Einlanzer.1627 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Very simple poll here - I find the norn to be a very compelling race but am put off of playing them (males in particular) because of the design of their model. I'm curious who else feels this way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martnor.1746 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 As much as I am not a fan of the male Norn, I think their current looks captures their nature/culture quite well. Mostly large and with muscles, tough people that are built to survive harsh cold environments but who also love to drink. So although the look is not for me, I think it fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einlanzer.1627 Posted September 11, 2020 Author Share Posted September 11, 2020 I guess these polls are a little folly really, because people are always going to favor the status quo unless the status quo is exceptionally bad. I still say they would benefit from an update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infusion.7149 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 What makes you think they need an update though? They haven't been changed in 8 years , what makes you think that Arenanet would devote resources to something like that?Think about it, every single armor and outfit would have to be looked at again by their team to ensure there is no significant clipping issues or the like. The only thing that they'd probably change is adding more faces/hairstyles/skin tones/tattoos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trise.2865 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Let me preface by saying: just because I think the Norn could use some tweaking doesn't mean they must or even should be tweaked. These are very different sentiments.That being said: I'm all for visual updates, especially if they add more visibly distinct silhouettes between the species (something akin to the original Sylvari rework). Personally, I would love it if the Norn could incorporate their transformation abilities more into movement and combat (or at least combat anims), but that may be asking a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanBB.4268 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 Even though I voted for change, I really don't think it is necessary. I think any time Anet adds more options for character customization, it is a good thing.[edit] I think they should look less like humans, rather than more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylan.2187 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I'm most annoyed by how ridiculous the difference between female and male Norn is. You can make the male characters look like a yoga ball but the females all have to be nicely thin of course! Either allow players to make female Norn characters with Zarya-type butch physique, or synchronize the appearance of the male characters to the female variants so they look less like Santa Claus and more like a tall giant. No reason for the double standard, just seems like basic sexism.And before someone starts insinuating things, I'm a thin straight guy who's quite fond of thin female characters, I just genuinely think that the double standard is unfair. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timbersword.9014 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I voted no, but only for lack of an "other." I'd rather if Anet just provided more body options, or hell, actual body sliders instead of prefabbed proportions/weights options to choose from. My Norn needs hips! HIPS!Shoot, even one of those square sliders with the four directions would work, with thick/thin on opposing sides, and stocky/curvy(?) taking the other two opposing sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astyrah.4015 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 can update them or leave them as-is (they are fine as they are imo)if changing/updating them:female norn needs more body/physique types such as the other 2 found here https://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/File:Norn_concept_art_2.jpgmaybe a taller but more lean body/physique type for male norn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loosmaster.8263 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I did no but I would like them a bit taller. I also wouldn't mind if Anet made a Jotun combat tonic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coso.9173 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 hardly going to change now, but i never liked their designs. their females look like underwear models, nad their males.... look like a gorilla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega.6801 Posted September 11, 2020 Share Posted September 11, 2020 I'd rather have ANet spend resources elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game of Bones.8975 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I'll bring a little reality into fantasy. Bergmann's rule: within populations of a species the larger, heavier specimens are found in the northern climes while the the smaller variations are found near warmer climates.Bison, moose, elk found -- north; most bovines, goats, and deer -- southPolar bears, Kodiak, grizzly -- North; Black, sun, and panda -- southI don't want to see just a scaled up human. Their extra bulk and muscle are from living in a much more harsh environment than temperate hum ans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ototo.3214 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Instead of outright altering things that would impact the way current characters look, i would prefer they just add more options for body proportions/faces to the character creator. Leaves current characters alone and gives people more options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante.1508 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Yes they need overhauls but not really in looks they need race mechanics overhaul, hell all race skills needed an overhaul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randin.5701 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Honestly, if we were to see the norn's design change, the males are the ones I'd leave untouched--they at least look like a separate race. The female norn just being the human female model scaled up is the major visual weakness of the race.If we wanted to go further than that, then maybe incorporate some of their shapeshifting into their base designs, as customization options. Allowing norn to have animal features--claws, patches of fur or feathers, pointed ears, wolf or cat eyes, etc.--without making them a full charr-style beast race, and ideally while also dodging them becoming a catgirl race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donutdude.9582 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I enjoy the way my Norn looks and sounds. I enjoy the story about the Norn in the game, including the recent LWS content.Leave the Norn alone and allow us to continue our hunt for eternal glory! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caedmon.6798 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 I do love my bulky norn,but i think theyre Too bulky. The shoulders are especially odd. Theres lots of good armor skins and outfits that look amazing on my human or my asuran but on my norn it just looks laughable. I remember always hiding my pauldrons whenever i played that char aswell because of the size of them. Instead of updating their proportions a proper char creation screen with more sliders for different body parts could be the answer aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 There's a ton of problems with Norn as they are now, but how they look is not one of those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vavume.8065 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 22 characters 0 Norns, because simply they look like bubbling oafs, their movement animation is the main reason for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einlanzer.1627 Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 @Astralporing.1957 said:There's a ton of problems with Norn as they are now, but how they look is not one of those.Subjective claims are not objective claims. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einlanzer.1627 Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 @Taylan.2187 said:I'm most annoyed by how ridiculous the difference between female and male Norn is. You can make the male characters look like a yoga ball but the females all have to be nicely thin of course! Either allow players to make female Norn characters with Zarya-type butch physique, or synchronize the appearance of the male characters to the female variants so they look less like Santa Claus and more like a tall giant. No reason for the double standard, just seems like basic sexism.And before someone starts insinuating things, I'm a thin straight guy who's quite fond of thin female characters, I just genuinely think that the double standard is unfair. ^^Yes, this is actually what bothers me the most as well. I simply cannot play a male norn because their proportions look absurd while female norn just look like tall and slightly less petite humans. I honestly think this is a problem and am not sure why it was ever allowed to go live. Although that aside I also think it would be cool if they looked a little less like humans overall, with a more gruff/wintry appearance (i.e. a typical fantasy giant race). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 @Einlanzer.1627 said:@Astralporing.1957 said:There's a ton of problems with Norn as they are now, but how they look is not one of those.Subjective claims are not objective claims.True. But then the same can be said about your view. This whole thread is all about purely subjective feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einlanzer.1627 Posted September 12, 2020 Author Share Posted September 12, 2020 @Astralporing.1957 said:@Einlanzer.1627 said:@Astralporing.1957 said:There's a ton of problems with Norn as they are now, but how they look is not one of those.Subjective claims are not objective claims.True. But then the same can be said about your view. This whole thread is all about purely subjective feelings.Yeah but I never presented my view as if it was objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krz.1327 Posted September 12, 2020 Share Posted September 12, 2020 Norns need more character creation options, from what I remember they have less hair styles to choose from etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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