lightDestroyer.1265 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Yes it does a lot of dmg, but its best attacks are highly telegraphed. All it has is huge numbers and too little sustain. I am not a necro main and so i have only fought against them. And reality is, it can be deleted by a +1 if people focus it. Even people complaing about vindicator gs5 is not great. It could use a a bit of dmg toning down. What nerf vindicator needs is to its sustain. 3 3 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Attacks being highly telegraphed is a good argument for arguing against nerfs here? 2 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myun.6395 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 12 minutes ago, lightDestroyer.1265 said: Yes it does a lot of dmg, but its best attacks are highly telegraphed. All it has is huge numbers and too little sustain. I am not a necro main and so i have only fought against them. And reality is, it can be deleted by a +1 if people focus it. Even people complaing about vindicator gs5 is not great. It could use a a bit of dmg toning down. What nerf vindicator needs is to its sustain. Thanks to the mobility, shroud5 and all the oneshot potential I am 10 times more survivable on my harbi than core necro. You must be delusional to defend such a toxic spec. It is the same necro story of every patch, the most noob friendly spammy low risk high reward playstyle build which anet refuses to nerf or will do in years. So much fun to have another 2 years of necro meta. 4 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightDestroyer.1265 Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 10 minutes ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: Attacks being highly telegraphed is a good argument for arguing against nerfs here? Well, that and the fact that harbringer has bad sustain period. Take away the dmg and harbringer is useless. I mean it is still bad, but not utterly useless like it will become after nerf. 2 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightDestroyer.1265 Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, myun.6395 said: Thanks to the mobility, shroud5 and all the oneshot potential I am 10 times more survivable on my harbi than core necro. You must be delusional to defend such a toxic spec. It is the same necro story of every patch, the most noob friendly spammy low risk high reward playstyle build which anet refuses to nerf or will do in years. So much fun to have another 2 years of necro meta. You are more survivable on your harbi than core? Lol. We are done here. Nice joke btw. Edit:- Also, the meta is not going to be harbringer. It will probably be mechanist, bladesworn, vindicator and specter from the eod specs. Edited March 16, 2022 by lightDestroyer.1265 4 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 4 minutes ago, lightDestroyer.1265 said: Well, that and the fact that harbringer has bad sustain period. Take away the dmg and harbringer is useless. I mean it is still bad, but not utterly useless like it will become after nerf. Having bad sustain/high telegraphs has never stopped these forums before. Edited March 16, 2022 by Azure The Heartless.3261 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightDestroyer.1265 Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: Having bad sustain/high telegraphs has never stopped these forums before. Hmm i am getting you, but i have faith that some people like you will get what i am saying. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myun.6395 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 26 minutes ago, lightDestroyer.1265 said: You are more survivable on your harbi than core? Lol. We are done here. Nice joke btw. Edit:- Also, the meta is not going to be harbringer. It will probably be mechanist, bladesworn, vindicator and specter from the eod specs. Mechanist is pretty useless with his mech perma cc rooted blinded right now, better still play holo. With a dedicated healer harbinger is meta, don't doubt that. All top players monthly at winners are playing it and they are again top leaderboard. If it's weak and trash like you say with zero sustain they would have struggle to play it. They are playing it coz it works, and it's overtuned just like vindi and mechanist pre nerf. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Its necro with lots of mobility and hard cc. Im going ro hate fighting it no matter how strong it is. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucentfir.7430 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just another nail for our lord and savior CmC, to do his divine work to hammer into the ground. Bless 🙏 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Harbinger is fine! It actually dies when you focus it. maybe reduce coefficient on voracious arc by 20% and the spec is pretty balanced imo. 3 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Marshal.4098 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 hours ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: Having bad sustain/high telegraphs has never stopped these forums before. Headbutt says hi kekw 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crozame.4098 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 And people defending Harbinger now. So vind GW5 is has a insanely fast animation~~ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eugchriss.2046 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 9 hours ago, Sahne.6950 said: Harbinger is fine! It actually dies when you focus it. maybe reduce coefficient on voracious arc by 20% and the spec is pretty balanced imo. Which class does not die when you focus it? Classic biais in action here. 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightDestroyer.1265 Posted March 16, 2022 Author Share Posted March 16, 2022 8 minutes ago, Eugchriss.2046 said: Which class does not die when you focus it? Classic biais in action here. Hello core support guard and other duelists. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lysico.1297 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Spec needs a major nerf. Like today,,…. Way too much dps 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Ketsu.4569 Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 The elite has a terrible animation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 14 hours ago, Eugchriss.2046 said: Which class does not die when you focus it? Classic biais in action here. Core Necro? I am not even playing harbinger... i dont even have EoD... how am i biased? 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 Welcome to Warriors world. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downstate.4697 Posted March 17, 2022 Share Posted March 17, 2022 The damage on harbinger also exists on berserker and no one complains about that. The reason harbinger is good is the same reason reaper is good. It has good ranged damage and good melee damage with access to two teleports. If you nerf its damage there is no reason to run it over reaper right now. What they should really do is double down on its hybrid nature by nerfing some power coefficients and increasing is condi output so it has an identity outside of reaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashgar.3024 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 On 3/16/2022 at 12:59 AM, lightDestroyer.1265 said: Yes it does a lot of dmg, but its best attacks are highly telegraphed Not an excuse anymore after what happened to Vindicator GS5. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 (edited) Lmao we're just determined to make sure everyone suffers while playing anything that is a class we don't play, while somehow expecting enough people will still play it to give us dopamine for beating them Edited March 18, 2022 by Azure The Heartless.3261 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 All tournament players here? 😁 The harbinger metabuild (carrion, curses, soul reaping) is only viable when strictly put aside a dedicated healer. In unorganized fights it is a freekill above bronze division skill level. (Keep in mind that most bronze division skill level players are in gold division actally since everthing below is just bots.) Did you notice that ANet did not nerf harbinger yet in contrast to other EOD specs? That is the reason. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdawgie.1835 Posted March 18, 2022 Share Posted March 18, 2022 2 hours ago, Azure The Heartless.3261 said: Lmao we're just determined to make sure everyone suffers while playing anything that is a class we don't play, while somehow expecting enough people will still play it to give us dopamine for beating them You sir have won the internet. This is the forums in its purest form. I wish Anet would SEE THIS AND STOP TAKING ANYTHING SERIOUSLY SAID. In all reality if Anet did the opposite of every request ever made on here, we would be better off. Truly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youle.5824 Posted March 19, 2022 Share Posted March 19, 2022 On 3/17/2022 at 8:33 AM, FrownyClown.8402 said: The damage on harbinger also exists on berserker and no one complains about that. The reason harbinger is good is the same reason reaper is good. It has good ranged damage and good melee damage with access to two teleports. If you nerf its damage there is no reason to run it over reaper right now. What they should really do is double down on its hybrid nature by nerfing some power coefficients and increasing is condi output so it has an identity outside of reaper. Hmm condi harbinger is already as good as power harbinger if not better, the reason top players play power is because it's fun not because it's better then condi harb, (or reaper for that matter) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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