

    @Kal Spiro.9745 said:
    When are you playing? I've seen no indications to support this assertion.

    I can attest that when i can play, outside of the weekends i have had tons of issues getting people to help with hero points. (east coast time US, from around 3pm-6 pm), and even on the weekends i usually end up begging for help in guild chat due to lack of response on map. Honestly i see no reason why the couldnt just ahve them scale down to elites or veterans.

    I was in game and found this in LFG, thought it might interest you.

  • if you play WvW unlock the hero points in WvW, then go about doing the boring part of map comp. Running for wp to wp and poi to poi.

  • Elothar.4382Elothar.4382 Member ✭✭✭

    I'm a very casual player—my skill level probably just below average, I suspect. And I do an awful lot of HPs in HoT (I'm also an alt-aholic). What works for me is this: I know which ones are doable without help and I start on those. I keep an eye out for requests for help and jump on those when they show up in map chat. For the Guano HP, I do the Wyvern and then glide straight over to the HP....about half the time there is a group there doing it. Using this method, I can typically get all but one or two with no problems. The two most problematic are the one down near the WP just before Auric Basin and the Guano one. Most of the time, when I post a call for help in chat, I get good response. It's not foolproof, but it works most of the time for me.

    As an aside, I also see frequent HP trains in VB, Auric Basin, and Tangled Depths.

  • Turkeyspit.3965Turkeyspit.3965 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Personally I think all Hero Point challenges should just scale to the amount of players around it, as I think it unreasonable to have to deal with Champions just to get map completion. That said, I've been playing since Feb 2018, and I have map completion on VB and AB on 5 different characters (TD and DS can go DIAF). None of which was done solo of course, but either a few guild members helped me or I happened upon other players also wanting to complete these challenges.

    GW2 has to be one of the most accessible communities as far as getting help in game for open world stuff. It might be inconvenient to have to get others to help you, but in GW2 it's far easier than other titles.

  • Dreamy Lu.3865Dreamy Lu.3865 Member ✭✭✭
    edited September 26, 2018

    I am surprised by OP statement. I have a different experience. At times I am going into the maps, there are trains doing HPs and that in all HoT areas. Such trains are especially active over the weekend. Also, if I call for help in map chat, I generally get support rapidly, and that at any times.

    I believe that it is probably more a matter of timing. @OP, have you tried at different hours?

    For information: In WvW, it it possible to buy HoT HPs with proofs/testimonies of heroics. Of course, no big satisfaction to get it done that way, but that's an alternative. :3

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  • Oh "Big Mez".
    Thats commander is awesome, also as "HP Train" tag, yes, she/he names the toon "HP train".
    Problem is the OP was online at the wrong time and wrong day. Prolly because OP's schedule and life.
    I would suggest OP to do PoF HPs 1st, get all of them and then only need to do 10 HoT HPs which should be easier for OP. 7 Easy HPs from Dragon Stand. you work out the rest

  • A significant amount of the HPs can be done solo... all of them can be done with 2 people rather easily. Worst case scenario, there are so many HP trains even in late hours that it interferes with metas.

  • ProtoGunner.4953ProtoGunner.4953 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I never had any issues finding people in HoT. They are very well populated since the metas are very popular as well. Also, you can do most hero challenges solo if you are a good player.

  • Zushada.6108Zushada.6108 Member ✭✭✭

    @Kal Spiro.9745 said:

    @Dante.1763 said:

    @Kal Spiro.9745 said:
    When are you playing? I've seen no indications to support this assertion.

    I can attest that when i can play, outside of the weekends i have had tons of issues getting people to help with hero points. (east coast time US, from around 3pm-6 pm), and even on the weekends i usually end up begging for help in guild chat due to lack of response on map. Honestly i see no reason why the couldnt just ahve them scale down to elites or veterans.

    That's the problem alright. activity doesn't pick up until 6PM EST, you're leaving before people are even showing up

    I just had a character in VB yesterday between 2-4 EST (NA) and had zero issues getting HPs done, Same for AB. I watch the event timer to find what I consider higher volume tImes and call out when I need help. There are always at least 2 willing to help or someone already at the challenge etc. Any time I got to those maps I just try to taxi to a busier map if mine is quiet.

  • Vayne.8563Vayne.8563 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Dante.1763 said:

    @Adul.1520 said:
    That's the thing, though. I don't want to sit there staring at the LFG tool for long periods of time in order to do map completion. Map completion has always been a comfortably soloable task in all of GW2 except in HoT. Why? It's just an annoyance to deal with when I'm trying to get things done. I've already done all the hero challenges in HoT on like 12 of 19 characters, and it was annoying every single time. But it's definitely worse now.

    And sure, maybe it's the new episode, but that's no excuse. This is only going to get worse over time as the game grows in territory and the population of old maps gets smaller.

    All you will get from people on the forums is "Well, i dont have problems doing it cause when im playing there are groups running it." So....

    I run it all hours of the day and night, often with different guildies. 90% of the hero points in HoT can be done with 2-3 people. In fact, only Balthazar and The Baby mushroom requires more than 3. Well and the ones at the end of DS which of course, are easy to get.

    Pop even a mentor tag, call it out in map chat, wait a couple of minutes. If I haven't done it a dozen times in the last couple of months I wouldn't bother replying.

  • Khisanth.2948Khisanth.2948 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Vayne.8563 said:

    @Dante.1763 said:

    @Adul.1520 said:
    That's the thing, though. I don't want to sit there staring at the LFG tool for long periods of time in order to do map completion. Map completion has always been a comfortably soloable task in all of GW2 except in HoT. Why? It's just an annoyance to deal with when I'm trying to get things done. I've already done all the hero challenges in HoT on like 12 of 19 characters, and it was annoying every single time. But it's definitely worse now.

    And sure, maybe it's the new episode, but that's no excuse. This is only going to get worse over time as the game grows in territory and the population of old maps gets smaller.

    All you will get from people on the forums is "Well, i dont have problems doing it cause when im playing there are groups running it." So....

    I run it all hours of the day and night, often with different guildies. 90% of the hero points in HoT can be done with 2-3 people. In fact, only Balthazar and The Baby mushroom requires more than 3. Well and the ones at the end of DS which of course, are easy to get.

    Pop even a mentor tag, call it out in map chat, wait a couple of minutes. If I haven't done it a dozen times in the last couple of months I wouldn't bother replying.

    If you make at least one of the people a thief Balthazar never requires more than 2. Coincidentally also applies to the one at the temple in Straits of Devastation.

    It also drops the amount of skill required to the floor.

  • Biff.5312Biff.5312 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I would hate to see them scaled down. What would be reasonable is incentives to get more people to participate - making dailies that include HPs for instance. But in my experience I've never had any trouble finding people to do them with if they aren't solo-able.

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