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  • Rasimir.6239Rasimir.6239 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Clyan.1593 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    The achievement doesn’t need to be adjusted as it’s not required to complete the meta achievement.

    So everything outside of meta achievements can be totally wack because that's how you look at it.

    Yes. Some people enjoy that kind of achievement, so I see no reason why ANet can't throw in one every few years.

    @Clyan.1593 said:

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    ^Also, I have the T-shirt, and did neither the collection, nor bought it from the vendor. (WvW easy PvE-centric Dailies are your friend.)

    You seem not to understand. I don't want the T-Shirt. I want the achievement to be doable without rng luck.

    You can. All you need is patience and gold. Once you have 30k gold to put up three buy offers of 10k each on the trading post, I suspect there's really not all that much patience required any more.

    @Clyan.1593 said:
    And what for? 5 AP and a T-Shirt skin...

    I'm sure there's a player somewhere that would love to say "I did this super rare drop achievement, and all I got is a t-shirt". Somebody at ANet must have a weird sense of humor ;) .

  • Clyan.1593Clyan.1593 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 15, 2019

    @Rasimir.6239 said:

    @Clyan.1593 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    The achievement doesn’t need to be adjusted as it’s not required to complete the meta achievement.

    So everything outside of meta achievements can be totally wack because that's how you look at it.

    Yes. Some people enjoy that kind of achievement, so I see no reason why ANet can't throw in one every few years.

    I dont remember an achievement with such a low rng chance. Confetti infu isnt an achievement.
    And the insect weapons were just heavily grindy, because the rng for the fossilized insects was reasonably high / balanced.
    So which achievements are you talking about?

    @Rasimir.6239 said:

    @Clyan.1593 said:
    You seem not to understand. I don't want the T-Shirt. I want the achievement to be doable without rng luck.

    You can. All you need is patience and gold. Once you have 30k gold to put up three buy offers of 10k each on the trading post, I suspect there's really not all that much patience required any more.

    Well yes, obviously I can just spend real money on gems or be patient enough for the needed amount of 30k gold to be accumulated on my account. Beside this being a absolutely grotesque suggestion you seem to forget that in the meantime there are other things i would like to spend gold on aswell. So really if I am not one of those people who play the TP instead of the game I can just wait until i turn into dust for that gold to stack up.

    @Rasimir.6239 said:

    @Clyan.1593 said:
    And what for? 5 AP and a T-Shirt skin...

    I'm sure there's a player somewhere that would love to say "I did this super rare drop achievement, and all I got is a t-shirt". Somebody at ANet must have a weird sense of humor ;) .

    No you aren't sure on that because you simply cannot know.
    Let me draw a by far more probable scenario in which the only person in a trillion dimensions who took it upon him or herself to beat the RNG and obtain all three skins manually after years of the daily and shallow task of double clicking an item finally achieved this goal and now suddenly screams in endless sorrow towards the sky asking the countless multiverses for forgiveness. You find that not very believable? Well then don't make even more unbelievable assumptions.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Clyan.1593 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    The achievement doesn’t need to be adjusted as it’s not required to complete the meta achievement.

    So everything outside of meta achievements can be totally wack because that's how you look at it.

    Not every achievement needs to be quickly obtainable as if it’s some sort of participation reward.

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    The Charr helm skins belong in that collection just as much as any of the others.

    Did you ever play "odd one out"? I suppose not.

    Do you have an actual argument against what I said beyond assuming I never played something unrelated to this game?

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    ^Also, I have the T-shirt, and did neither the collection, nor bought it from the vendor. (WvW easy PvE-centric Dailies are your friend.)

    You seem not to understand. I don't want the T-Shirt. I want the achievement to be doable without rng luck.

    Why do you want this doable without luck? Why are you so hard-pressed to have this achievement completed?

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 15, 2019

    So you got every other achieve in the game done? If not add this to one you don't effing do. Did you miss the 9 other threads? Yeah it's unrealistic. Yeah they shouldn't of added. Yeah it should be in collections not in achieve panel so you all don't get upset. The whole point I bet is the play on that phase " I went or did all this and all I got was this stupid T-shirt" It was supposed to be funny but they should know now adays it's a constant whinefest in society. I got 4 banners on it from reward tracks. Sold the weapons because it's a dumb pointless achieve that you don't have to do.

  • Cronospere.8143Cronospere.8143 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 15, 2019

    I think its weird that you can buy a skin thats also an achievement reward. That is just bad..
    No reason for me to finish it now that i got it not by the merchant but with the wvw reward track

  • Leablo.2651Leablo.2651 Member ✭✭✭

    So would you agree to a solution of putting the items on a vendor for 10k gold? This removes all RNG associated with sourcing the item.

  • Ol Nik.2518Ol Nik.2518 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    GW1 tank achievements were extremely grindy. Every tried to do the lucky/unlucky ones?

    Have you tried doing the 10K sPvP match wins achievement. Assuming you average 7 min each match, including the queue, and won every match, it’d take you almost 1,167 hours to complete that achievement.

    Have you tried the 250K kills in WvW achievement? If you averaged 100 kills an hour, it’d take you 2,500 hours to complete.

    If you were to farm gold for 1,200 hours and earning at least 25G/hr, you’d have enough to purchase the helm skins. If you spent as long as it would realistically take you to earn either of those two sPvP and WvW achievements, you’d be able to trade with players for the helm skins.

    You are right, there are extremely grindy PvP and WvW achievements. However, they are not RNG-based at all. The goal is perfectly measurable and achievable in a very long run.

    The helmets are not quite the same. Even if you farm enough money there is no guarantee that you will be able to buy them. There are very few helmets on the market: Five at the moment. I also checked grey markets for the helmets, there is one on sale now. So, between the TP and grey market, we have a grand total of 6 (six) helmets — enough for 2 (two) persons to complete the collection. Unfortunately, I know at least 4 people apart from me who would love to finish the Merchandise Collector and do not mind spending some gold.

  • When this achievement/collection is as old as the Treasure Hunter achievement/collection, then they can be compared.
    Likely, when the Treasure Hunter achievement/collection was new, players found the RNG items nearly as costly (considering how easy/difficult it was to obtain Gold at the time).

    It may be much less costly to buy the items several years from now for this achievement.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ol Nik.2518 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    GW1 tank achievements were extremely grindy. Every tried to do the lucky/unlucky ones?

    Have you tried doing the 10K sPvP match wins achievement. Assuming you average 7 min each match, including the queue, and won every match, it’d take you almost 1,167 hours to complete that achievement.

    Have you tried the 250K kills in WvW achievement? If you averaged 100 kills an hour, it’d take you 2,500 hours to complete.

    If you were to farm gold for 1,200 hours and earning at least 25G/hr, you’d have enough to purchase the helm skins. If you spent as long as it would realistically take you to earn either of those two sPvP and WvW achievements, you’d be able to trade with players for the helm skins.

    You are right, there are extremely grindy PvP and WvW achievements. However, they are not RNG-based at all. The goal is perfectly measurable and achievable in a very long run.

    Of course they’re not RNG based. The point was that you can spend the same amount of time it would take to complete those and buy the Charr helm skins. It’s also the same as the 100K map currency which I mentioned although it’s not logistically possible. There’s also what the person above suggested with it being available from a vendor for 10K gold.

    All of which are perfectly measurable and achievable in a very long run.

    The helmets are not quite the same. Even if you farm enough money there is no guarantee that you will be able to buy them. There are very few helmets on the market: Five at the moment. I also checked grey markets for the helmets, there is one on sale now. So, between the TP and grey market, we have a grand total of 6 (six) helmets — enough for 2 (two) persons to complete the collection. Unfortunately, I know at least 4 people apart from me who would love to finish the Merchandise Collector and do not mind spending some gold.

    And why haven’t those four people spent the gold to buy them? It’s also not like those will be the only ones ever available either. Just because the supply is limited, doesn’t mean that someone can’t farm the gold and buy them.

  • Ol Nik.2518Ol Nik.2518 Member ✭✭✭

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    Do you got the treasure chest in your home instance? That's got like 10 impossible drops that no one player could get without buying 8 of them all 300-400g and was more expensive back in the day so there is precedent.

    According to the gw2efficiency, the current total cost of the Treasure Hunter achievement is 1 755g 45s 59c. Not only it is way cheaper, but it also grants a chest that can be opened daily. The Merchandise Collector does not give any reasonable reward (T-shirt can be bought or received via WvW reward track) and at this moment can not be completed by more than 2 people.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 15, 2019

    @Ol Nik.2518 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    Do you got the treasure chest in your home instance? That's got like 10 impossible drops that no one player could get without buying 8 of them all 300-400g and was more expensive back in the day so there is precedent.

    According to the gw2efficiency, the current total cost of the Treasure Hunter achievement is 1 755g 45s 59c. Not only it is way cheaper, but it also grants a chest that can be opened daily. The Merchandise Collector does not give any reasonable reward (T-shirt can be bought or received via WvW reward track) and at this moment can not be completed by more than 2 people.

    And only up to 22 people can complete the treasure hunter achievement through the TP. Is the difference between 22 and 2 people really that significant when compared to the active player base?

  • Clyan.1593Clyan.1593 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2019

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Clyan.1593 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Clyan.1593 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Clyan.1593 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Clyan.1593 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    The achievement doesn’t need to be adjusted as it’s not required to complete the meta achievement.

    So everything outside of meta achievements can be totally wack because that's how you look at it.

    Not every achievement needs to be quickly obtainable as if it’s some sort of participation reward.

    See this is the main issue with people like you on EVERY gaming forum. People who do not read what the OP initially wrote and still want
    to participate in the discussion littering the thread with confusing statements.
    But not only that, also the fact that you clearly are unable to differentiate two completely different things:
    There are achivements that take long and those that don't. This one is neither of them. So don't compare it to such.
    This achievement is luck based, so time really isn't a calculable factor in it. You could try for 3 days and achieve it. Or you could try for a 1000 years and still miss it.

    So yeah, I agree, not every achievement needs to be quickly obtainable as if it’s some sort of participation reward. But let's drag out this stance a little further and get rid of more things that "aren't needed". I have no problem with that. As long as I can track and measure my work towards a goal. With this achivement I can't do that. It just sits there, telling me to be lucky.

    On other threads people ask you to git gud. Here you ask me to git lucky.

    No. I read what you wrote. I disagree with it and gave my reason why.

    No you didn't. I explained how envoy herald, hom 50/50, fractal goddess and GWAMM are long term achievements that could be achieved by literally anyone who was willing to work hard and consistenly towards it, and yet you try to explain to me that "Not every achievement needs to be quickly obtainable as if it’s some sort of participation reward". Clearly you have NOT read what I wrote. Or you have a really short memory. Or you do not understand at all what I want. I'm not asking for a quick achievement. I ask for one that isn't based on RNG.

    So now go on and tell me which achievements are based on the same low rng as this one, rendering a single item as expensive as 8000g. I'll wait.

    I did read your post. You made an argument that there shouldn’t be any achievements tied to RNG but that solely your opinion. It’s not a hard set rule that there shouldn’t be any.

    Anet has done this several times before with the fractal salvage one and a few of the rare exotic collections. We have other expensive collections such as those for Legendaries which you’ve mentioned. This achievement is on the higher end of those but there’s no rule against this.

    All of the rewards can be obtained elsewhere. The only exception being the few AP. So why must this achievement be completed by you? If they added a way to purchase the helm skins for 100K map currency each, would you still complain?

    Now you are just evasive.

    100k are 400 stacks of map currency btw, a really rubbish attempt to form an argument, but for the sake of it:
    At least 400 stacks is realistic - it's measurable. RNG simply is luck. Technically even if chances were 1:2 you could lose every time.
    But I wouldn't complain about it then, because obviously it wouldn't be an issue.

    The point of that was to give you a non RNG way to obtain it without devaluing it as a drop.

    In my post, I included an edit with some grindy achievements. You could easily grind gold and purchase the skins before completing either of those achievements. It may even be possible to do the same before some of the rank titles in GW1.

    Again, I asked you to name an achievement that has a comparable RNG to it rendering a single Item 8000g.
    Those you mentioned are either not on TP or far below 8000g.

    There isn’t one but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong. You’ve failed to provide any reason why it shouldn’t be in the game other than it just shouldn’t.

    And if i want it or not doesn't matter, but what becomes more obvious is that you don't give an effing kitten about it yourself and so it becomes questionable if your view on this has any weight. I too can kitten on something i don't care about. And so, no I don't "need" the achievement. But that doesn't make it legitimate. I for my part can acknowledge that.

    I do care about completing the achievement as I open the vault daily. It just doesn’t matter enough to me to farm map completions anymore.

    It might just be an opinion - of course. But so it's a matter of which opinion has more reason to it. And i think it is obvious that tying achievements to rng is a D-move.

    That last part is clearly your opinion.

    I am aware of the possibility to farm gold and therefor buy the skins from tp, not only that, i could go and convert gems too if i wanted to. You again have totally missed the issue. Yes i see the item is on tp and i can buy it if i wanted to. But the price is absurd, so i wont do that. The price is artificially set up by its low drop rate. But again: that is not the issue here. I hope you finally understood that now. The problem is that such a low rng item is tied into an achievement, called merchandise collector, even tho the item itself isnt a merchandise item, because neither can you buy it from a merc nor is it tied to the metal legion event.

    I gave several reasons for why this should not exist in that form already, you just disagree and seem to believe that i have therefor failed. But it isnt my job to change your opinion and it isnt my problem that you went so far into this that now you cannot step down and acknowledge how wrong you are.

    Instead you need to hide behind the all known "thats just your opinion" stance, a real classic.
    I suppose where there are no facts to conclude something one has to form an opinion. And that is what i did. That doesnt mean i am wrong and it certainly doesnt mean you are right.

    Achieving something should not be bound to luck. Because thats not an achievement. Its just luck. One can put no effort in it and succeed, someone else can sacrifice everything and gain nothing. And that isnt an opinion.

    And so you direct me to spent gold on it if i dont want to put up with the rng, even going so far to compare gw1 titles to the amount of time needed to obtain the gold needed for these items, which further proves how desperate you are in trying to prove something that hasnt ever been an issue at all.

    This item should be removed from the achievement. Like it or not.

  • Clyan.1593Clyan.1593 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 15, 2019

    @Leablo.2651 said:
    So would you agree to a solution of putting the items on a vendor for 10k gold? This removes all RNG associated with sourcing the item.

    Yes i would be. The item being in tp isnt the issue here. It being low rng and being part of an achievement called merchandise collector when the helmets arent merchandise at all is.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It seems to work perfectly. All kinds of people are coming out of the woodworks to complain about an achievement of all things, something most players ignore in their pursuit of complaining that there is no content. Just don't bank on getting a rare item, do the rest and maybe you'll be surprised.

    Bite me.

  • Ol Nik.2518Ol Nik.2518 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Ol Nik.2518 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    GW1 tank achievements were extremely grindy. Every tried to do the lucky/unlucky ones?

    Have you tried doing the 10K sPvP match wins achievement. Assuming you average 7 min each match, including the queue, and won every match, it’d take you almost 1,167 hours to complete that achievement.

    Have you tried the 250K kills in WvW achievement? If you averaged 100 kills an hour, it’d take you 2,500 hours to complete.

    If you were to farm gold for 1,200 hours and earning at least 25G/hr, you’d have enough to purchase the helm skins. If you spent as long as it would realistically take you to earn either of those two sPvP and WvW achievements, you’d be able to trade with players for the helm skins.

    You are right, there are extremely grindy PvP and WvW achievements. However, they are not RNG-based at all. The goal is perfectly measurable and achievable in a very long run.

    Of course they’re not RNG based. The point was that you can spend the same amount of time it would take to complete those and buy the Charr helm skins. It’s also the same as the 100K map currency which I mentioned although it’s not logistically possible. There’s also what the person above suggested with it being available from a vendor for 10K gold.

    All of which are perfectly measurable and achievable in a very long run.

    Personally, I would not have any problem with helmets being sold by an NPC for an outrageous sum. It will take time, but the results are 100% guaranteed.

    The helmets are not quite the same. Even if you farm enough money there is no guarantee that you will be able to buy them. There are very few helmets on the market: Five at the moment. I also checked grey markets for the helmets, there is one on sale now. So, between the TP and grey market, we have a grand total of 6 (six) helmets — enough for 2 (two) persons to complete the collection. Unfortunately, I know at least 4 people apart from me who would love to finish the Merchandise Collector and do not mind spending some gold.

    And why haven’t those four people spent the gold to buy them? It’s also not like those will be the only ones ever available either. Just because the supply is limited, doesn’t mean that someone can’t farm the gold and buy them.

    You are missing the point. Just because everybody can farm gold does not mean that everybody can buy those helmets. An achievement should be achievable by anyone who wants to put time and effort regardless of the number of other people who want to get the same achievement. It also should be achievable within a reasonable time.

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ol Nik.2518 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    Do you got the treasure chest in your home instance? That's got like 10 impossible drops that no one player could get without buying 8 of them all 300-400g and was more expensive back in the day so there is precedent.

    According to the gw2efficiency, the current total cost of the Treasure Hunter achievement is 1 755g 45s 59c. Not only it is way cheaper, but it also grants a chest that can be opened daily. The Merchandise Collector does not give any reasonable reward (T-shirt can be bought or received via WvW reward track) and at this moment can not be completed by more than 2 people.

    No. I was off from memory but you are low unless of course you assumed you get those items via buy order and noone gonna 1c overbid you for months as you wait 4 it to drop and some1 sells cheap. its 4 drops 269-400. Yeah it's cheaper just like in 6 years these items will be. The argument was what achieve depends on ranged drops which go get those drops without buying them. And you are right you get something but just like this it is not an achievement you need to do

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2019

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:

    @Clyan.1593 said:

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    The achievement doesn’t need to be adjusted as it’s not required to complete the meta achievement.

    So everything outside of meta achievements can be totally wack because that's how you look at it.

    Not every achievement needs to be quickly obtainable as if it’s some sort of participation reward.

    @Ayrilana.1396 said:
    The Charr helm skins belong in that collection just as much as any of the others.

    Did you ever play "odd one out"? I suppose not.

    Do you have an actual argument against what I said beyond assuming I never played something unrelated to this game?

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    ^Also, I have the T-shirt, and did neither the collection, nor bought it from the vendor. (WvW easy PvE-centric Dailies are your friend.)

    You seem not to understand. I don't want the T-Shirt. I want the achievement to be doable without rng luck.

    Why do you want this doable without luck? Why are you so hard-pressed to have this achievement completed?

    In fairness though achievements that might never be achieved due to ridiculous RNG odds are hardly something to defend.
    Not everyone sees achievements as a reason to spend 000's of gold or reach into their RL wallets to avoid endless grind of the same events in the hope one day they finally get lucky.... treasure hunter ring any bells???

    Buying stuff from the TP does not sound like much of achievment to me..

    Life is what YOU make it... NOT what others tell you!

  • Gop.8713Gop.8713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    All these posts over all this time and still not a single one has even attempted to defend this achievement's inclusion in the meta achievement . . .

  • Why would anyone? It's not necessary to complete the Meta.

  • Gehenna.3625Gehenna.3625 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Clyan.1593 said:

    @Hynax.9536 said:

    @Clyan.1593 said:
    So, what could be done: Simply remove the Khan-Ur skins out of that achievement. Thanks.

    You could reduce all your post to only this last phrase. I agree to remove those skins from the collection, but they should stay with a very low RNG drop chance cus i believe "rarities" like this is what motivates some players (like me) to revisit old maps and do unrewarding metas.

    Yes i could, but then someone else pops up and wants me to clarify / explain why and so on. So i posted this wall of text to explain why this achivement is baloney.

    Which is a fair request, so well done on explaining it. That way more people can understand where you're coming from. Personally I've given up on achievements and not just here because of all kinds of things that just don't make sense. I don't necessarily get the feeling that this sort of thing (and indeed many other things) are really looked at from the player point of view.

    They probably think that annoying=more play time, but that doesn't equate to enjoyment and doesn't work when people give up on completing achievements or even the game as a whole. Challenge is supposed to inspire you to achieve something not depress you and make you wonder why you even bother or get angry because it's just a terribly poorly designed challenge.

    I dunno, some stuff is just weird and makes zero sense. Maybe they'll listen, maybe they won't.

    "In my experience, if you can't say what you mean, you can never mean what you say. The details are everything." ~ Minister Durano

  • Lamont.5973Lamont.5973 Member ✭✭✭

    I can't help thinking maybe the drop rate is so low because they expected players to farm map completion with low level toons.

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    People will not leave this map when 3 keys are worth more the amalgated gemstone and players will keep the price up as we try once a day to hit the lottery. All these little events take less prep then td/ab or pof metas so I and others will be on this map for a long time. Will I even get the helm? no and if I did it be up for 5500 in a second and I'd buy 2 legendary. Again you don't have to do this achieve so the obsession with complaining makes no sense.

  • Jayden Reese.9542Jayden Reese.9542 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Ol Nik.2518 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    @Ol Nik.2518 said:

    @Jayden Reese.9542 said:

    Do you got the treasure chest in your home instance? That's got like 10 impossible drops that no one player could get without buying 8 of them all 300-400g and was more expensive back in the day so there is precedent.

    According to the gw2efficiency, the current total cost of the Treasure Hunter achievement is 1 755g 45s 59c. Not only it is way cheaper, but it also grants a chest that can be opened daily. The Merchandise Collector does not give any reasonable reward (T-shirt can be bought or received via WvW reward track) and at this moment can not be completed by more than 2 people.

    No. I was off from memory but you are low unless of course you assumed you get those items via buy order and noone gonna 1c overbid you for months as you wait 4 it to drop and some1 sells cheap. its 4 drops 269-400. Yeah it's cheaper just like in 6 years these items will be. The argument was what achieve depends on ranged drops which go get those drops without buying them. And you are right you get something but just like this it is not an achievement you need to do

    Treasure Hunter caused its own outrage and very few people in all these years have completed it. It is another poorly designed achievement. However, Merchandise Collector so far is THE ultimate poorly designed achievement:

    • it is virtually impossible for an average player to complete (GW2 is a game designed for casual players);
    • the most expensive and hard to get items are racial skins for one of the least played races in the game (and they are not even merchandise, they are extremely rare drops from time-gated boxes);
    • it does not give any sensible rewards (T-shirt is a joke if not an insult);
    • it is part of the chapter meta-achievement (thank God, it is not required for the meta-achievement).

    It does not matter whether I have or do not have to do. It is still a textbook example of how to frustrate your paying customers and cause community outrage.

    I have the treasure chest and I swore I spent alot more then the prices now but that was back when AB could be done once and looted by 5 alts each time and Black diamonds were 4g ea so I had so much gold I didn't care. They add ridiculous things all the time. The "i'm rich you know" the stupid ecto gamble achieves. The gold sink cultural armor. Titles you will never get like winning spvp league ranked which max 18 dudes have. 250k Wvw kills. Double of the same legendary account bound is an achieve. These and many others are all nonsense. You do what you can and ignore what you can't. And don't hide behind I'm ocd or a completionist because some dude on my block list has 40,600 AP so if you aren't close to that you have learned to ignore some.

  • Clyan.1593Clyan.1593 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2019

    Funnily enough i do have treasure hunter and some other super rare achievements aswell. I am not one of those player who shy back from doing grindy stuff, including gw1 titles, yet since i already spend 40 hours on average weekly on this game i try to take shortcuts by converting gems when it helps me being a bit more efficient.

    I just say this one is out of proportion since it includes 3 skins that all look the same, racial skins on top of that, very low rng and do not fit into the category the achievement is about at all. I dont see why this has to be. The items simply could be removed from the achievement, nothing about the rng, the artificially blown up value or anything else has to change. I dont see why this would upset ANYONE except anet, who seem interested in keeping the price high for achievement hunters. Which is absolutely unnecessary.

  • Gop.8713Gop.8713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    Why would anyone? It's not necessary to complete the Meta.

    Ikr? Its inclusion is just indefensible. Glad to see you've come around :)

  • I've not 'come around'. I am apathetic towards the issue.
    I just don't see why anyone needs to 'defend' anything about the Meta, since this particular achievement isn't necessary to complete the Meta.

  • Bloodstealer.5978Bloodstealer.5978 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 16, 2019

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    I've not 'come around'. I am apathetic towards the issue.
    I just don't see why anyone needs to 'defend' anything about the Meta, since this particular achievement isn't necessary to complete the Meta.

    No the achievement isn't necessary to complete the meta.. the meta's are key to achieving the achievement though (pun intended) unless you want to buy your achievement, which to me is a really great way to advocate playing the game for the achievement aspect it provides I guess.
    Simply put it is just a desperate unimaginative, non creative way attempt at keeping players logging into the game and keeping the map alive as long as possible, but I suspect it will only serve to have the opposite affect and turn players away once again.
    There is simply no defence for this achievement collection other than it was a way to troll the players after the live event merchandising show backlash.

    Life is what YOU make it... NOT what others tell you!

  • Gop.8713Gop.8713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    I've not 'come around'. I am apathetic towards the issue.
    I just don't see why anyone needs to 'defend' anything about the Meta, since this particular achievement isn't necessary to complete the Meta.

    You've provided a weak argument for its exclusion, but yes I know it wasn't your intent ;)

    But if you were as apathetic as you claim you wouldn't post in all the threads on the subject. Apathy is like the way I feel about build templates. Threads everywhere but I just don't care so you don't see me posting in them . . .

  • I'm glad to know someone else knows how I feel about a topic, rather than myself.
    Thanks for the information. :)

  • huluobo.7036huluobo.7036 Member ✭✭✭

    @Ryukai.6524 said:
    It went from 0.001% to 0.002% ;D

    I really admire you very much.

  • Gop.8713Gop.8713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    I'm glad to know someone else knows how I feel about a topic, rather than myself.
    Thanks for the information. :)

    Here to help :)

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 28, 2019

    Relax ! This achievement will be possible complete soon: how I understand on repeatable pvp/wvw track inside Grand Icebrood Saga Cache will be added some chest. Currently "Coming Soon" about it.
    So if I correctly understand in this chest will be added
    ACCBOUND Shoulders of the Ebon Vanguard Choice Chest
    ACCBOUND Visage of the Khan-Ur
    Hatched Chili (50)
    etc.

    Ofc someone can predict what y "Coming Soon" is not his, but I can't belive in that. Chill !!

  • Linken.6345Linken.6345 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @lare.5129 said:
    Relax ! This achievement will be possible complete soon: how I understand on repeatable pvp/wvw track inside Grand Icebrood Saga Cache will be added some chest. Currently "Coming Soon" about it.
    So if I correctly understand in this chest will be added
    ACCBOUND Shoulders of the Ebon Vanguard Choice Chest
    ACCBOUND Visage of the Khan-Ur
    Hatched Chili (50)
    etc.

    Ofc someone can predict what y "Coming Soon" is not his, but I can't belive in that. Chill !!

    And you got this information from where?

  • Ol Nik.2518Ol Nik.2518 Member ✭✭✭

    @lare.5129 said:
    Relax ! This achievement will be possible complete soon: how I understand on repeatable pvp/wvw track inside Grand Icebrood Saga Cache will be added some chest. Currently "Coming Soon" about it.
    So if I correctly understand in this chest will be added
    ACCBOUND Shoulders of the Ebon Vanguard Choice Chest
    ACCBOUND Visage of the Khan-Ur
    Hatched Chili (50)
    etc.

    Ofc someone can predict what y "Coming Soon" is not his, but I can't belive in that. Chill !!

    Could you post a link? I am afraid I was unable to find what you are referring to.

  • Frostfang.5109Frostfang.5109 Member ✭✭✭

    I would just like to unlock this skin because its a hradgear that actually fits my main race! I dont care about the collection.

    To have cultural armorpieces that are almost unobtainable feels like a slap in the face on us who play Charr.

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭

    @Linken.6345 said:

    I am sure that items will be added in pvp/wvw track. O gw2 wiki writed "soon". This is have very clear logic. Same box wiht was added on crystal oasis track. This is impossible that they keep ls story collection like curent. So relax and wait patch on 29 or next. Not need panic.

  • Gop.8713Gop.8713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Still just two on tp atm, down from a peak of four or five I think? Doubling the drop rate has not made any discernible difference in availability. Initially I thought they would make this more available over time via inclusion in loot boxes from festivals as they have done with other once-rare items, but now I could also see them just abandoning it as old content . . .

    I do not think there is any reason to believe it will be among the 'coming soon' items in the final reward from the reward tracks. The 'coming soon' items will mostly likely be mats or currencies introduced as the saga continues. Adding currently existing items at a later date so pvp and wvw players can obtain them while pve-only players are left without would be an unusual choice . . .

  • lare.5129lare.5129 Member ✭✭✭

    @Gop.8713 said:
    Doubling the drop

    about number we talk ? something like 0.0001 -> 0.0002 ? There is no any point to try get it now.

    Adding currently existing items at a later date so pvp and wvw players can obtain them while pve-only players are left without would be an unusual choice

    why not ? They was say what was attract on wvw more ..
    99%, I think, the ACCBOUND Shoulders of the Ebon Vanguard Choice Chest and ACCBOUND Visage of the Khan-Ur inside wvw reward track will come with template update.

  • Gop.8713Gop.8713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @lare.5129 said:

    @Gop.8713 said:
    Doubling the drop

    about number we talk ? something like 0.0001 -> 0.0002 ? There is no any point to try get it now.

    Which was my point . . .

    Adding currently existing items at a later date so pvp and wvw players can obtain them while pve-only players are left without would be an unusual choice

    why not ? They was say what was attract on wvw more ..
    99%, I think, the ACCBOUND Shoulders of the Ebon Vanguard Choice Chest and ACCBOUND Visage of the Khan-Ur inside wvw reward track will come with template update.

    I'm afraid you're going to be disappointed :/

  • Kururu.8140Kururu.8140 Member ✭✭✭

    I've opened that Khan-Ur chest everyday since it was introduced and I never once dropped Visage of the Khan-Ur. I dropped Bloodletter ONCE. The drop rate is silly, especially considering they're required for a collection.

  • Pifil.5193Pifil.5193 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kururu.8140 said:
    I've opened that Khan-Ur chest everyday since it was introduced and I never once dropped Visage of the Khan-Ur. I dropped Bloodletter ONCE. The drop rate is silly, especially considering they're required for a collection.

    I agree that the drop rate is silly (opening the chest is a waste of time, IMO, one should sell the keys) but they did change the collection so they're not needed anymore: if you have the other skins it'll be completed.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Kururu.8140 said:
    I've opened that Khan-Ur chest everyday since it was introduced and I never once dropped Visage of the Khan-Ur. I dropped Bloodletter ONCE. The drop rate is silly, especially considering they're required for a collection.

    The helm isn’t required.

  • Sithis.3564Sithis.3564 Member ✭✭✭

    The achivement doesn't require the helmet anymore.

    To those that want it for their favorite character. I know how You guys feel. Charr players were always some kind of 2nd class citizens. It's been years I've been waiting for new faces and horns. However I also look at this from other perspective. This is something unique that no other race can wear. Almost like an Legendary skin. Is it worth thousands of Gold? You need to decide on your own. To me it is.

  • Gop.8713Gop.8713 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The drop rates are ridiculous, but with the changes they've made since the prelude was released I think it's fine as is now . . .

  • The worst is - this helmet is not even looks good lol. I need it jsut for the achi and will never ever come back.

  • Regh.8649Regh.8649 Member ✭✭✭

    @wQnxy.7529 said:
    The worst is - this helmet is not even looks good lol. I need it jsut for the achi and will never ever come back.

    Again, just in case you haven't noticed, you no longer need the helmet to get the achiv

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  • misterman.1530misterman.1530 Member ✭✭✭

    @Magnus Godrik.5841 said:
    Do you really need everything to enjoy the game? Rng items are ok especially since the vast majority of things in this game are not rng.

    Vast majority of things? Like what? Things you can buy? Sometimes with items collected that are affected by rng (winterberries)?