Copyright.9082 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Harbinger is a pretty good class but its main problem is survivability. Apart from the elite, which only lasts a few seconds, harbingers are sitting ducks. This lack of survivability steams from the fact harbingers are ranged damage dealers and therefore just die when in melee range. There was the same problem with deadeye and Arenanet made it work by giving them "special survivability tools". I would therefore advocate a similar solution for harbingers with something like 1.2 k auto attacks and stealth on dodge. I feel this would bring harbingers more in line with the current dominating specs such as core engineers and spellbreakers. 4 21 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 The sustain comes from ele and warrior support. Better nerf these. 4 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanAlcedo.3281 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Oh Ho Ho. You almost got me there. 😄 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Classic Perception.2507 said: Harbinger is a pretty good class but its main problem is survivability. Apart from the elite, which only lasts a few seconds, harbingers are sitting ducks. This lack of survivability steams from the fact harbingers are ranged damage dealers and therefore just die when in melee range. There was the same problem with deadeye and Arenanet made it work by giving them "special survivability tools". I would therefore advocate a similar solution for harbingers with something like 1.2 k auto attacks and stealth on dodge. I feel this would bring harbingers more in line with the current dominating specs such as core engineers and spellbreakers. at first i was like: TAKE THE BIGGEST "CONFUSE" ever!!!... but then i just lol´d. Edited June 2, 2022 by Sahne.6950 1 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity.2876 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, Classic Perception.2507 said: This lack of survivability steams from the fact harbingers are ranged damage dealers and therefore just die when in melee range. you know you can play staff and drop half a dozen aoes on your self making it impossible/near impossible to melee 3 hours ago, Classic Perception.2507 said: There was the same problem with deadeye and Arenanet made it work by giving them "special survivability tools". deadeye has the lowest max health in the game. i do agree it has less sustain than some professions but the metabattle build has quite alot of sustain. 3 hours ago, Classic Perception.2507 said: I feel this would bring harbingers more in line with the current dominating specs such as core engineers and spellbreakers. I got a good laugh out of this. 🙂 Edited June 2, 2022 by Infinity.2876 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrorhuz.4695 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Infinity.2876 said: deadeye dosent have an extra health bar of shroud to boot Neither does harbinger, their shroud doesn't soak up damage. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lotus.5672 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 59 minutes ago, Sahne.6950 said: . 8 minutes ago, Infinity.2876 said: - This is the kind of people that plays this game mode, cant even spot the most obvious joke. If I was anet I would ignore this subforum full of crayon eaters too 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) 22 hours ago, lotus.5672 said: This is the kind of people that plays this game mode, cant even spot the most obvious joke. If I was anet I would ignore this subforum full of crayon eaters too huh? i think you completly missunderstood what i was saying... Edited June 3, 2022 by Sahne.6950 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity.2876 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Sahne.6950 said: huh? i think you completly missunderstood what i was saying... but hey whatcha gonna do about it. 😃 He could get on his FB and hunt you down and use the scepter AA but that's irrelavent.... 5 minutes ago, lotus.5672 said: This is the kind of people that plays this game mode, cant even spot the most obvious joke. If I was anet I would ignore this subforum full of crayon eaters too yes I can spot a joke I was just posting just in case he was actually serious. would you like it if someone laughed at your perfectly serious thread? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Just now, Infinity.2876 said: yes I can spot a joke I was just posting just in case he was actually serious. would you like it if someone laughed at your perfectly serious thread? he said that core Engie is dominating.... a trollpost cant be any more obvious:D 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity.2876 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 1 minute ago, Sahne.6950 said: he said that core Engie is dominating.... a trollpost cant be any more obvious:D hence the laughing emoji. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazsi.2734 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 11 minutes ago, lotus.5672 said: If I was anet I would ignore this subforum full of crayon eaters too Do we have any proof that they don't? I'm pretty sure they do ignore feedback from here. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infinity.2876 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) also this is what i found on the metabattle pistol curses build if anyone is interested (yes this may be a troll post so everybody can chill) I'd like you all to note that most other builds have not gotten as much good reviews Acezelpyer gave this build 5 stars • May 2022 High damage, decent defense and your sheer presence makes others fear you. If you get popping off your target is going to fold fast, and that's the name of your game. Sheer overwhelming force. Remember your shroud here doesn't cover your HP so you're taking all that damage to your face. https://metabattle.com/wiki/images/d/dd/5-star.png Hanz gave this build 5 stars • March 2022 Excellent damage, good mobility, okay sustain. One of the strongest builds of the new expansion. Harbinger is even squishier than the other nec specs so might take some time to adjust for some, but the damage makes up for it. Brings the usual necro things to the table, not much else to say. https://metabattle.com/wiki/images/d/dd/5-star.png MaxWolfe gave this build 5 stars • March 2022 Great build with good pressure and survivability if played well. Virtually unbeatable if you have no condition cures. I play this as Pistol/Dagger, Scepter/Focus and it works well. I'm currently running Blood Magic instead of SR which might be worth a shot if you are struggling with sustain. Give it a go! https://metabattle.com/wiki/images/d/dd/5-star.png Primeauxvera gave this build 5 stars • March 2022 The fun part about this build, is that it can be overwhelming to your opponent to fight if you play it aggressively. Good crowd controls, if you utilize the utilities correctly you can be very mobile. High damage, carrion amulet is a great choice since harbinger doesn't have a second HP bar. I recommend this to anybody, especially if you're used to playing support classes. This is the glassy spec you need, to break you out of that defensive support class mentality, and into the world of dps. Overall it's a good option for anyone to pick up. 🙂 Edited June 2, 2022 by Infinity.2876 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Anet: Got it! we nerf Core Engie! 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greedywholesome.9081 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 3 hours ago, Classic Perception.2507 said: Harbinger is a pretty good class but its main problem is survivability. Apart from the elite, which only lasts a few seconds, harbingers are sitting ducks. This lack of survivability steams from the fact harbingers are ranged damage dealers and therefore just die when in melee range. There was the same problem with deadeye and Arenanet made it work by giving them "special survivability tools". I would therefore advocate a similar solution for harbingers with something like 1.2 k auto attacks and stealth on dodge. I feel this would bring harbingers more in line with the current dominating specs such as core engineers and spellbreakers. GENIUS. Im such a shallow proletariat but this is genius as are some of the comments to nerf support warriors and ele. LOLOLOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar.3568 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 1 hour ago, Terrorhuz.4695 said: Neither does harbinger, their shroud doesn't soak up damage. It actually does, necro shroud decreases incoming DMG by 50%, this is also true for harbinger shroud 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Meta.3158 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 2 minutes ago, Avatar.3568 said: It actually does, necro shroud decreases incoming DMG by 50%, this is also true for harbinger shroud Amber Heard. Is that you? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpel.3972 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 4 hours ago, Classic Perception.2507 said: There was the same problem with deadeye and Arenanet made it work by giving them "special survivability tools". "Same problem with Deadeye" lol. Harbinger can stay on a point and spam their skill while surround by his aoe when deadeye need to stealth and can't hold a point. No wonder why one is meta and not the other 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greedywholesome.9081 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Metaologist.2487 said: Amber Heard. Is that you? Pls don't involve Amber Heard in this thread. She's suffered enough as a "victim" and such a generous person for "donating" $7M to two charities. LOL #teamJackSparrowForever #FUDisney&WB Edited June 2, 2022 by greedywholesome.9081 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lysico.1297 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 I face tank. 36k health on my harbinger. Staff and pistol dagger. Easy mode at least thru gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Classic Perception.2507 said: Harbinger is a pretty good class but its main problem is survivability. Eh? You might be doing something wrong with your play style there. Harbinger actually has strong sustain, especially considering how much DPS it pumps. Edited June 2, 2022 by Trevor Boyer.6524 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lysico.1297 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 Op was being sarcastic. Seems folks not getting it 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 They had me in the first half ngl. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.8623 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 14 minutes ago, lysico.1297 said: Op was being sarcastic. Seems folks not getting it We have to hope the devs do, or this might get the wrong action lol. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greedywholesome.9081 Posted June 2, 2022 Share Posted June 2, 2022 this thread is so funny. sure i understand the confused emoji the OP got despite the blatant contradiction of the last 2 sentences. what's making me lololololol right now are the 2 purple emojis he got. hahahahahaha. sorry im terrible coz...what if some outsourced intern or apprentice takes this thread seriously and applies OPs requests. most likely won't happen but you'll never know. excuse the lack of capitalization. in a boring lunch meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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