Zerker Soulbeast meta not an issue for anyone in wvw?

whoknocks.4935 · September 7, 2018

@Arheundel.6451 said:
@whoknocks.4935 said:
@bigo.9037 said:
@whoknocks.4935 said:
@bigo.9037 said:The real problem with soulbeasts is actually how they can achieve decent single target dmg while having really high sustain because of boons like regen and protection.but that probably wont be adressed for a while cus everyone is still using the zerk 1shot, one trick pony builds :)

The problem with soulbeast is low risk high reward and noob friendly usage.

You don't get punished at all for running full glass, in the same why of full glass ele for example.

Soulbeast right now is basically a warrior with 1500 range (yeah 1800+ many times), with stealth, evades, block, high mobility, high regen and sustain due to boonspam (perma regen and perma prot mainly), nasty soft and hard CC skills, crazy high damage and incredibility easy to pull off from safe range.People say, don't make a range kite you and go melee!If we talk about melee their damage is probably higher than ranged one and they can still pressure you at melee combat.Or if they run sword/dagger they can evade a lot.

It's just the new cheesy spec of roaming that even noobs can abuse.

ranger is only noobfriendly in terms of range. to pull anything else meaningful off like the survivability you need coordinate your skills a lot more. I have mained ranger since I started. every time I see a 1 hit ranger or a ranger tries to kill me with his duel build I destroy them. they play really bad and get rekt by most other specs when I see them cus they suck.

but you ARE correct that GOOD rangers are OP because they can utilize everything the class has to offer. if you pull off the rotations correctly and your opponent makes mistakes it's extremely effective at punishing them for those mistakes.

@whoknocks.4935 I think you've been rather unlucky with the soulbeasts you're facing tbh. most of the ones I see are complete trash who not good for anything but 1upping a fight that was already started.

edit fixing typos cus I'm writing this on my phone

I killed plenty of soulbeasts, but what I hate the most is the noob friendly and low risk aspect of the profession.

It is true a good soulbeast can utilise the class at his max and punish you for your mistakes a lot, but this is true with any profession you play, if you are on your main.

But in many cases the profession does 90% of the job for you.Druid for example is the top number 1 profession on what I am referring too.You can afford to commit multiple and several mistakes and still win because carried by the profession and not by your personal skill.

One day I was dueling a druid who was a bit condi oriented, probably a weird hybrid build.

I was playing core full zerk warrior, pretty simple and easy standard dueling profession.

Many people watched us dueling, I literally landed every single stun I have, the fight was so long and this guy was dodging on my autoattacks instead of dodging my stuns, I landed every single eviscerate and arcing slice, I had perma 3ah all the fight, but him having perma protection, keeping me perma poisoned, as soon he was 15% health, pop celestial avatar off cooldown, stealth, exit out of stealth always 100% health in 3-4 seconds, and he kept doing this for maybe 2-3 minutes when he finally downed me because of stupid condis working on me plus sustained damage from the stupid pet.

Every single guy who saw us dueling was shocked how badly and poorly he played and still managed to win just because of how brainless his profession is, he didn't deserve the win at all, yeah i died, he beat me, but this doesn't mean he is better than me or he has more skill than me, in this case seriously he was not even half my skill level, he switched to warrior after adfirming it was his main, and i did 10-0 on him and he started saying i turned on some weird tool because against his ranger i was so noob. But i had zero chances on that stupid druid build he was playing.

Why I told you this? Because soulbeast right now is just abused by everyone, and because of all the tools at his disposal, a worse player can beat a better one.And the problem is almost nobody really runs full zerk with strength or pack runes, but a mix of marauder/zerk with dura runes can still achieve the damage to "oneshot" 100-0 plus having doubled sustain.

Instead of doing 40k rapid fire maybe you do 15-20k, the average health of every profession.

But as you said the worse ones just runs in duo or just wait to jump you and +1 for the easy kill because they are garbage.

@"Turk.5460" said:Here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Y3PV577bSxRL_lw-Wxq41_3EbtTK87IU/view

Finally someone with video proofs of the stupid overrange of rangers.

It's so nasty to use mobility skilla especially in wvw for over 2k range and still get hit by rangers camping longbow and simply walking.

A warrior complaining about fairness...now I have seen it all.A core warrior probably with "mights make me right" and strength runes - stability on CC - double immunity etc etc etc...your entire build is 90% passive but you still talk about skill and noob aspects of rangers when your very profession is the to go for new players and instant gratification goonies ....how many mistakes can you make a warrior?...I bet you run with might on dodge food...c'mon.......

And yeah I have a warrior too...the ranger must be experienced to stand a chance, it's so freaking easy to kill them with all the passive sustain/blocks I have and I am still useful and wanted in any aspect of the game, I can join zergs, go pvp ..all with min effort

I am not a main warrior, I was just using it for duels and fun so stfu and stop assuming.

Soulbeast has double immunity too, double stone signet ehm ehm, and on shorter cooldown than endure pain ehm ehm, stealth, perma protection, 1500+ bugged range able to 100-0 even targets with above 3k armor.

Pet ai bugged as hell and annoying.

Crazy high mobility and sustain regen.

As i said it's just a warrior plus range.

You can say anything about warrior since it's not my main and it's a noob friendly spec easy to use, easy to master, BUT easy as hell to outplay and counter, something that soulbeast is not that easily.

Arcaedus.7290 · September 7, 2018

@Strider Pj.2193 said:
@Arcaedus.7290 said:
@Mokk.2397 said:I never said that were no discrepancies in range .As I pointed out I myself have tested a 1800 range from height. I do argue the over exaggeration of range.That video does not prove 1800 or a 1875 range let alone 2200 plus range.It only proves a slight increase in range over 1200 for point blank and 1500 for long range shot.The evidence in this video is weak at best.Not conclusive evidence of the exaggerated ranges of over 1800 to 2200 . If at some point that ANET sees a problem or someone conclusively proves ranges beyond 1800 from height or level ground I will stick with my own findings of a maximum of 1800 from a height greater than target.

I tested this myself on flat ground in the pvp lobby as well as guild hall duel arena. Ranger longbow auto attack (and rapid fire) has a range somewhere between 1840 and 1870. If we assume 1850, that's a 23% range buffer which is way too high. And note, this is on flat ground. If you add any elevation, the range goes much higher (can even go higher than 2000 which you can test vs. Sic Em).

Anyone can test these things themselves. The range is clearly much much higher than 1600 and whether or not you think so, this

IS

a balance issue that should be addressed.

Did you test the other arcing projectiles like Staff 1 on Ele?

Yes. Other arcing projectiles seem to have different range buffers than the 23% ranger longbow has. Dragonhunter longbow auto attack for example has a pretty enormous range buffer of 37% (It hits at 1600-1650 when it's given range is 1200).

Strider Pj.2193 · September 7, 2018

@Arcaedus.7290 said:
@Strider Pj.2193 said:
@Arcaedus.7290 said:
@Mokk.2397 said:I never said that were no discrepancies in range .As I pointed out I myself have tested a 1800 range from height. I do argue the over exaggeration of range.That video does not prove 1800 or a 1875 range let alone 2200 plus range.It only proves a slight increase in range over 1200 for point blank and 1500 for long range shot.The evidence in this video is weak at best.Not conclusive evidence of the exaggerated ranges of over 1800 to 2200 . If at some point that ANET sees a problem or someone conclusively proves ranges beyond 1800 from height or level ground I will stick with my own findings of a maximum of 1800 from a height greater than target.

I tested this myself on flat ground in the pvp lobby as well as guild hall duel arena. Ranger longbow auto attack (and rapid fire) has a range somewhere between 1840 and 1870. If we assume 1850, that's a 23% range buffer which is way too high. And note, this is on flat ground. If you add any elevation, the range goes much higher (can even go higher than 2000 which you can test vs. Sic Em).

Anyone can test these things themselves. The range is clearly much much higher than 1600 and whether or not you think so, this

IS

a balance issue that should be addressed.

Did you test the other arcing projectiles like Staff 1 on Ele?

Yes. Other arcing projectiles seem to have different range buffers than the 23% ranger longbow has. Dragonhunter longbow auto attack for example has a pretty enormous range buffer of 37% (It hits at 1600-1650 when it's given range is 1200).

Hmm. Seems like this was intended on arcing projectiles as they travel slower than ones that do not.

Shadowcat.2680 · September 7, 2018

@whoknocks.4935 said:
@Arheundel.6451 said:
@whoknocks.4935 said:
@bigo.9037 said:
@whoknocks.4935 said:
@bigo.9037 said:The real problem with soulbeasts is actually how they can achieve decent single target dmg while having really high sustain because of boons like regen and protection.but that probably wont be adressed for a while cus everyone is still using the zerk 1shot, one trick pony builds :)