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Relic Of Antitoxin is going to need to be either nerfed or removed from SPvP


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^ Thread title.

Few things to note for anyone who doesn't understand what's going on here:

  1. As it stands today on release, there is absolutely no reason to use any other relic other than Antitoxin.
  2. It allows builds to drawback on the amount of dedicated cleanse they have, and either bring more DPS or more sustain vs. power. There is no better option for optimal power creep across the board for every class/spec, than this one relic.
  3. It is possible to become actually immune to conditions with Antitoxin. I mean like, actually invulnerable, as long as you aren't AFK.
  4. We do not have ways in SPvP to counter the strength of Antitoxin. In WvW there is access to large expertise bonuses, ect ect, much higher condi damage burst in general. But in SPvP we do not have the ability to soup up condi play like we can in WvW or PvE, to be able to counteract Antitoxin play. The appearance of Antitoxin with today's release will completely shut down all condi play. I'm talking completely. There will only be power builds from this point forward if Antitoxin is not nerfed or removed for SPvP.
  5. YES, despite the wording on the relic, it is indeed cleansing normally with no CD on the cleanses for the player wearing the relic, as the old version. Not sure if this is intended, but we did just have a few people run some tests to confirm this.

But yeah, Antitoxin absolutely will need to be either nerfed or removed for SPvP.

Devs paying attention should take this seriously. This will very quickly become a massively complained about balance issue by the end of the first 24 hours.

~ Heads up.

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22 hours ago, Downstate.4697 said:

And it ruins your ability to play condi ranger

It's a serious post.

You're concerned with referencing my Condi Druid for lulz, but what you really should be concerned about is what this is going to allow Soulbeasts to do. Like right now people are complaining about Soulbeast performance already, but now with Antitoxin they will not be weak to condis and they will actually have no counters. They will exist in the pocket of a pure power meta, and they will be the strongest spec.

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1 minute ago, shion.2084 said:

Speaking of Soul Beast.... uh did they do no PvP balance to it?

Soul beast is fine... aside from this new information surrounding antitoxin. Everything has something to keep it in check. Trevors right - condi play keeps many builds in check with out condi we have a much larger actual balance issue. 

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4 minutes ago, Sahne.6950 said:

Antitoxin rune? Srsly?

There was no nerf for the obviously buste boar maul.... 

There is other things to write Essays about...

 

2 minutes ago, jdawgie.1835 said:

Soul beast is fine... aside from this new information surrounding antitoxin. Everything has something to keep it in check. Trevors right - condi play keeps many builds in check with out condi we have a much larger actual balance issue. 

People were upset about Soulbeast before, but they're gonna ragequit today until fix, when they see what Antitoxin on a Soulbeast does for its performance.

 

But let's not turn this into a Soulbeast thread. This problem is much much larger than that. The appearance of that single suffix relic is going to remove condition based builds from play completely. They will no longer be anywhere in the realm of viability if Antitoxin continues to exist as is. This will remove like 50% or greater of the intra-class options & dynamic from viability. And it's not like "oh it's sort of not viable now" but more like "oh condis no longer deal damage at all ok". Mark my words, that's gonna be happening by the end of the day here.

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Just now, Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

People were upset about Soulbeast before

Just potatoes that cant get out of the way of burst. 

1 minute ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

when they see what Antitoxin on a Soulbeast does for its performance.

Agreed though - condi is a needed counterweight.

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6 minutes ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

 

People were upset about Soulbeast before, but they're gonna ragequit today until fix, when they see what Antitoxin on a Soulbeast does for its performance.

 

But let's not turn this into a Soulbeast thread. This problem is much much larger than that. The appearance of that single suffix relic is going to remove condition based builds from play completely. They will no longer be anywhere in the realm of viability if Antitoxin continues to exist as is. This will remove like 50% or greater of the intra-class options & dynamic from viability. And it's not like "oh it's sort of not viable now" but more like "oh condis no longer deal damage at all ok". Mark my words, that's gonna be happening by the end of the day here.

I think you are missing a big factor, which is that condition application (via new weapons) was going to increase. Anti-toxin exists as a natural counter to the introduction of condition heavy builds which was bound to happen as a result of the expansion

As for the bugs it has, if it does have bugs...so long as the skill is working as intended, it's intended effect is actually fine.

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9 minutes ago, JusticeRetroHunter.7684 said:

I think you are missing a big factor, which is that condition application (via new weapons) was going to increase. Anti-toxin exists as a natural counter to the introduction of condition heavy builds which was bound to happen as a result of the expansion

As for the bugs it has, if it does have bugs...so long as the skill is working as intended, it's intended effect is actually fine.

We'll see how everyone feels about that by the end of the day.

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this is a strong relic, for some spec, but for slb it wont change anything, they wouldn't even take it.. the bear stance is already enough cleanses for its duration and the build has no other cleanses. This will be way stronger on tools holo, 2 cleanses on f skills, vindi salvation getting 2 cleanses on dodge, inspi mes, scourge with cleanse on barrier trait... etc. Basically slb is one of the worst build to put it on...

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2 hours ago, Trevor Boyer.6524 said:

It's a serious post. This is about to become the most critical balance issue that the game has ever seen.

You're concerned with referencing my Condi Druid for lulz, but what you really should be concerned about is what this is going to allow Soulbeasts to do. Like right now people are complaining about Soulbeast performance already, but now with Antitoxin they will not be weak to condis and they will actually have no counters. They will exist in the pocket of a pure power meta, and they will be the strongest spec.

This is going to be an enormous game breaking issue that deserves a hotfix before anyone should even have to mention that it deserves a hotfix.

why would slb take antitoxin when they can take one of the relics that gives even more damage?

 

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