Lysico.4906 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Very solid update. bunkers vindicator nerfed willbbender nerfed harbinger elite nerf 100% happy with this as a scrapper 9 2 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bethekey.8314 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Yeah, honestly pretty good. Just months late. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Downstate.4697 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Now its time for d/d catalyst to take over vindi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArthurDent.9538 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Why was anyone even still playing bunk vindicator? The only thing it could do was stall a node. It couldn't win or even decap 1v1 against any build with decent sustain, and had major "all my friends are dead" syndrome in fights in 2v2's or larger. Genuine question what was it actually good for? I almost never saw it after the first treesong nerf in ranked or at's. I am kind of salty because the alliance stance heals are kind of trash now and offensive vindi is super fun but it'll probably be pretty bad now. 6 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hotride.2187 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Honestly reading "in pvp only" kills me a little inside each time. Its like wvw doesn't exist. Guess its time to move to spvp... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sootser.9541 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, Hotride.2187 said: Honestly reading "in pvp only" kills me a little inside each time. Its like wvw doesn't exist. Guess its time to move to spvp... We do need a bigger pool of players though ❤️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysico.4906 Posted July 19, 2022 Author Share Posted July 19, 2022 Come to pvp. Water is salty but it is from the tears of the fallen 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 That update sounds more in line with the prudence I expect from Arenanet. I still think it's funny they have no idea how to approach/are stunlocked when it comes to war adjustment, but the crit chance move was a nice gesture. Appreciated. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Image.8630 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) Aww still no fix for the leather and cloth disappearing nodes in home instance. ☹️ Tks for fixing the shy pirate story re-activating each time i changed map, char or log. Was quite annoying. 🥰 Edited July 19, 2022 by Image.8630 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Warrior Mains: "Here is a perfectly reasonable set of changes that War needs". Arenanet: "Nope, go ahead and take this 5% crit buff. Be happy about it." 2 1 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 8 minutes ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said: Warrior Mains: "Here is a perfectly reasonable set of changes that War needs". Arenanet: "Nope, go ahead and take this 5% crit buff. Be happy about it." While true, they also stated that there was only a small window of time to get a few changes into today's patch as it was already far along the pipeline. Now, the next few patches however don't have that amount of grace left in them. But then, warriors have been compiling a perfectly reasonable set of changes for warrior for the past 2 years so... 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buran.3796 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 Now that Vindi heals are as bad as Firebrand ones in PvP ther's no longer an excuse to try to play Vindi at ranked and fail miserably instead of play FB and had a moderate success with a troll build... 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny.7260 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 32 minutes ago, Buran.3796 said: Now that Vindi heals are as bad as Firebrand ones in PvP ther's no longer an excuse to try to play Vindi at ranked and fail miserably instead of play FB and had a moderate success with a troll build... Frankly, people could just go Jalis/Shiro instead of Alliance Stance... It's Renegade all over again lol. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said: Warrior Mains: "Here is a perfectly reasonable set of changes that War needs". Arenanet: "Nope, go ahead and take this 5% crit buff. Be happy about it." I'm furious but I don't expect them to uproot _prod just to fix one out of nine of the classes that has been cruelly balanced. The balance devs don't have sway over the skills team, I'm sure the team handling the live release of the game would draw swords on them if they tried. It's pointless to be mad about it (ṟ̵̙̄̊i̴̤̿͌g̵͇̺̀͊h̶̘̪͂͐t̴̫̑ͅ ̴̙̋̆ņ̸̊̎ơ̷̥̖̕w̷̦̍̉ͅ) , none of the pieces on the board can move atm. Gotta know when to put a cap on your fury, at least for the time being. Let's hope they get it ironed out before they get to Steam, though. A lesson should be learned here, generally, about how obnoxiously difficult it is to crawl out of the nerf pit when Keith the Undodging gets hit for 15k and goes on a nerf crusade to soothe his ego. Edited July 19, 2022 by Azure The Heartless.3261 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure The Heartless.3261 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 28 minutes ago, Vinny.7260 said: Frankly, people could just go Jalis/Shiro instead of Alliance Stance... It's Renegade all over again lol. Can they please free condi revenant on that note 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddbopkins.2630 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 I hope this is a start to consistency. Small but meaningful balances like this is what is healthy for pvp. I wouldn't mind seeing balance/ skill updates every 2-4 weeks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tulkas.2576 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 43 minutes ago, Vinny.7260 said: Frankly, people could just go Jalis/Shiro instead of Alliance Stance... It's Renegade all over again lol. im glad they haven’t touched these. I already roll Shiro/Jalis for my power vindi and I’m actually glad alliance got hit because now I’m not tempted to keep trying it out. shiro/jalis forever! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buran.3796 Posted July 19, 2022 Share Posted July 19, 2022 2 hours ago, Vinny.7260 said: Frankly, people could just go Jalis/Shiro instead of Alliance Stance... It's Renegade all over again lol. But with Renegade Forced Engagement had a reach of 1200, now 600, and Planar Protection a cooldown of 20s, now 30s. I wouldn't touch Renegade at PvP ever again. Rene was already OUT of meta before EoD, and the nerfs to Jalis and Retribution due ANet didn't care to adress Vindi made Ren even worse. Is like them nerfing core Engie for no reasons while no one is playing it while buffing Mech. Anyway: meta yesterday was guards, necros and specter, nothing changed. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 cata spectacular sphere and staunch auras need to get nerfed next 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazsi.2734 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Lan Deathrider.5910 said: While true, they also stated that there was only a small window of time to get a few changes into today's patch as it was already far along the pipeline. This... this is just bullsh*t. We know since they pushed an unplanned patch in less than 24 hours after the June 28 monstrosity dropped. Sure that's what the devs say, but we have honestly no reason to believe what they say at this point. The overlap between what they say and what they do is... lessening. Alliances promised for 2018, rework for the 300 sec traits in 2020 for PvP, even EoD as they repeatedly stated that Cantha is problematic, so we shouldn't expect it ever. And these are just a few big things off the top of my head, there are dozens more.... Giving them the benefit of the doubt would be just like insulting myself at this point. I care what they say when they post "this is coming to the game next tuesday". Anything other than that is just... irrelevant. Edited July 20, 2022 by Bazsi.2734 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 now it's cata and DE meta i can already see they going for cata and core trait when it comes to nerf while de will get a 1 sec ss reduction only lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khalisto.5780 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 I think dmg nerfs are overall bad Small sustain nerfs are better cuz you have to play more carefully bit you still can pump those big numbers when you need or is left uncheck Now the bunker meta and support presence is stronger than never Even as an ele main i think tempest will be super kitten cuz you have no pressure dmg condi or power We back to pre eod when it comes to boring 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sindrener.1592 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 2 hours ago, Khalisto.5780 said: I think dmg nerfs are overall bad Small sustain nerfs are better cuz you have to play more carefully bit you still can pump those big numbers when you need or is left uncheck Now the bunker meta and support presence is stronger than never Even as an ele main i think tempest will be super kitten cuz you have no pressure dmg condi or power We back to pre eod when it comes to boring Agreed, wb defo didnt need damage nerfs when they hit their sustain prior to this. It was already falling off in favor for herald. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysico.4906 Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 Wb needed more nerfs. Was great to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuma.1503 Posted July 20, 2022 Share Posted July 20, 2022 ANet has gotten good at nerfing the overperforming stuff. (in most cases). I'm glad they toned down WB and 🍔 Can we finally start buffing the underperforming stuff. Starting with 300 sec CDs. Been waiting on that for nearly 3 years now. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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