IIIIIII.2438 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 (edited) Nerfs that happened in pvp did not happen in WvW. This class is S+ overtuned. 1) superior mobility 2) superior one-shot burst and damage 3) great condi cleanse 4) passive evades / blocks and boon access Anet please address this for October 4th. It is just too much Edited September 24, 2022 by IIIIIII.2438 19 6 5 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PinkTacoLover.7603 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 spammable teleport, spammable burn, 10k crits, i dont see what is wrong 🤣 1 2 9 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferus.3165 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 2 hours ago, PinkTacoLover.7603 said: spammable teleport, spammable burn, 10k crits, i dont see what is wrong 🤣 you mean like every thief spec ever? and they don't even have invisibility. 15 1 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyBat.9034 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 39 minutes ago, Ferus.3165 said: you mean like every thief spec ever? and they don't even have invisibility. They have enough pulsing boons and defensive skills to make up for not having invisibility. 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jugglemonkey.8741 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 55 minutes ago, Ferus.3165 said: you mean like every thief spec ever? and they don't even have invisibility. Also thieves don't have burn. That's just salt. 2 10 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrollingDemigod.3041 Posted September 24, 2022 Share Posted September 24, 2022 8 hours ago, IIIIIII.2438 said: Nerfs that happened in pvp did not happen in WvW. This class is S+ overtuned. 1) superior mobility 2) superior one-shot burst and damage 3) great condi cleanse 4) passive evades / blocks and boon access Anet please address this for October 4th. It is just too much Good thing you wrote which class you've meant in your title, otherwise what you described fits like 6 different classes from get-go. 5 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bern.9613 Posted September 26, 2022 Share Posted September 26, 2022 On 9/24/2022 at 12:17 PM, Ferus.3165 said: you mean like every thief spec ever? and they don't even have invisibility. Nope but they have invulns, endless boons and superior healing. ANet: Not thief? Working as intended. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenesis.6389 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Yeah they totally fine LoL 8K 🤭 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 Willbender? overtuned? Since when!? Powerwillbender struggles because everyone is rocking cele or trailblazer and the toughness compromises willbenders power immensly. Celewillbender, relys on one condition and one condition only. Anything with a decent cleanse shouldnt struggle against it at all. 2 3 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Verdict is Vengence.6912 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 They get a lot of free hits with all their options of ports, blinds, evades and choosing when the exchanges happens while staying at a distance. They're a pain to go against as a melee warrior or glass warrior. With thief at least, you can play a guessing game where they are in stealth and if your damage lands, the thief will be in trouble. Willbender gets to stay safe while being in front of your face lol. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeolus.3615 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) On 9/24/2022 at 5:57 PM, SleepyBat.9034 said: They have enough pulsing boons and defensive skills to make up for not having invisibility. TDLR they are more like necro food ? Edited September 28, 2022 by Aeolus.3615 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Sahne.6950 said: Celewillbender, relys on one condition and one condition only. Anything with a decent cleanse shouldnt struggle against it at all. ... because they have absolutely no power... Willbender is disgustingly strong and IMO one of the top roamers when it comes to actually fighting*, maybe only rivaled by a tempest/cata in terms of cele combined damage and sustain. (*thieves doesnt count since they are cowards by nature) Is it overtuned? That fully depends on your definition of balance. Its perfectly in line with other disgustingly strong builds. 3 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sahne.6950 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dawdler.8521 said: maybe only rivaled by a tempest are.... are..... are you the first one to openly admit that tempest is disgustingly strong outside of support builds? :0 NO WAY! 💖 1 hour ago, Dawdler.8521 said: Is it overtuned? That fully depends on your definition of balance. Its perfectly in line with other disgustingly strong builds. Thats my point in those debates most of the time aswell... while Willbender is undoubtably strong and in the right hands can hold its ground even in 1vX.... There is still atleast 5 builds that come to mind, that will perform on the same level or will perform even better then willybender. Edited September 28, 2022 by Sahne.6950 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Raven.1320 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 I've had the best luck fighting them as Core Warrior, Power Untamed, Nade Holo, and Reaper. They have a very front loaded burst after that they are kinda meh. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossmitch.8037 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 WvW was never been balanced on roaming. It is balanced on group plays. So asking for making WB less OP (if it is OP but for me its not), will be a dream one would keep on dreaming. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenesis.6389 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 hour ago, bossmitch.8037 said: WvW was never been balanced on roaming. It is balanced on group plays. So asking for making WB less OP (if it is OP but for me its not), will be a dream one would keep on dreaming. Guess that explains meteor hitting for 3k 🤭 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SleepyBat.9034 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 1 hour ago, bossmitch.8037 said: WvW was never been balanced on roaming. Maybe I'm missing something but I don't see why anet cannot balance WvW for both types of gameplay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kamikharzeeh.8016 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 On 9/24/2022 at 2:37 PM, IIIIIII.2438 said: Nerfs that happened in pvp did not happen in WvW. This class is S+ overtuned. 1) superior mobility 2) superior one-shot burst and damage 3) great condi cleanse 4) passive evades / blocks and boon access Anet please address this for October 4th. It is just too much if ur at it, also hit ele's, thieves, rangers and dps engis finally, thanks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MedievalThings.5417 Posted September 28, 2022 Share Posted September 28, 2022 It's almost like giving thief mobility to a heavy armor class with access to endless boons was a bad idea. 12 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gehenna.3625 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 On 9/24/2022 at 6:57 PM, SleepyBat.9034 said: They have enough pulsing boons and defensive skills to make up for not having invisibility. I mean those pulsing boons and defensive skills do have a cd afaik , so why would that be problematic to a thief that can stealth out and try again? Especially with boon strip and boon steal as part of your arsenal. Guardians don't have any boon strip or steal abilities. Genuine question, I don't play thieves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bern.9613 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 6 hours ago, Gehenna.3625 said: I mean those pulsing boons and defensive skills do have a cd afaik , so why would that be problematic to a thief that can stealth out and try again? Especially with boon strip and boon steal as part of your arsenal. Guardians don't have any boon strip or steal abilities. Genuine question, I don't play thieves. Obviously you haven't been paying attention to the 28 June balancing rework gutting of thief stealth. Josh Davis: Shadow Arts has long been a source of frustrating gameplay, particularly in competitive PvP and WvW. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, Bern.9613 said: Obviously you haven't been paying attention to the 28 June balancing rework gutting of thief stealth. Josh Davis: Shadow Arts has long been a source of frustrating gameplay, particularly in competitive PvP and WvW. When they loose offhand smoke field I'll shed a single, very dry and almost instantly evaporating tear for thief stealth. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
solemn.9670 Posted September 29, 2022 Share Posted September 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Bern.9613 said: Obviously you haven't been paying attention to the 28 June balancing rework gutting of thief stealth. Josh Davis: Shadow Arts has long been a source of frustrating gameplay, particularly in competitive PvP and WvW. Well clearly you haven't fought a competent thief post-patch considering they're as strong now as they've always been lol Source: plays thief 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.3196 Posted October 2, 2022 Share Posted October 2, 2022 Imagine saying willbender is overtuned when everything you run into is cele or condi harbi or deadly, southeast,mechanist,tempest and if actually geting killed by them then it's a play issue. It is ovetuned if none of those other classes were overtuned 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helicity.3416 Posted October 3, 2022 Share Posted October 3, 2022 Meanwhile, on my troll DH 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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