FatFarmer.9425 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 (edited) I am convinced that Anet devs cannot name a single piece of GW2 content where Elementalist is currently the best at doing anything. Literally the only niche where it was "the best" at doing a small tiny thing in the game was in WvW by using Fire Staff 5 to do ranged damage to an enemy zerg. And Anet just nerfed the hell out of it. It seems that Anet is determined to make Elementalist players give up on their class and play something else. I've been playing Ele since launch and it really does feel like choosing Ele is just playing GW2 on hard mode for no benefit. When I switch to my other classes I can play my rotations with half the speed and usually live longer while doing it. Edited May 12, 2022 by FatFarmer.9425 17 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldtart.4785 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 There was a recent patch in which Anet said they wanted to bring up some less used builds in performance and in that patch they nerfed tempest. Says it all really. 4 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miannei.5072 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 They dont hate us, sure we would not mind some changes here ans there. But over all i think elementalists are in a Good spot atm. 1 4 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syvaris Laskaris.5247 Posted May 12, 2022 Share Posted May 12, 2022 1 hour ago, Anadur.4832 said: They dont hate us, sure we would not mind some changes here ans there. But over all i think elementalists are in a Good spot atm. I mean if you use Warrior for a frame of reference anything can look good I guess, maybe your right. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poelala.2830 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Catalyst is amazing in sPvP 1 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jski.6180 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Why? Yes is the only reasonable answer. Anet has gone comply out of there way to deprived the ele class effects that they given out to other classes at the same time nerfed skills that only do "one thing" (mostly dmg) as if they are also doing hard cc. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blood Red Arachnid.2493 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 Speedrunning guilds (Kormir) are currently stacking Catalysts onto one party because the group quickness baked into the spec is enough to keep it up with 3 of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jski.6180 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 12 minutes ago, Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said: Speedrunning guilds (Kormir) are currently stacking Catalysts onto one party because the group quickness baked into the spec is enough to keep it up with 3 of them. In wvw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlKamui.5120 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 I actually think elementalists are in a good spot for melee playstyles. For the ranged weapons though… Staff needs a lot of love considering a large group of people pick elementalists because they wanna be the archetypal spell slinging mage. 4 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draxynnic.3719 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said: Speedrunning guilds (Kormir) are currently stacking Catalysts onto one party because the group quickness baked into the spec is enough to keep it up with 3 of them. Honestly, even that feels a bit like a failure of design. It's basically the "stack DPS mesmers with Time Warp" or "stack DPS guardians with Feel My Wrath" principle again: when you can get sufficient quickness to get you through a phase by stacking DPS roles with a single quickness skill, that's going to come at a smaller DPS loss than having a dedicated quickness provider. You'll note that both of those prior examples were nerfed in the end so that they're no longer viable. That will probably happen to Catalyst as well. Problem is, having access to at least 33% quickness uptime (and higher with alacrity) is pretty much baked into Catalyst, so the only realistic options they have for removing this team setup is to substantially reduce the base uptime, move quickness into requiring traits to access, or reduce the damage and pigeonhole catalyst into the boon support role. Pure DPS chronos, firebrands, and harbingers exist because you can swap the quickness stuff out for skills and traits that boost your DPS, but catalyst just doesn't have that option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attractiveman.7164 Posted May 13, 2022 Share Posted May 13, 2022 8 hours ago, Blood Red Arachnid.2493 said: Speedrunning guilds (Kormir) are currently stacking Catalysts onto one party because the group quickness baked into the spec is enough to keep it up with 3 of them. Shhhh, can we not let anet in on things that actually work well about ele? Everytime we get something good they take it away. So let's keep the good stuff quiet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace.1784 Posted May 14, 2022 Share Posted May 14, 2022 On 5/13/2022 at 2:17 AM, draxynnic.3719 said: Honestly, even that feels a bit like a failure of design. It's basically the "stack DPS mesmers with Time Warp" or "stack DPS guardians with Feel My Wrath" principle again: when you can get sufficient quickness to get you through a phase by stacking DPS roles with a single quickness skill, that's going to come at a smaller DPS loss than having a dedicated quickness provider. You'll note that both of those prior examples were nerfed in the end so that they're no longer viable. That will probably happen to Catalyst as well. Problem is, having access to at least 33% quickness uptime (and higher with alacrity) is pretty much baked into Catalyst, so the only realistic options they have for removing this team setup is to substantially reduce the base uptime, move quickness into requiring traits to access, or reduce the damage and pigeonhole catalyst into the boon support role. Pure DPS chronos, firebrands, and harbingers exist because you can swap the quickness stuff out for skills and traits that boost your DPS, but catalyst just doesn't have that option. Which is why I am confused they didn't swap the Fury and Quickness component for the air sphere. Hopefully the larger plans in the June patch has a solution for this because you are correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draxynnic.3719 Posted May 15, 2022 Share Posted May 15, 2022 8 hours ago, Vinteros Asteano.1209 said: Which is why I am confused they didn't swap the Fury and Quickness component for the air sphere. Hopefully the larger plans in the June patch has a solution for this because you are correct. Yeah, there's a few changes I'd probably make to the boons granted by the spheres if I had my way. For instance, I'd probably swap Resolution and Resistance - Resolution on water is pretty niche (certainly in PvE), and the swap would give earth sphere a pretty solid theme of "reduce incoming damage" while water's theme would be "slip out of whatever's coming your way". 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vardeleanu.8972 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) Because anet hates skill. Simple and obvious : Just look at the things ele, theif and core engi have to do pull off to have the same dps as a autoatacking revenant or a lobotimized soulbeast. not to even mention the states of necro and guardian. Edited May 20, 2022 by vardeleanu.8972 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serephen.3420 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 20 minutes ago, vardeleanu.8972 said: Because anet hates skill. Simple and obvious : Just look at the things ele, theif and core engi have to do pull off to have the same dps as a autoatacking revenant or a lobotimized soulbeast. not to even mention the states of necro and guardian. Engie has mech now for their 1111 rotation. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinisterSeven.2781 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) well at least we can tell the new players they aren't bad at elementalist. it's just literally the worst class, because the makers of gw2 want it to be the worst class. Edited May 20, 2022 by SinisterSeven.2781 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telgum.6071 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 I love when people is so mad and disconnected from reality that they unironically think that "Anet hates X". 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jski.6180 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 7 hours ago, Telgum.6071 said: I love when people is so mad and disconnected from reality that they unironically think that "Anet hates X". If a person act in such a way they DO hate something but that dose not mean the person them self knows it. Some times you as some one else out side of anet or a group need to point this out to get the "inside the group" to see this. This is normal human group think. Kind of why do "I" think the way or act the way "I" do when some one points out my action or writings (thoughts). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telgum.6071 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 4 hours ago, Jski.6180 said: If a person act in such a way they DO hate something but that dose not mean the person them self knows it. Some times you as some one else out side of anet or a group need to point this out to get the "inside the group" to see this. This is normal human group think. Kind of why do "I" think the way or act the way "I" do when some one points out my action or writings (thoughts). If a person doesn't meet your expectations and/or have different opinions than yours it doesn't mean they hate you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddbopkins.2630 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) Ele is a complicated class because it has 20(20+with weaver)skills. It honestly takes a big brain to play ele perfectly and a bigger brain to balance it correctly. However because of the lack of attention required to properly balance we get 1/2 @ssed attempts that just end up killing the class in general Edited May 20, 2022 by Eddbopkins.2630 Spelling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunshine.5014 Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Eddbopkins.2630 said: Ele is a complicated class because it has 20(20+with weaver)skills. It honestly takes a big brain to play ele perfectly and a bigger brain to balance it correctly. However because of the lack of attention required to properly balance we get 1/2 @ssed attempts that just end up killing the class in general Ele is not complicated because it has 20+ skills. It's complicated and requires high skill level because IT'S LOCKED OUT of 15+ skills at all time. It's the inaccessible skills in non-attuned attunements that makes Ele hard. You're on Fire for DPS. Wanna CC? It's locked behind Air. Okay, swapped to Air for CC. Now you're locked out of Fire for 10s and your DPS suffers. Oops, didn't dodge right and you take a 10k hit. On Necro, you can simply wait for healer to heal. On Ele, you have 1k HP left, you better swap to water to heal. Now you're locked out of your DPS attunement for 10s and your DPS suffers. Again, people need to stop thinking of the 20 skills as an advantage. Being locked out of 15 skills is a liability and a big disadvantage. Ele will forever be nerfed into oblivion if people keep thinking the 20 skills is an advantage. *It is not.* Edited May 20, 2022 by Sunshine.5014 8 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 16 hours ago, Eddbopkins.2630 said: Ele is a complicated class because it has 20(20+with weaver)skills. It honestly takes a big brain to play ele perfectly and a bigger brain to balance it correctly. However because of the lack of attention required to properly balance we get 1/2 @ssed attempts that just end up killing the class in general Please.......firebrand has 20 skills+ and look where it stands compared to ele, all other professions on average have 15 skills + utilities, ele is kitten because the design itself is kitten and that got nothing to do with having 20 skill . Just take a look at the following for comparison : https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Armor_of_Earth VS https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/"Stand_Your_Ground!" And this is just one of many examples, this is why ele is kitten! It's designed to be kitten and they want it to stay there! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, Telgum.6071 said: If a person doesn't meet your expectations and/or have different opinions than yours it doesn't mean they hate you. Tell me more about your theory please....No....they really don't hate the class: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Smite_Condition VS https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cleansing_Fire Look how they love the class... Edited May 21, 2022 by Arheundel.6451 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliamRationem.5172 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 27 minutes ago, Arheundel.6451 said: Tell me more about your theory please....No....they really don't hate the class: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Smite_Condition VS https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cleansing_Fire Look how they love the class... LoL He seemed awfully proud of himself! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telgum.6071 Posted May 21, 2022 Share Posted May 21, 2022 33 minutes ago, Arheundel.6451 said: Tell me more about your theory please....No....they really don't hate the class: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Smite_Condition VS https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Cleansing_Fire Look how they love the class... Sure buddy they hate their own created class, they are on the verge to remove it. Or whatever your mind is up to. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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