Stand The Wall.6987 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 its kinda ridiculous how soulbeast can stack ferocity. I think beast mastery/sic em + beast mode could use a look see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssisis.3971 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Every class can stack ferocity... why is it ridiculous that soulbeast can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @Abyssisis.3971 said:Every class can stack ferocity... why is it ridiculous that soulbeast can?you need me to spell it out for you? maybe you can just figure it out for yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssisis.3971 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Maybe i already play a full zerker soulbeast and know that this thread is clearly a l2p issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcopaul.2156 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Lahmia.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Lahmia.2193 said:Glass cannon. They hit hard but break very easy. Annoying yes, but not really a problem in the scheme of things.they are not glass cannons. prolly they use third party kitten.Hah. Classic. They must be hacking because you got beaten by one and are sore about it. Face it. Soulbeasts hit like a truck but to spec like that, they have limited defenses. This isn't druid we are talking about. If you want to talk about them (which I'm actually thinking the people on this thread are annoyed about), then start a thread about them.no their long range shot was doing 4k crit on me. and my kill shot on full adrenaline did 3k on them. and im full zerk. if they'd be full zerk on medium armor, then it should be like +110% (on prot) or +150% (w/o prot).and some "beast master" sb has a pet that has pet damage doing 3.5k on me and the original dmg listed on the skill was like 900. funny thing is that the skill which has the original damage of 1.4k did 171 dmg on me.so yeh. some garbage bork bork kitten in teh world of tyria.Wait wait.... You're full zerk and you are complaining that he is doing a 4K crit? He is doing that damage likely with high power, and maybe got off a crit even if he didn't have much precision.Also, If he is PTV, this is a completely plausible situation...Won't even touch the Pet stuff.PTV with 4k consecutive long range shot crit? who you foolin'?Let me check your video. Ahh.. sorry, your screenshot...Oh dang. Neither present.I am not saying it happened the way I said. Simply noting it could have. In your first post, you said nothing about consecutive.And are we talking about 2? 3 in a row?Again, plausible. Not necessarily likely, but plausible. You made some assumptions that he was zerker. I noted he likely wasn't. If he was, your consecutive crits he hit you with would have been much higher.It is assumed that it is consecutive since the topic is about ZERKER soulbeast (high prec/fero = crit almost all the time). you're insisting that it was PTV. PTV can't crit shit that much.so who you foolin' again, men?and yes i base what i spit on my anecdotal evidence. otherwise i won't be posting here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Lahmia.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Lahmia.2193 said:Glass cannon. They hit hard but break very easy. Annoying yes, but not really a problem in the scheme of things.they are not glass cannons. prolly they use third party kitten.Hah. Classic. They must be hacking because you got beaten by one and are sore about it. Face it. Soulbeasts hit like a truck but to spec like that, they have limited defenses. This isn't druid we are talking about. If you want to talk about them (which I'm actually thinking the people on this thread are annoyed about), then start a thread about them.no their long range shot was doing 4k crit on me. and my kill shot on full adrenaline did 3k on them. and im full zerk. if they'd be full zerk on medium armor, then it should be like +110% (on prot) or +150% (w/o prot).and some "beast master" sb has a pet that has pet damage doing 3.5k on me and the original dmg listed on the skill was like 900. funny thing is that the skill which has the original damage of 1.4k did 171 dmg on me.so yeh. some garbage bork bork kitten in teh world of tyria.Wait wait.... You're full zerk and you are complaining that he is doing a 4K crit? He is doing that damage likely with high power, and maybe got off a crit even if he didn't have much precision.Also, If he is PTV, this is a completely plausible situation...Won't even touch the Pet stuff.PTV with 4k consecutive long range shot crit? who you foolin'?Let me check your video. Ahh.. sorry, your screenshot...Oh dang. Neither present.I am not saying it happened the way I said. Simply noting it could have. In your first post, you said nothing about consecutive.And are we talking about 2? 3 in a row?Again, plausible. Not necessarily likely, but plausible. You made some assumptions that he was zerker. I noted he likely wasn't. If he was, your consecutive crits he hit you with would have been much higher.It is assumed that it is consecutive since the topic is about ZERKER soulbeast (high prec/fero = crit almost all the time). you're insisting that it was PTV. PTV can't crit kitten that much.so who you foolin' again, men?and yes i base what i spit on my anecdotal evidence. otherwise i won't be posting here.Sure. I assumed you understood how power works and how defense works.I also assumber you understood how ferocity works.So... they were, in your words, Zerker? And you were, in your own words Zerker. But yet, they only did 3.5 k on crits on long range shot. I guess I assumed you were more knowledgeable about how that would be significantly lower than expected. So, it is far more likely they were not Zerker. More Likely they had fairly high toughness and fairly low ferocity. Both of which directs it away fro Zerker.Look back at this thread at the auto attack numbers being thrown out there.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganefte.6723 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @Abyssisis.3971 said:Maybe i already play a full zerker soulbeast and know that this thread is clearly a l2p issue.Let's put it in perspective. Try playing a full zerker necromancer or elementalist or revenant and check what happens.You will notice your damage is below that of your zerker soulbeast, your defense is mediocre at best and you will most likely in a second where the toolkit from your soulbeast (or thief, warrior, etc) will save you in four of five cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChartFish.1308 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @geist.9173 said:Let's put it in perspective. Try playing a full zerker necromancer or elementalist or revenant and check what happens.You will notice your damage is below that of your zerker soulbeastA zerker necro cant compete, sure. But a zerker elementalist (especially the scepter wombo combo)? Or a s/s reve? Both got gapclosers to port to you, unload a combo that'll bleed you dry, then disengage. Oh and i know. Especially with pure zerker revenant. I played that shit, not having touched revenant in over a year, and i got kills upon kills in pure zerker gear. It was laughably easy.Not to mention, i can't believe i have to say this, soulbeast is clearly designed to be a high damage spec. The whole idea of the spec is damage, damage, damage. A spec to give damage to a otherwise low sustained dps class.Next xpac necro gets high damage class, you gonna go 'nooo, a spec designed for doing high amounts of damage, make it stop doing damage '? I dont t h i n k so. It's doing what it's designed for. It makes clear sacrifices for damage. Play smart, and your enemy is dead on their feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcopaul.2156 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Lahmia.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Lahmia.2193 said:Glass cannon. They hit hard but break very easy. Annoying yes, but not really a problem in the scheme of things.they are not glass cannons. prolly they use third party kitten.Hah. Classic. They must be hacking because you got beaten by one and are sore about it. Face it. Soulbeasts hit like a truck but to spec like that, they have limited defenses. This isn't druid we are talking about. If you want to talk about them (which I'm actually thinking the people on this thread are annoyed about), then start a thread about them.no their long range shot was doing 4k crit on me. and my kill shot on full adrenaline did 3k on them. and im full zerk. if they'd be full zerk on medium armor, then it should be like +110% (on prot) or +150% (w/o prot).and some "beast master" sb has a pet that has pet damage doing 3.5k on me and the original dmg listed on the skill was like 900. funny thing is that the skill which has the original damage of 1.4k did 171 dmg on me.so yeh. some garbage bork bork kitten in teh world of tyria.Wait wait.... You're full zerk and you are complaining that he is doing a 4K crit? He is doing that damage likely with high power, and maybe got off a crit even if he didn't have much precision.Also, If he is PTV, this is a completely plausible situation...Won't even touch the Pet stuff.PTV with 4k consecutive long range shot crit? who you foolin'?Let me check your video. Ahh.. sorry, your screenshot...Oh dang. Neither present.I am not saying it happened the way I said. Simply noting it could have. In your first post, you said nothing about consecutive.And are we talking about 2? 3 in a row?Again, plausible. Not necessarily likely, but plausible. You made some assumptions that he was zerker. I noted he likely wasn't. If he was, your consecutive crits he hit you with would have been much higher.It is assumed that it is consecutive since the topic is about ZERKER soulbeast (high prec/fero = crit almost all the time). you're insisting that it was PTV. PTV can't crit kitten that much.so who you foolin' again, men?and yes i base what i spit on my anecdotal evidence. otherwise i won't be posting here.Sure. I assumed you understood how power works and how defense works.I also assumber you understood how ferocity works.So... they were, in your words, Zerker? And you were, in your own words Zerker. But yet, they only did 3.5 k on crits on long range shot. I guess I assumed you were more knowledgeable about how that would be significantly lower than expected. So, it is far more likely they were not Zerker. More Likely they had fairly high toughness and fairly low ferocity. Both of which directs it away fro Zerker.Look back at this thread at the auto attack numbers being thrown out there..obviously you can't fucking read. i said "they did 4k long range shot crit on me, while i did 3.5k crit kill shot on full adrenaline on them."check the fucking wiki skills for long range shot and kill shotLong range shotDamage.png Damage if range is greater than 1000: 347 (0.9)?Damage.png Damage if range is between 500-1000: 308 (0.8)?Damage.png Damage if range is less than 500: 270 (0.7)?Combo.png Combo Finisher: Physical Projectile (20% chance)Range.png Range: 1,500Max damage orig: 347Fire a powerful shot. Damage increases with adrenaline level.Kill shotDamage.png Level 1 damage: 949 (2.25)?Damage.png Level 2 damage: 1,160 (2.75)?Damage.png Level 3 damage: 1,371 (3.25)?Pierces.png PiercesCombo.png Combo Finisher: Physical ProjectileRange.png Range: 1,500— In-game description [?]Max damage orig: 1,371Are you following my flow, men? who you foolin' again?pretty sure that some garbage bork bork sh1tters are playing the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahmia.2193 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Lahmia.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Lahmia.2193 said:Glass cannon. They hit hard but break very easy. Annoying yes, but not really a problem in the scheme of things.they are not glass cannons. prolly they use third party kitten.Hah. Classic. They must be hacking because you got beaten by one and are sore about it. Face it. Soulbeasts hit like a truck but to spec like that, they have limited defenses. This isn't druid we are talking about. If you want to talk about them (which I'm actually thinking the people on this thread are annoyed about), then start a thread about them.no their long range shot was doing 4k crit on me. and my kill shot on full adrenaline did 3k on them. and im full zerk. if they'd be full zerk on medium armor, then it should be like +110% (on prot) or +150% (w/o prot).and some "beast master" sb has a pet that has pet damage doing 3.5k on me and the original dmg listed on the skill was like 900. funny thing is that the skill which has the original damage of 1.4k did 171 dmg on me.so yeh. some garbage bork bork kitten in teh world of tyria.Wait wait.... You're full zerk and you are complaining that he is doing a 4K crit? He is doing that damage likely with high power, and maybe got off a crit even if he didn't have much precision.Also, If he is PTV, this is a completely plausible situation...Won't even touch the Pet stuff.PTV with 4k consecutive long range shot crit? who you foolin'?Let me check your video. Ahh.. sorry, your screenshot...Oh dang. Neither present.I am not saying it happened the way I said. Simply noting it could have. In your first post, you said nothing about consecutive.And are we talking about 2? 3 in a row?Again, plausible. Not necessarily likely, but plausible. You made some assumptions that he was zerker. I noted he likely wasn't. If he was, your consecutive crits he hit you with would have been much higher.It is assumed that it is consecutive since the topic is about ZERKER soulbeast (high prec/fero = crit almost all the time). you're insisting that it was PTV. PTV can't crit kitten that much.so who you foolin' again, men?and yes i base what i spit on my anecdotal evidence. otherwise i won't be posting here.Sure. I assumed you understood how power works and how defense works.I also assumber you understood how ferocity works.So... they were, in your words, Zerker? And you were, in your own words Zerker. But yet, they only did 3.5 k on crits on long range shot. I guess I assumed you were more knowledgeable about how that would be significantly lower than expected. So, it is far more likely they were not Zerker. More Likely they had fairly high toughness and fairly low ferocity. Both of which directs it away fro Zerker.Look back at this thread at the auto attack numbers being thrown out there..obviously you can't kitten read. i said "they did 4k long range shot crit on me, while i did 3.5k crit kill shot on full adrenaline on them."check the kitten wiki skills for long range shot and kill shotLong range shotDamage.png Damage if range is greater than 1000: 347 (0.9)?Damage.png Damage if range is between 500-1000: 308 (0.8)?Damage.png Damage if range is less than 500: 270 (0.7)?Combo.png Combo Finisher: Physical Projectile (20% chance)Range.png Range: 1,500Max damage orig: 347Fire a powerful shot. Damage increases with adrenaline level.Kill shotDamage.png Level 1 damage: 949 (2.25)?Damage.png Level 2 damage: 1,160 (2.75)?Damage.png Level 3 damage: 1,371 (3.25)?Pierces.png PiercesCombo.png Combo Finisher: Physical ProjectileRange.png Range: 1,500— In-game description [?]Max damage orig: 1,371Are you following my flow, men? who you foolin' again?Again, you have no video or screenshots of this. I could claim a thief single handedly wiped out my 50 man zerg, and thus deserves to be nerfed into the ground. Far fetched I know but by your logic, you'd have to believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alcopaul.2156 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @Lahmia.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Lahmia.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Lahmia.2193 said:Glass cannon. They hit hard but break very easy. Annoying yes, but not really a problem in the scheme of things.they are not glass cannons. prolly they use third party kitten.Hah. Classic. They must be hacking because you got beaten by one and are sore about it. Face it. Soulbeasts hit like a truck but to spec like that, they have limited defenses. This isn't druid we are talking about. If you want to talk about them (which I'm actually thinking the people on this thread are annoyed about), then start a thread about them.no their long range shot was doing 4k crit on me. and my kill shot on full adrenaline did 3k on them. and im full zerk. if they'd be full zerk on medium armor, then it should be like +110% (on prot) or +150% (w/o prot).and some "beast master" sb has a pet that has pet damage doing 3.5k on me and the original dmg listed on the skill was like 900. funny thing is that the skill which has the original damage of 1.4k did 171 dmg on me.so yeh. some garbage bork bork kitten in teh world of tyria.Wait wait.... You're full zerk and you are complaining that he is doing a 4K crit? He is doing that damage likely with high power, and maybe got off a crit even if he didn't have much precision.Also, If he is PTV, this is a completely plausible situation...Won't even touch the Pet stuff.PTV with 4k consecutive long range shot crit? who you foolin'?Let me check your video. Ahh.. sorry, your screenshot...Oh dang. Neither present.I am not saying it happened the way I said. Simply noting it could have. In your first post, you said nothing about consecutive.And are we talking about 2? 3 in a row?Again, plausible. Not necessarily likely, but plausible. You made some assumptions that he was zerker. I noted he likely wasn't. If he was, your consecutive crits he hit you with would have been much higher.It is assumed that it is consecutive since the topic is about ZERKER soulbeast (high prec/fero = crit almost all the time). you're insisting that it was PTV. PTV can't crit kitten that much.so who you foolin' again, men?and yes i base what i spit on my anecdotal evidence. otherwise i won't be posting here.Sure. I assumed you understood how power works and how defense works.I also assumber you understood how ferocity works.So... they were, in your words, Zerker? And you were, in your own words Zerker. But yet, they only did 3.5 k on crits on long range shot. I guess I assumed you were more knowledgeable about how that would be significantly lower than expected. So, it is far more likely they were not Zerker. More Likely they had fairly high toughness and fairly low ferocity. Both of which directs it away fro Zerker.Look back at this thread at the auto attack numbers being thrown out there..obviously you can't kitten read. i said "they did 4k long range shot crit on me, while i did 3.5k crit kill shot on full adrenaline on them."check the kitten wiki skills for long range shot and kill shotLong range shotDamage.png Damage if range is greater than 1000: 347 (0.9)?Damage.png Damage if range is between 500-1000: 308 (0.8)?Damage.png Damage if range is less than 500: 270 (0.7)?Combo.png Combo Finisher: Physical Projectile (20% chance)Range.png Range: 1,500Max damage orig: 347Fire a powerful shot. Damage increases with adrenaline level.Kill shotDamage.png Level 1 damage: 949 (2.25)?Damage.png Level 2 damage: 1,160 (2.75)?Damage.png Level 3 damage: 1,371 (3.25)?Pierces.png PiercesCombo.png Combo Finisher: Physical ProjectileRange.png Range: 1,500— In-game description [?]Max damage orig: 1,371Are you following my flow, men? who you foolin' again?Again, you have no video or screenshots of this. I could claim a thief single handedly wiped out my 50 man zerg, and thus deserves to be nerfed into the group. Far fetched I know but by your logic, you'd have to believe me.Contact a.net and ask them for my damage log. i don't record my stuffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strider Pj.2193 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @alcopaul.2156 said:@Lahmia.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Lahmia.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Lahmia.2193 said:Glass cannon. They hit hard but break very easy. Annoying yes, but not really a problem in the scheme of things.they are not glass cannons. prolly they use third party kitten.Hah. Classic. They must be hacking because you got beaten by one and are sore about it. Face it. Soulbeasts hit like a truck but to spec like that, they have limited defenses. This isn't druid we are talking about. If you want to talk about them (which I'm actually thinking the people on this thread are annoyed about), then start a thread about them.no their long range shot was doing 4k crit on me. and my kill shot on full adrenaline did 3k on them. and im full zerk. if they'd be full zerk on medium armor, then it should be like +110% (on prot) or +150% (w/o prot).and some "beast master" sb has a pet that has pet damage doing 3.5k on me and the original dmg listed on the skill was like 900. funny thing is that the skill which has the original damage of 1.4k did 171 dmg on me.so yeh. some garbage bork bork kitten in teh world of tyria.Wait wait.... You're full zerk and you are complaining that he is doing a 4K crit? He is doing that damage likely with high power, and maybe got off a crit even if he didn't have much precision.Also, If he is PTV, this is a completely plausible situation...Won't even touch the Pet stuff.PTV with 4k consecutive long range shot crit? who you foolin'?Let me check your video. Ahh.. sorry, your screenshot...Oh dang. Neither present.I am not saying it happened the way I said. Simply noting it could have. In your first post, you said nothing about consecutive.And are we talking about 2? 3 in a row?Again, plausible. Not necessarily likely, but plausible. You made some assumptions that he was zerker. I noted he likely wasn't. If he was, your consecutive crits he hit you with would have been much higher.It is assumed that it is consecutive since the topic is about ZERKER soulbeast (high prec/fero = crit almost all the time). you're insisting that it was PTV. PTV can't crit kitten that much.so who you foolin' again, men?and yes i base what i spit on my anecdotal evidence. otherwise i won't be posting here.Sure. I assumed you understood how power works and how defense works.I also assumber you understood how ferocity works.So... they were, in your words, Zerker? And you were, in your own words Zerker. But yet, they only did 3.5 k on crits on long range shot. I guess I assumed you were more knowledgeable about how that would be significantly lower than expected. So, it is far more likely they were not Zerker. More Likely they had fairly high toughness and fairly low ferocity. Both of which directs it away fro Zerker.Look back at this thread at the auto attack numbers being thrown out there..obviously you can't kitten read. i said "they did 4k long range shot crit on me, while i did 3.5k crit kill shot on full adrenaline on them."check the kitten wiki skills for long range shot and kill shotLong range shotDamage.png Damage if range is greater than 1000: 347 (0.9)?Damage.png Damage if range is between 500-1000: 308 (0.8)?Damage.png Damage if range is less than 500: 270 (0.7)?Combo.png Combo Finisher: Physical Projectile (20% chance)Range.png Range: 1,500Max damage orig: 347Fire a powerful shot. Damage increases with adrenaline level.Kill shotDamage.png Level 1 damage: 949 (2.25)?Damage.png Level 2 damage: 1,160 (2.75)?Damage.png Level 3 damage: 1,371 (3.25)?Pierces.png PiercesCombo.png Combo Finisher: Physical ProjectileRange.png Range: 1,500— In-game description [?]Max damage orig: 1,371Are you following my flow, men? who you foolin' again?Again, you have no video or screenshots of this. I could claim a thief single handedly wiped out my 50 man zerg, and thus deserves to be nerfed into the group. Far fetched I know but by your logic, you'd have to believe me.Contact a.net and ask them for my damage log. i don't record my stuffs.Yeah, because a screenshot of combat logs is hard. So.., you are calling BS on all those saying they were hit by 7K autoattacks also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahmia.2193 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @alcopaul.2156 said:@Lahmia.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Strider Pj.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Lahmia.2193 said:@alcopaul.2156 said:@Lahmia.2193 said:Glass cannon. They hit hard but break very easy. Annoying yes, but not really a problem in the scheme of things.they are not glass cannons. prolly they use third party kitten.Hah. Classic. They must be hacking because you got beaten by one and are sore about it. Face it. Soulbeasts hit like a truck but to spec like that, they have limited defenses. This isn't druid we are talking about. If you want to talk about them (which I'm actually thinking the people on this thread are annoyed about), then start a thread about them.no their long range shot was doing 4k crit on me. and my kill shot on full adrenaline did 3k on them. and im full zerk. if they'd be full zerk on medium armor, then it should be like +110% (on prot) or +150% (w/o prot).and some "beast master" sb has a pet that has pet damage doing 3.5k on me and the original dmg listed on the skill was like 900. funny thing is that the skill which has the original damage of 1.4k did 171 dmg on me.so yeh. some garbage bork bork kitten in teh world of tyria.Wait wait.... You're full zerk and you are complaining that he is doing a 4K crit? He is doing that damage likely with high power, and maybe got off a crit even if he didn't have much precision.Also, If he is PTV, this is a completely plausible situation...Won't even touch the Pet stuff.PTV with 4k consecutive long range shot crit? who you foolin'?Let me check your video. Ahh.. sorry, your screenshot...Oh dang. Neither present.I am not saying it happened the way I said. Simply noting it could have. In your first post, you said nothing about consecutive.And are we talking about 2? 3 in a row?Again, plausible. Not necessarily likely, but plausible. You made some assumptions that he was zerker. I noted he likely wasn't. If he was, your consecutive crits he hit you with would have been much higher.It is assumed that it is consecutive since the topic is about ZERKER soulbeast (high prec/fero = crit almost all the time). you're insisting that it was PTV. PTV can't crit kitten that much.so who you foolin' again, men?and yes i base what i spit on my anecdotal evidence. otherwise i won't be posting here.Sure. I assumed you understood how power works and how defense works.I also assumber you understood how ferocity works.So... they were, in your words, Zerker? And you were, in your own words Zerker. But yet, they only did 3.5 k on crits on long range shot. I guess I assumed you were more knowledgeable about how that would be significantly lower than expected. So, it is far more likely they were not Zerker. More Likely they had fairly high toughness and fairly low ferocity. Both of which directs it away fro Zerker.Look back at this thread at the auto attack numbers being thrown out there..obviously you can't kitten read. i said "they did 4k long range shot crit on me, while i did 3.5k crit kill shot on full adrenaline on them."check the kitten wiki skills for long range shot and kill shotLong range shotDamage.png Damage if range is greater than 1000: 347 (0.9)?Damage.png Damage if range is between 500-1000: 308 (0.8)?Damage.png Damage if range is less than 500: 270 (0.7)?Combo.png Combo Finisher: Physical Projectile (20% chance)Range.png Range: 1,500Max damage orig: 347Fire a powerful shot. Damage increases with adrenaline level.Kill shotDamage.png Level 1 damage: 949 (2.25)?Damage.png Level 2 damage: 1,160 (2.75)?Damage.png Level 3 damage: 1,371 (3.25)?Pierces.png PiercesCombo.png Combo Finisher: Physical ProjectileRange.png Range: 1,500— In-game description [?]Max damage orig: 1,371Are you following my flow, men? who you foolin' again?Again, you have no video or screenshots of this. I could claim a thief single handedly wiped out my 50 man zerg, and thus deserves to be nerfed into the group. Far fetched I know but by your logic, you'd have to believe me.Contact a.net and ask them for my damage log. i don't record my stuffs.Maybe you should, if you're going to start making claims like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LetoII.3782 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @geist.9173 said:While at it, fix LoS issues. grass doesn't block projectiles. Really, it doesn't.As someone who's actually killed with a bow, yeah it does. Even a gust of wind can divert an arrow off it's Mark.I know it's hardly relevant, but it's true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssisis.3971 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @geist.9173 said:Let's put it in perspective. Try playing a full zerker necromancer or elementalist or revenant and check what happens.You will notice your damage is below that of your zerker soulbeast, your defense is mediocre at best and you will most likely in a second where the toolkit from your soulbeast (or thief, warrior, etc) will save you in four of five cases.You are comparing apples to oranges and expecting them to be the same. Those classes excel at other aspects of wvw, where soulbeast does not. Just because zerker soulbeast does more damage than zerker nercos, eles or revenants, doesnt mean its OPed and needs to be nerfed nor the other classes buffed to compete, there is a bigger picture with class design and each class brings its own flavour to the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganefte.6723 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 No, it's op because of the whole toolkit, not of the damage only. I don't see how this is so hard to understand. PvP balancing is nothing more than balancing between key elements of the game and if a classes toolkit is so good that all of these elements are good or above it's a balancing issue.If you don't understand that basic principle of class balancing, you should maybe not try to argue about that.There is no "but my class is bad at 'that' therefore it can be op at 'this'". That's not how it works.Let's try it that way. (5 is great, 1 is poor). Your class:DPS: 5Tankiness: 4Mobility: 5Gimmick: 4Difficulty to play (5 is easy in that case): 4Ø 4,4Other class:DPS: 5Tankiness: 2Mobility: 2Gimmick: 3Difficulty to play: 4Ø 3,2The goal of the balancing is a Ø of around 3,5. So your class is above that Ø which is the optimal balancing, while class B is almost at the target Ø . The goal now is to change one of those aspects to get closer to 3,5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganefte.6723 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @LetoII.3782 said:@geist.9173 said:While at it, fix LoS issues. grass doesn't block projectiles. Really, it doesn't.As someone who's actually killed with a bow, yeah it does. Even a gust of wind can divert an arrow off it's Mark.I know it's hardly relevant, but it's trueYou forgot to activate your unblockable. Happens to the best of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b ranger b.9348 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 u do not even have elixer s traited or sloted that would give u a invis also,it only takes 1 dodge roll to negate most of a rapid fire and questonable gear/build. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeolus.3615 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @geist.9173 said:@LetoII.3782 said:@geist.9173 said:While at it, fix LoS issues. grass doesn't block projectiles. Really, it doesn't.As someone who's actually killed with a bow, yeah it does. Even a gust of wind can divert an arrow off it's Mark.I know it's hardly relevant, but it's trueYou forgot to activate your unblockable. Happens to the best of us.And dodge/blind on the unblockables :PIssue is the amount of uptime some classes have of unblockables to make it easyer for the players on the offensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oOStaticOo.9467 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @"geist.9173" said:No, it's op because of the whole toolkit, not of the damage only. I don't see how this is so hard to understand. PvP balancing is nothing more than balancing between key elements of the game and if a classes toolkit is so good that all of these elements are good or above it's a balancing issue.If you don't understand that basic principle of class balancing, you should maybe not try to argue about that.There is no "but my class is bad at 'that' therefore it can be op at 'this'". That's not how it works.Let's try it that way. (5 is great, 1 is poor). Your class:DPS: 5Tankiness: 4Mobility: 5Gimmick: 4Difficulty to play (5 is easy in that case): 4Ø 4,4Other class:DPS: 5Tankiness: 2Mobility: 2Gimmick: 3Difficulty to play: 4Ø 3,2The goal of the balancing is a Ø of around 3,5. So your class is above that Ø which is the optimal balancing, while class B is almost at the target Ø . The goal now is to change one of those aspects to get closer to 3,5.So you are trying to balance one class against another one class? Cuz I could assign random arbitrary numbers to a class just as well.ThiefDPS: 5Tankiness: 2Mobility: 5Gimmick: 5Difficulty to Play: 54.4Hmm......sounds like Thief is OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganefte.6723 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 How? Are you trying to argue now that "thief is op too" which isn't the topic of this thread?The example I used wasn't one class vs. another but a Ø of a number of skills that are in a game which are balanced between each other - not classes between each other.Sure, you could use this form which I used as an example for thieves too and thieves would end up above the wanted Ø, but thieves aren't the topic of this thread. If you think, thieves are overperforming, feel free to open another thread about it.additionally: My example was completely random and not a blueprint for gw2 skills. I just needed an example to show how balancing should be in the best case and based on performance of a class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oOStaticOo.9467 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 So am I to take it that you are not trying to compare Soulbeast to Other Class? I mean, this is a Soulbeast thread. Furthermore, you are assigning random numbers based off of how YOU feel or perceive them. There are variables than can affect those numbers that you are not taking into consideration. Mobility, if I am not using GS or Staff on a Ranger my mobility goes down. Tankiness, if I am running full Berserker gear I am not tanky at all. Difficulty of Play, if I am not using LB, Staff, or GS then there is a little more difficulty in play than just 1212121. Gimmick, depends on which skills and traits I take. DPS, depends on which stats and weapons I use. You cannot concretely say that this class performs this way and is therefore OP. Rangers, for the most part, have received no love from the Devs unlike other classes. Rangers are not wanted in Zergs and are not the most optimal Roaming class to use. So again I say that Ranger is fine where it is, I would further go on to say that it is probably the most balanced class in the game right now imo. *editAlso look back at your post. You CLEARLY say: "Your class" and "Other class". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssisis.3971 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @"geist.9173" said:No, it's op because of the whole toolkit, not of the damage only. I don't see how this is so hard to understand. PvP balancing is nothing more than balancing between key elements of the game and if a classes toolkit is so good that all of these elements are good or above it's a balancing issue.If you don't understand that basic principle of class balancing, you should maybe not try to argue about that.There is no "but my class is bad at 'that' therefore it can be op at 'this'". That's not how it works.Let's try it that way. (5 is great, 1 is poor). Your class:DPS: 5Tankiness: 4Mobility: 5Gimmick: 4Difficulty to play (5 is easy in that case): 4Ø 4,4Other class:DPS: 5Tankiness: 2Mobility: 2Gimmick: 3Difficulty to play: 4Ø 3,2The goal of the balancing is a Ø of around 3,5. So your class is above that Ø which is the optimal balancing, while class B is almost at the target Ø . The goal now is to change one of those aspects to get closer to 3,5.Guess since you know so much, you’ll have to explain in detail how soulbeast can achieve alll these ratings. Im just a lowly zerker soulbeast that gets instantkill by anyone with a gap closer or the ability to go invulnerable or anyone that can stealth in combat or anyone that can chain cc me... i wish i could tank without having to scarfice dps or mobility... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganefte.6723 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 Just because you can get killed from stealth doesn't mean you haven't options to avoid. You can get invuln over signet, you have high mobility and the highest range in the game which additionally is unblockable.This things here still happen. And I still don't understand why such things aren't nerfed in a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnuzone.8395 Posted August 31, 2018 Share Posted August 31, 2018 @Xtinct.7031 said:How has this not been bought up yet? I think the stacking damage modifiers are overtuned and out of control. Have not been an issue for me what so ever. Had a few pew-pew:ing at me doing little to no dmg. But then again, full ministrels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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