World Restructuring

Chaba.5410 · February 2, 2018

The poor Fountain of Rurikton may finally be filled.

Sojourner.4621 · February 2, 2018

@LINKAZZATORE.8135 said:Last time i checked wvw was a competitive game mode vs other players, not a pve map where you roleplay for server pride.
You wanna roleplay? Get that new server title and go to lion's arch chitchatting in mapchat

No one ever said they were RPing in wvw. You haven't read a thing I've said across any of my posts. I think the wvw sorting system is a great idea, but eliminating world choice will effect what people you land on the same map with IN PVE. So without being in TC, with mega-server shard priority given to land me with other TC players, then I could go to LA or DR or whatever city and never run in to a single other RPer. That's the complaint. What we're asking for is the ability to form alliances that are NOT based on wvw, and consequently won't effect wvw world sorting. It is in fact SPECIFICALLY to get RPers out of wvw. The exact thing you just wrongly complained about.

Drinks.2361 · February 2, 2018

Have you considered the overall size for the 8 week world? Would it be more or less the same in each concurrent match or some more aimed at more activity than others? Like where on the server activity graph you linked earlier would the target size be?

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Loosmaster.8263 · February 2, 2018

@Twyn.7320 said:Just for clarification: Is this just locked to WvW, or will it affect every other map in the game? So, if this system was a thing in the Crystal Oasis, would it have World 1, World 2 and World 3? And players from World 3 couldn't join World 1 if it had 90%+ capacity?

Yes for the WvW part, you will still have the random Megaserver hickups with multiple instances. You will not have any color association in PvE. There will be some changes as to how you are priortized relative to guilds/party/friends.

I can be in a squad, zone in an be on an entirely different instance and have to select join hoping it's not full. The pains of Megaserver.

Dawdler.8521 · February 2, 2018

@Twyn.7320 said:Just for clarification: Is this just locked to WvW, or will it affect every other map in the game? So, if this system was a thing in the Crystal Oasis, would it have World 1, World 2 and World 3? And players from World 3 couldn't join World 1 if it had 90%+ capacity?Waaaat... Since when did WvW affect anything in PvE? Players from all servers join PvE instances where there is room. If there is no room, another instance is created. Etc and so on. This restructuring changes nothing.

FrizzFreston.5290 · February 2, 2018

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There's still the question as to why a guild would need a switch to be set as WvWguild or activate the possibility to be repped for WvW.Played season ranked pvp?wanna get your guild ranked "legendary"?then play as a wvw guild else play as normally "normal match" then your guild don't get rankedjust my 2 cents

As I understand it, if you want your guildmembers to able to play WvW in the same world with eachother you need to set the guild as WvW guild.

Ranked or not has no effect on that decision. I don't see why a guild wouldnt want that option available to members. I suppose raid only or fractals only or pvp only wouldnt always want their members have any WvW focus whatsoever.

MaLeVoLenT.8129 · February 2, 2018

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@Cyczer.7834 said:You just have to join them and choose them as your wvw guild and you can keep playing with your friends.

Did Anet say you

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Guilds is only for sorting players on the world. In the extreme example of someone having 0 guilds joining WvW, I'm assuming he will just join a random world thats not full, for the duration of being logged on. Another random world the next time he logs etc. Alternativly setting that random world as the home world until reset.

At least that would be the logical method.

Thats exactly what it is, you have to join guilds if you dont wanna rely on your luck to being put in same server. Otherwise you'll be placed randomly.

Its not by random. Its based off you contacts and what guilds you are in. who you party with. So if you choose to not have any guild claimed as your WvW guild, it will STILL take into account what guilds you're in when it places you. Furthermore Arena Net has alluded to the fact, that it is still able for such an individual to Transfer during the 8 week Season so you are indeed never trapped.Uhm isnt it kind of hard to take into account what guild you are in if you have no guild and no friends?

I highly doubt the MMR can place you based on data that doesnt exist. Remember we arent all veterans with 5 guilds, new players are gonna have to join WvW too.

if you have no guilds and no friends. why would you care where you're placed.

They just wanna leech of the good guild/commanders of a server, get carried and then say ¨kitten i am maguuma kitten¨, without actually trying to be good and acomplish something on their own. This profile describes anyone complaining on this post basically.

Some of us have concerns about eliminating servers that

aren't

in any way connected to wvw itself. As far as WvW is concerned, if it is truly effective at the goal it seems to have set, that is "Have roughly equal population coverage in wvw no matter what the time of day" then I will consider it not only a rousing success, but also easily the best thing to ever happen to the wvw community as a whole. That said, there are certain aspects of the non-wvw community that this could impact in an extremely negative way (Yes I am mostly referring to the RP community, yes I know most of you don't care.) It's not a bad thing to bring this to their attention and hope that they can find some ways of addressing those concerns. After all, that's the entire point of them posting this so far in advance, right?

There is a fair point as far as new players go, and how this might affect their impressions about wvw sense of community/etc. I think the best suggestion regarding that so far has actually be 12 weeks instead of 8 for reshuffles... make a wvw season last an entire 3 months instead of just two. That little bit of extra time with the current match-up can make or break how you feel about your current world's guilds/alliances/commanders and help you decide whether you want to stay with them, or try and find a new group in a new match-up.The only point to servers is WvW. Without that, we're all on a mega cluster server that share the code and hardware. The term Server is wrongly used. Everyone is on the same server instead use the term world. Again. Servers don't mean anything to PvE or SPvP.

That is the case now, but it was not always so. It used to be that on the "unofficial" RP servers (Tarnished Coast in NA, and Piken Square in EU) people could be out wandering the world and have a high probability of finding other people who were just out and about RPing. Ever since the mega-server system was implemented, finding that is about as frequent as finding a precursor. It still happens from time to time, but it's pretty rare. Eliminating servers entirely, and thereby eliminating server-priority for mega-server instance selection, will make RP hard to find EVEN IN THE CITIES which was the last place we could be wandering around and still run in to other Roleplayers. It will no longer be rare in the open world, it will be gone completely. What I am asking them to consider is a non-wvw alliance system that would give mega-server selection priority to people in the same alliance. It's really my only concern on the matter (well that, and of course how effective the algorithms they use for determining the wvw World Selection are). It may not mean anything to you, but to the RP community it means a HELL OF A LOT.

What is stopping the RP community from playing together exactly.

I've already said that... several times. The RP community can form guilds and find RP that way, sure, but most RP guilds are tight nit affairs with between 15-100 players, with one RP mega-guild of 500. Even if you fill your guild slots, that means you're only going to be matched with a total of about 500-600 other people, if you're lucky, and they happen to be on at the same times as you, and happen to be in the same maps. That's not how you meet people, however. You meet people by wandering around the world, seeing someone RPing via /emote and joining in on the open world RP... Before megaservers this was possible everywhere. It was possible to stumble across this. Post mega-servers it is not. What we're asking them to consider is a non-wvw based alliance system to COMPLIMENT the wvw based alliance system. This would literally have zero effect on the wvw world sorting, and so zero effect on ANYONE but RPers, which are a larger portion of the community than people like to give credit for. What I don't understand is how you can unilaterally object to a suggestion that can't possibly negatively effect you, but can be a benefit to us.

I didn't object to anything. I was just asking a question that was based off something you said. I didn't clue into your suggestion at all. Just your thought process on what you had said. So now that you've clarified your suggestion, I do object. RP is a way to play any given game mode. You cant make a mechanic for RPers alone just the same as they cant separate the differences between a PPT guild and a Fighter guild. But the alliance system does not prevent or split either including a RP guild from playing in WvW. That 500 man RP guild does not produce 500 rpers in WvW either. The cap on alliances isnt set in stone aswell.

With the current system as outlined, if you don't tag a guild as "wvw" you won't be able to form or join an alliance at all, period. What that will lead to is RP guilds deliberately tagging as WvW just to have alliances, and so have mega server selection priority. This will in turn skew world selection numbers, and cause at least one server on every match-up to have a disproportionate number of players that are actually RPers, which the WvW community, I am sure, would absolutely hate. Leaving the system as it stands would 100% negatively effect the wvw community. What I am suggesting is allowing different types of alliances to be formed that in NO WAY effect wvw world sorting, because as both an RPer and a WvW player, I don't want to see WvW negatively effected anymore than I want to see the RP community be dissolved by this change. One or the other will happen if it stays as is.

Okay now I somewhat see our point. They can just make it so, Alliances aren't WvW specific but tagging one as WvW is. Either way that player base will be lumped into the total sum of the evaluation I dont clearly see what effects having a RP Alliance would give you in Spvp or pve. when mega servers still place you based on friends and guilds regardless if they're tagged for WvW or not. So the RP alliance would specifically be for WvW.

Secondly just because an RP guild tags WvW doesn't do anything to skew the numbers because the numbers are play hour based among other things. other things because they can take in a lot of statistic to determine the type of player base they're dealing with and already do. So if said collective RP WvW guilds choose to not even tag a WvW guild they would have a very high chance of still placing with each other.

Sojourner.4621 · February 2, 2018

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@Cyczer.7834 said:You just have to join them and choose them as your wvw guild and you can keep playing with your friends.