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If even Wooden Potatoes is struggling with sticking to Gw2...

So this is probably one more post from one of those that played the game from the very start of Gw1 and played Gw2 and only recently is starting to feel like Gw2 is no more as interesting as before..
I thought I had to let the boredom I felt in the game pass but then i saw the video from WP and it really confirmed my fear..
Even WP is struggling creating interesting content for this game....what does that tell us? And what does that tell Anet?
No expansion, giving us little chunks of story no real repeatable content, we explored all and it takes nothing to explore those little patches that are coming out...
To me if even WP that managed all these years to make the 2 hours video on just little things about the game, then it means that the game is becoming an empty shell...
And I get it you can go for raids, done that...but what else?
If only we would get a big drop of content , if Anet focused on bringing together the small patches in something more like an expansion and add new stuff in general, it would feel more meaningless.
But yeah maybe this is just one man's thoughts....

ps: and no you can't get my stuff, I'm not leaving yet...

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  • thepenmonster.3621thepenmonster.3621 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2020

    Is he angry about the elementalist nerfs too?

    But since we're invoking authority to justify personal feelings about the game, the ghost of Cab Calloway told me that someone else's burn out and general disgruntled mood doesn't mean kitten to my experience.

    ...

  • Dantert.1803Dantert.1803 Member ✭✭✭

    @thepenmonster.3621 said:
    Is he angry about the elementalist nerfs too?

    But since we're invoking authority to justify personal feelings about the game, the ghost of Cab Calloway told me that someone else's burn out and general disgruntled mood doesn't mean kitten to my experience.

    What I said is that I am feeling in a certain way and I got my feeling confirmed seeing it from the perspective of someone so invested in the game...

  • Pirogen.9561Pirogen.9561 Member ✭✭✭

    There are 2 things very important for MMO:
    1) there must be a big boost of content from time to time. Expansion. New maps, dungeons, raids, fractals, race, class. Can't do the same stuff forever. And no, nerfs don't count as "expansion level content".

    2) other like minded people. Friends.

  • I don't know who Wooden potato is but if he has been around that long then he is probably just burned out :/
    Gotta take a break sometimes. I play SWTOR but i have to take a couple months off here and there until i get that feeling again.

  • Raknar.4735Raknar.4735 Member ✭✭✭

    He's still planning to do a lot of GW2 content, he's just branching out to increase his audience.

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  • crepuscular.9047crepuscular.9047 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I think people who watching GW2 partners' videos is not getting the underline issue, which is producing GW2 content videos alone is insufficient to support their living hood, because GW has historically have much smaller player base compare to other games

    look at how much contents WoW:C has? not very much, people just steamroll all contents within the first week, but it still drew massive number of viewers to the streamers because of WoW had historically higher number of players, even those who had quit WoW for years will be drawn to watch them just to kill time

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  • Dantert.1803Dantert.1803 Member ✭✭✭

    @thepenmonster.3621 said:

    @Dantert.1803 said:
    What I said is that I am feeling in a certain way...

    And what I'm saying is that an appeal to authority isn't worth a wooden potato. Invoking him, or any other doofus who plays video games for a living for that matter, doesn't give your personal feelings any more weight.

    You're unhappy with the state of the game? GW2 ain't Roots and you're not Kunta Kinte. Walk.

    Oh man, now you made me change my mind...not...
    XD

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    As far as I can tell WP is not changing his channel cuz of The current state of GW2.

  • He's just one guy.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Nothing wrong with him wanting to add more games to his channel.

    Honestly im surprised he didn't start doing it years ago.
    There's plenty of good games out there with great lore and stuff he can make tons of content on.
    I'd love to see him make content on Elder Scrolls or Baldurs Gate or something like that, those are great franchises as well.

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2020

    In the video he is talking about how little watch time is in certain videos. Instead of taking it as a hint that its the content no one cares about, he assumes its because the game is hurting in those places. No one cares about Living World 1 content because no one can experience it for themselves. The majority doesn't care about competitive game modes.

    It is important for there to be length in videos, but there is such a thing as videos being too long that it is overwhelming. Especially for a game where it is more fun to play than to watch others play.

    It certainly hurts when he talks down to the casuals and invalidates other's opinions that don't match his own.

  • rowdy.5107rowdy.5107 Member ✭✭✭

    Whats a wooden potato?

  • neoteo.3975neoteo.3975 Member ✭✭
    edited February 5, 2020

    Wooden patato is not gw2 player example, he is a youtuber, talks a lot makes content for bored people, but his judgement counts as any other gw2 player. Doesn't surprise if he wants to do something else.

  • Ayrilana.1396Ayrilana.1396 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Youtubers and streamers are about as representative of the player base as the players who write articles on those MMO blog sites.

    With how often, and much, that WP has been playing, I’d be surprised if he wasn’t getting burnt out.

  • Blocki.4931Blocki.4931 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    In the video he is talking about how little watch time is in certain videos. Instead of taking it as a hint that its the content no one cares about, he assumes its because the game is hurting in those places. No one cares about Living World 1 content because no one can experience it for themselves. The majority doesn't care about competitive game modes.

    Could you provide some quotes or time stamps where this is said? Because you're making it sound like we watched a completely different video.

    It is important for there to be length in videos, but there is such a thing as videos being too long that it is overwhelming. Especially for a game where it is more fun to play than to watch others play.

    He never implied this. He implied that most people follow him for GW2 content and as such these people either unsubbed, stopped supporting him on patreon or simply didn't watch those non-GW2 videos when they were more common on his main channel. There is no such thing as a gameplay video being too long. Going through changes and everything doesn't suddenly stop being interesting or relevant halfway through, unless you never cared about certain aspects of it to begin with. Many of the other streamers I follow directly upload their 5 to 8 hour streams to Youtube and it certainly did not stop their popularity or the popularity of the videos at all. Nothing stops people from just listening to it in the background while they play their own game, which is generally how most of this content is viewed.

    It certainly hurts when he talks down to the casuals and invalidates other's opinions that don't match his own.

    Again, I must ask where this is coming from because he never did this. The only thing I can read into this direction would be saying that many people don't fully enjoy releases, or that he says he doesn't personally enjoy these events or bosses that are scaled so that the lowest common denominator can complete them.

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  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Inculpatus cedo.9234 said:
    Wooden Potatoes stated he would not be any less dedicated to Guild Wars 2. He said he would be making videos on other subjects, as well.

    Part of what he said yes, he also said that according to his data the game is doing worse than it did 3-4 years ago and its hard to sustain an income through gw2 at this time.

    Content creators and game devs help eachother so if one is underperforming both are.

  • zealex.9410zealex.9410 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The video reminded me of that quote from the "exposé" nike did about raids and the state of the game a while back. Im paraphrasing but it was something like "i want to play the game, im consistently passionate but not consistently hopeful"?

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Teratus.2859 said:
    I'd love to see him make content on Elder Scrolls or Baldurs Gate or something like that, those are great franchises as well.

    Literally within hours of me posting that, WP releases an Elderscrolls video XD

    And not 10 mins before this I hear my real name and my Gw2 main characters first name mentioned within minutes of each other in the Tv show i'm currently watching.
    Too many coincidences have officially weirded me out right now lmao!!

  • Cynder.2509Cynder.2509 Member ✭✭✭

    Well then... RIP
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  • mindcircus.1506mindcircus.1506 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Blocki.4931 said:

    @Eloc Freidon.5692 said:
    In the video he is talking about how little watch time is in certain videos. Instead of taking it as a hint that its the content no one cares about, he assumes its because the game is hurting in those places. No one cares about Living World 1 content because no one can experience it for themselves. The majority doesn't care about competitive game modes.

    Could you provide some quotes or time stamps where this is said? Because you're making it sound like we watched a completely different video.

    WP was very clear on many occasion that a sizable portion of his audience immediately tunes out the moment he talks about anything PvP related. He flat out says so in the video. He's said it on stream more times than I can remember. He's more than clear about it. If you've watched his streams at all you can see a good chunk of his numbers drop the moment he starts to pvp on stream.
    This absolutely was mentioned in the video

    It certainly hurts when he talks down to the casuals and invalidates other's opinions that don't match his own.

    Again, I must ask where this is coming from because he never did this. The only thing I can read into this direction would be saying that many people don't fully enjoy releases, or that he says he doesn't personally enjoy these events or bosses that are scaled so that the lowest common denominator can complete them.

    You've not watched many of his streams. WP has been very critical of large segments of the population. And rightfully so.
    That said to characterize him as "talking down to the casuals" instead of holding the toxic casuals to task (as he does) or saying he "invalidates other's opinions that don't match his own" rather than portraying him as "arguing his own points" does nothing but prove that the person you are replying to has an agenda.

  • Zexanima.7851Zexanima.7851 Member ✭✭✭✭

    It seems to me in the past 6 months or so a lot of them have been leaving or reducing the amount of gw2 content they create. Not saying people are not allowed to change focus but it’s been several. If you like their content or not it’s important for big games to have a healthy community around it which content creators help make (why do you think game companies invest in partner programs). I don’t mean to sound too doom-and-gloom and i’m hoping the patch brings some back. What’re your thoughts?

    Depression and anxiety are the worst...

  • Zexanima.7851Zexanima.7851 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @mindcircus.1506 said:
    And in a lot of their places a new wave of them have cropped up over the past few months.
    But I guess acknowledging that doesnt fit the current narrative does it?

    Could you share some? I’m always interested in checking out new content creators

    Depression and anxiety are the worst...

  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'm amazed there are as many as there are for a game nearly 8 years old. Altho the drop in quality has prob contributed, a natural burn out is expected for the longer running creators. Plus many get older and find new priorities in life.

    But, as said above, newer ones come in as older ones phase out so overall it is the lower end of the concern spectrum that the game has right now

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  • Randulf.7614Randulf.7614 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited February 5, 2020

    @Zexanima.7851 said:

    @mindcircus.1506 said:
    And in a lot of their places a new wave of them have cropped up over the past few months.
    But I guess acknowledging that doesnt fit the current narrative does it?

    Could you share some? I’m always interested in checking out new content creators

    https://welcome.guildwars2.com/en-gb/partner-program

    There's a list there of partners. I am afraid I couldn't tell you which are new and which are old though. I see new ones tweeted about on occasion, but I follow none so I pay little attention otherwise

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  • Raknar.4735Raknar.4735 Member ✭✭✭

    Apart from a few lore videos here and there, most of the GW2 content creators have never really appealed to me. It's strange, I still watch various content creators of other games, even though I don't play their games anymore. Guess I'm just not compatible with the current creators.

    @Randulf.7614 I don't think that list is being updated. For some reason Sodapoppin is on there, someone I regularly watch, but he hasn't played this game in years, and only for a really small amount of time. Or his chat is just trolling Anet.

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  • thepenmonster.3621thepenmonster.3621 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 6, 2020

    I've been watching Mukluk recently. He hasn't gotten burned out yet.

    Also WP made it pretty clear he had to expand his content to keep the lights on and food on the table otherwise he would have kept doing things like LPs. Which is a pity he won't be doing S2 -S5 since his core game LP was exceptionally well done.

    ...

  • thepenmonster.3621thepenmonster.3621 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 6, 2020

    @mindcircus.1506 said:
    Ask yourself...

    The only thing I'll be asking myself is, "Oh, kitten. How did I miss that?"

    Thanks for the good news despite delivering it with ill intent.

    ...

  • Neural.1824Neural.1824 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @coso.9173 said:
    or just quit.

    Except that Arenanet's business model is made specifically to punish people who leave for any long length of time. If you drop out for more than 3 months, and then decide you want to get back into the game, you have to fork over cash for any living story segments you might have missed, and you'd better log in once a week for the next 3 years if you want that mount skin or glider that you missed in the Gem store while you were gone.

    Soul-binding needs to be allowed to die gracefully. It has expired. It is long past it's time to become a footnote in the history of gaming.

  • Zeivu.3615Zeivu.3615 Member ✭✭✭
    edited February 6, 2020

    He didn't say he is done with this game. Just that in the long run, limiting himself to gw2, is hurting his wallet and limiting his audience. He wants to branch out and break away from the typecast as being just a Guild Wars 2 player. WP is what got me into doing videos of my own, but he's right. No one is really interested in watching Guild Wars 2. I had to branch out myself and I am still trying to do what I love as well.

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Yet he says he's going to do even more of the same and lack any self awareness about all the points he made.

  • Eloc Freidon.5692Eloc Freidon.5692 Member ✭✭✭✭

    The "older" content creators seem to be dropping off because we aren't getting the same content cadence in the form of big name expansions, so they feel they need to change how they fill video time. The "newer" content creators are cropping up because they are finding maximum enjoyment out of what is coming out and making content based on that.

  • Zexanima.7851Zexanima.7851 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @mindcircus.1506 said:

    @thepenmonster.3621 said:
    Which is a pity he won't be doing S2 -S5 since his core game LP was exceptionally well done.

    in his big video that seems that have spurred the misinformation of this thread's OP he said the s2 LP is already well underway and that he's going to be starting to release within the next week or so.
    Just yesterday he confirmed he is already working on the S2 LP, and confirmed he will continue onwards.
    Ask yourself "Why am I misinforming people like this?"

    I was not referring just to him. There have been several leaving completely, not just doing less gw2 content. Like I said, this is not a doom and gloom thread. If people can hook me up with new content creators i’m all for it.

    Depression and anxiety are the worst...

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    GW2 is an old game. It is not getting much meaningful updates. I would be surprised if it makes it with have its current player base by the end of this year. Not enough viewers for content creators.