October 4 Balance Update Preview

[EriskRedLemur.7153]

2 minutes ago, Xyonon.3987 said:

You forgot the notes on pMech nerfs. 🙂

(no this is not a salty joke, they mentioned it in the stream :D)

They said not everything mentioned would be in the patch notes right now but final ones. But Im ready.

[Kuma.1503]

Sooooo If I use Bulwark Gyro on my friends, and don't hit myself. Will I one shot myself without getting the barrier from the gyro?

 

Maybe this should be changed to just pulse barrier to allies in an AoE instead. 

 

Also I fully expect Soulbeast to hit 40k+ benchmark in PvE after these changes. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by Kuma.1503

[Bomboed.5697]

Just now, Matoro.9708 said:

I am loving the motivation of the team to address balance issues and the consistency of the work put in lately. 

I'll throw in my obligatory "what about turrets?" coin as well. If anyone can change them, Cal can.

Anet keeps changing things nobody asked for and ignoring things people talking about for years.
Who asked for scrapper changes? Nobody. People asked about Turrets reworks. People asked about most of Gadgets being useless. People asked about Pistols changes. People asked about Pistol #1 being broken for years. People asked for Core condi- build changes.
And yet they decided to destroy Scrapper for no reason.

[Kaizz.7306]

2 minutes ago, Kheron.9062 said:

I'm sorry, what? The long dodge wasn't overpowered. It literally made you weaker, you lost time that could have been spent doing literally anything else. But it was fun. I liked it because it was different.

The scrapper gyros could get number nerfs. If healing squads in wvw or giving mass stealth is too much, limit stealth duration. Limit target caps. Lower heal numbers, cleanse less condis. There's ways to nerf things without changing what makes them unique.

Literally just increase the pulse interval for wells so I'm not cleansing as often per use, or getting what? 15-20 seconds of stealth off 1 sneak gyro. I never wanted gyros to be considered well in the first place, and now they're going to be clunky and annoying as hell to use.

[cryorion.9532]

Warrior changes look so gooooooood. Looking forward to play some WvW again 🙂 

[Lazze.9870]

1 hour ago, Jash.3104 said:

How do you seriously talk about removing things that make a specialisation feel less fluid and then completely ruin Scrapper like that? So counterproductive.

The fact of the matter is that wvw support scrapper has been overloaded with utility which no other options are ever gonna be able to compete unless they made drastic changes.

Now it has wells that behave like actual wells. Fair enough. Shame they let the interaction run for as long as it did, people are used to be being carried by scrappers.

Too bad tempest is likely just gonna replace it if people can stomach the superspeed/stealth trade-off, so not a huge shift as it was already a decent alternative. But at least it doesn't have the same utility output. Makes it easier to balance the support situation further.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Lazze.9870

[Lazze.9870]

1 minute ago, Kylden Ar.3724 said:

So, Vindicator gets to have 2 dodges, but Mirage still gets to be gutted with one?

They literally said they are working on it, but haven't found a solution they are happy with. Mirage is getting two dodges back at some point.

[cgMatt.5162]

Scrapper is dead with ground target and Cleansing Field/Fumigate cooldowns. In WvW Support Tempest will replace it because the cleanse output was already competitive. 

Edited September 16, 2022 by cgMatt.5162

[GuriGashi.5617]

1 minute ago, cat.8975 said:

Firebrand may be unused, but Willbender is currently fine. It could maybe use a tiny bump to its damage output, but to say people don't use the physical skills is nonsense. The heal, elite, stun-break, and spin are all great skills. The kick and shadowstep are the only stinkers in the bunch.

Anet should have the statistics, pretty sure no one in higher league uses Roiling Light, Flash Combo, Heel Crack or Heavens Palm at all unless they are trolling. Willbender doesn‘t even have a trait that interacts with physical skills

[Kuma.1503]

AoE quickness is gone from Scrapper and Herald. 

 

But we forgot about Harbinger? Reminder that Cele harb is a menace in WvW and Curses Harb is still top tier in PvP. 

[Diktator.8927]

On 9/14/2022 at 6:22 PM, Double Tap said:

• Scrapper wells are now stationary ground-targeted skills with a range of 900.

 

Well, at least now I know I'm not touching my Scrapper ever again. 

[mugenx.3780]

15 minutes ago, Za Shaloc.3908 said:

They mentioned they are looking into this near the beginning of the stream. So if I had to take a guess, you'll probably see something next balance patch at the end of November. I don't think it's guaranteed to be 2 dodges, but they at least acknowledged that it's an issue.

Thanks, i tuned in after that bit. Good news, finally.

[Nafu luve yu.1756]

Nafu happy guud guud patch but nu guud guud swap sbl very nu guud.

[SloRules.3560]

1 minute ago, cgMatt.5162 said:

Scrapper is dead with ground target and Cleansing Field/Fumigate cooldowns. In WvW Support Tempest will replace it because the cleanse output was already competitive. 

Gyroscopic Acceleration procs at the end of the Well cast so it is effectively a useless trait for the support gyros now. 

You still give superspeed and stealth, which is a tradeoff if you take tempest. I wouldn't just proclaim is bad.

[Shannon.6920]

I appreciate the Vindicator dodge change for PvP. Thank you for this post.

[EriskRedLemur.7153]

Scrapper Support was my fav thing to WvW with. I don't like making gyros wells/ground target only that sorta defeats the point of the gyros. I did think scrappers needed a nerf tho; I was extremely bored with it; in that trying other supports just was like eh I'll just go back to scrapper. BUT - I'm not sure totally gutting it was necessary BUT - whatever - Druid looks interesting not sure it'll be up there in meta for WvW/PvP but curious to try it now lol. Overall maybe it's because it was done in live stream gave more insight to the devs thoughts on the changes and they were pretty honest - "yeah this prob will kill the meta but sorta the point" lack of their real words. But eh, overall there's enough good imo than bad I mean idk, depends on what you play tbh. There's some stuff leaving you wanting more tho like Vind, nice change with dodge BUT... eh, needs a lot more than just that. First step. Anyways SB expecting nerfs glad they didnt got pet swaps unexpected lol.

[Xenesis.6389]

1 minute ago, Kylden Ar.3724 said:

So, Vindicator gets to have 2 dodges, but Mirage still gets to be gutted with one?

What's funny is they decided to make a class with one dodge after the mirage nerf, but fix it 6 months after, but the class they dumpstered it with first still has to wait 3 years before it gets it's own fix. But oh in the meantime take some more boon strip nerfs mesmers.

 

One dodge should have never been even an idea for balance mechanic, every class should have two dodges at minimum, you make players level and basically "train" them through the entire game to use two dodges as their main defense, and I'm sure they balance encounters with two dodges in mind, there is absolutely no reason to mess with that at all. FIX MIRAGE ANET.

[Syronus.7605]

On 9/14/2022 at 5:22 PM, Double Tap said:

Gyroscopic Acceleration: Superspeed is now applied on the first pulse of wells instead of the final pulse.

Why wasn't this also applied to Alacrity on Tempest overloads?  Even before these changes the scrapper at least doesn't lose it if they have to dodge. More QoL for Elementalists please.

Edited September 16, 2022 by Syronus.7605

[Kheron.9062]

5 minutes ago, Kaizz.7306 said:

Literally just increase the pulse interval for wells so I'm not cleansing as often per use, or getting what? 15-20 seconds of stealth off 1 sneak gyro. I never wanted gyros to be considered well in the first place, and now they're going to be clunky and annoying as hell to use.

See, making the intervals longer woulda been nice. Less frequent pressure/anti-pressure from the scrapper, making them less overwhelming. Done. How easy was that?

[YellowFlash.3914]

I assume the specter shroud scaling reduction will also be in pve, which is just very much sad. What makes specter goood in pve is not the large amount of shroud health pool, so there's really no reason for it to apply in pve as well.

[Kaizz.7306]

5 minutes ago, Lazze.9870 said:

The fact of the matter is that wvw support scrapper has been overloaded with utility with no other options ever gonna be able to compete unless they made drastic changes.

Now it has wells that behave like actual wells. Fair enough. Shame they let the interaction run for as long as it did, people are used to be being carried by scrappers.

I agree we've been overloaded with util for ages, but the only change I don't agree with is the wealls being placed thing. Who knows, this might not be the worst thing ever, it's not like wells are bad, but scrapper was really clunky back when gyros were stationary, and this feels like we're just gonna revert back to that headache. 

[bufflrweaverffsfkanet.3127]

Lr Weaver wants some love too

[Shade.8971]

Please let the shroud health reduction on specter be PvP only please.  There are some fights with too much damage and global arena damage that would make the spec much harder to play.

[Rider.6024]

virtuoso and soulbeast are going to be stupid op now, virtuoso already kinda is against things that lack unblockable 

 

druid changes seem hype for wvw support

 

please remove trapper runes!

[Valisha.8650]

1 minute ago, Shade.8971 said:

Please let the shroud health reduction on specter be PvP only please.  There are some fights with too much damage and global arena damage that would make the spec much harder to play.

Specter has less than 3,5% popularity in raids. Literally no sane reason to validate a nerf. Hell, Teapot even said Specter should be BUFFED.

https://gw2wingman.nevermindcreations.de/popularity