Exile.8160 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) Is what the Tournament of legends should have been called!! Its been months of since necs have gone unchecked I think its about time Anet nerf them the way they nerfed Firebrand, into nothingness. Edited July 12, 2021 by Exile.8160 8 1 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 calling for blanket nerfs to a class and its sub specs means necs to nothing, how about we hear from people on what the general problems are (damage, sustain, etc.). 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile.8160 Posted July 12, 2021 Author Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Stand The Wall.6987 said: calling for blanket nerfs to a class and its sub specs means necs to nothing, how about we hear from people on what the general problems are (damage, sustain, etc.). When a class is played 3 of on multiple teams on a big tournament it means something is wrong about the class. Also its funny how the other support spec (Core guard) is ran either 1 or none and tempest ele is bearly played. Edited July 12, 2021 by Exile.8160 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted July 12, 2021 Share Posted July 12, 2021 4 hours ago, Stand The Wall.6987 said: calling for blanket nerfs to a class and its sub specs means necs to nothing, how about we hear from people on what the general problems are (damage, sustain, etc.). The general problems are necro, necro, and uh...necro 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffypaws.2860 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Everyone loses in this matchup, everyone .... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Crab Fear.1624 said: The general problems are necro, necro, and uh...necro appeals to emotion is the way to get things done Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fluffypaws.2860 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 5 hours ago, Stand The Wall.6987 said: appeals to emotion is the way to get things done I hereby nominate Brahm to demonstrate to you the specific issues with Necromancer. He sums it up through actions rather than words. Consider it a kind of Norn sign language. Disclaimer, I'm not responsible for any emotions this demonstration evokes in the viewer. Please jump to 7:02 in the video. Thanks and regards from Mack the heartless. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) The funny thing is elementalist got nuked from orbit with nerfs few weeks after that NA team won that tournament with 4 eles in 2014 I believe and following, elementalist got demolished by nerfs..the second the class made more than 1-2 appearances during a whole tournament. They nerfed fresh air ele with dmg but very glassy...then reaper exists They nerfed tempest support....then scourge exists They deleted core ele...then core necro exists It's not like I am asking to delete necro or treat it similarly to ele....I just want people to recognize the clear class bias, for how far fetched the idea is...nobody can deny at this point how much class bias is present within this company. How can you have a class that reaches 100% representation during a 3vs3 tournament and nothing happens to it, but the second another class get played by more than a handful of players ( at the top level, mind you) it get demolished by nerfs few weeks after. Call me tin foil theorist all you want but really....this is now so painfully obvious..... Edited July 13, 2021 by Arheundel.6451 10 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nausicaa.4039 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Necros need some firebrand treatments. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile.8160 Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Arheundel.6451 said: The funny thing is elementalist got nuked from orbit with nerfs few weeks after that NA team won that tournament with 4 eles in 2014 I believe and following, elementalist got demolished by nerfs..the second the class made more than 1-2 appearances during a whole tournament. They nerfed fresh air ele with dmg but very glassy...then reaper exists They nerfed tempest support....then scourge exists They deleted core ele...then core necro exists It's not like I am asking to delete necro or treat it similarly to ele....I just want people to recognize the clear class bias, for how far fetched the idea is...nobody can deny at this point how much class bias is present within this company. How can you have a class that reaches 100% representation during a 3vs3 tournament and nothing happens to it, but the second another class get played by more than a handful of players ( at the top level, mind you) it get demolished by nerfs few weeks after. Call me tin foil theorist all you want but really....this is now so painfully obvious..... I keep saying this, theres a clear bias here ( specially if nec doesnt get touch on todays patch) just like ele if it were a Guard or any other class it would have been nerf months ago and not the good kind of nerf to the would have made them useless just like the Firebrand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile.8160 Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 8 hours ago, Stand The Wall.6987 said: appeals to emotion is the way to get things done Did you even see the tournaments? There was 2 to 3 necros on each team. The winning team di it with 3. I dont even wanna look at the 3v3 one. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazsi.2734 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Arheundel.6451 said: The funny thing is elementalist got nuked from orbit with nerfs few weeks after that NA team won that tournament with 4 eles in 2014 I believe and following, elementalist got demolished by nerfs..the second the class made more than 1-2 appearances during a whole tournament. They nerfed fresh air ele with dmg but very glassy...then reaper exists They nerfed tempest support....then scourge exists They deleted core ele...then core necro exists It's not like I am asking to delete necro or treat it similarly to ele....I just want people to recognize the clear class bias, for how far fetched the idea is...nobody can deny at this point how much class bias is present within this company. How can you have a class that reaches 100% representation during a 3vs3 tournament and nothing happens to it, but the second another class get played by more than a handful of players ( at the top level, mind you) it get demolished by nerfs few weeks after. Call me tin foil theorist all you want but really....this is now so painfully obvious..... While you do have a point there, I'd like to point out that pretty much anything that overperformed to the degree of celestial ele got nerfed back in 2014. Back then there was an entire balance team. Now we have CmC sometimes not working on the new X-pac...(you'd think that after the big annoucement they would show some work in their next patch but nah) My point is, it's not bias, it's incompetence. They deemed the live version of the game low priority, and nothing short of gamebreaking bugs gets fixed. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aktium.9506 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Arheundel.6451 said: 100% representation during a 3vs3 tournament When the did 2v2 and 3v3 stop being anything other than meme game modes you play just to mess around in? The finals on EU for 5v5 had 1 Necro in it and that team lost pretty hard. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar.4257 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Aktium.9506 said: When the did 2v2 and 3v3 stop being anything other than meme game modes you play just to mess around in? The finals on EU for 5v5 had 1 Necro in it and that team lost pretty hard. If you're going to lie, at least make it something that isn't easily verifiable as a lie. There was a scourge on each team. And the team that lost, lost because they were playing weaver+mirage+herald into holo+holo+daredevil (well, that, and that R55 are just good players). Edited July 13, 2021 by Ragnar.4257 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aktium.9506 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, Ragnar.4257 said: If you're going to lie, at least make it something that isn't easily verifiable as a lie. There was a scourge on each team. And the team that lost, lost because they were playing weaver+mirage+herald into holo+holo+daredevil. tbh I didn't even notice r55 had a scourge when I looked the match up 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuRkEr.9462 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 I mean PvP has been the same combination of 5-6 classes for quite a while. Every team has a guardian, every team has a necro, every team has a holo, every team has a thief. This is winning teams usually though. Sometimes thief would be replaced by a mesmer or have the 5th slot be one, but I wouldn't say Scourge is the problem. The winning team has 1 scourge while they had 2 holos, so we all cry for holo nerf? (which people have been for a while, Holo is nuts lol) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 3 hours ago, Arheundel.6451 said: The funny thing is elementalist got nuked from orbit with nerfs few weeks after that NA team won that tournament with 4 eles in 2014 I believe and following, elementalist got demolished by nerfs..the second the class made more than 1-2 appearances during a whole tournament. A 4 minionmancer and 1 scourge team won a daily AT i was in the other day. I wouldnt be surprised if a comp like this was in the next mat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile.8160 Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 36 minutes ago, Aktium.9506 said: When the did 2v2 and 3v3 stop being anything other than meme game modes you play just to mess around in? The finals on EU for 5v5 had 1 Necro in it and that team lost pretty hard. Well the NA final had 3 necros. Since Im playing in NA and that what I care about. Necro is a problem and it needs to be delt with. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThrakathNar.4537 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, LuRkEr.9462 said: I mean PvP has been the same combination of 5-6 classes for quite a while. Every team has a guardian, every team has a necro, every team has a holo, every team has a thief. This is winning teams usually though. Sometimes thief would be replaced by a mesmer or have the 5th slot be one, but I wouldn't say Scourge is the problem. The winning team has 1 scourge while they had 2 holos, so we all cry for holo nerf? (which people have been for a while, Holo is nuts lol) Except it's not true to say that "every" team has one of those, and a cursory glance at the finals on NA should prove otherwise. Each team had three necros and zero holos. Granted, it's true that both teams had a guardian and a thief, but to say that Scourge (or necro in general) is not at least part of the problem is not really accurate. To be fair, picking out any one individual match (like I did with the NA finals) is purely anecdotal and is not concrete evidence of anything, but it's not like picking out the selected example of the EU finals is any more reliable. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnar.4257 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, LuRkEr.9462 said: I mean PvP has been the same combination of 5-6 classes for quite a while. Every team has a guardian, every team has a necro, every team has a holo, every team has a thief. This is winning teams usually though. Sometimes thief would be replaced by a mesmer or have the 5th slot be one, but I wouldn't say Scourge is the problem. The winning team has 1 scourge while they had 2 holos, so we all cry for holo nerf? (which people have been for a while, Holo is nuts lol) Yes, lets just cherry-pick one match, and ignore all the other matches that have happened over the last 3 months of ATs, MATs, 2v2/3v3 tournaments, community tournaments, which have featured many teams with 2+ necros, and even the ones which only had 1 were still dominated by the scourge's rezzing potential slowing everything down to a boring grind. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 While I don't think necro needs nerfing into oblivion I think Hizen's video summed up a lot of the problems with the class. It dominates in WvW, it's well represented in PvP and in PvE mechanics are optional, there is no other class that is as forgiving or that gives as good results for barely any effort while also being not just good but top tier in many areas. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sindrener.1592 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 Necro has been a problem since whole pof and even more after february patch. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile.8160 Posted July 13, 2021 Author Share Posted July 13, 2021 It didnt even get touch this patch.... we get a whole nother week of this nonsenses -_- 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 7 hours ago, Aktium.9506 said: tbh I didn't even notice r55 had a scourge when I looked the match up thats what happens when every team has 2-3 necros, you kinda glance through the icons and miss them as you get used to seeing them every game 😄 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mini Crinny.6190 Posted July 13, 2021 Share Posted July 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Exile.8160 said: It didnt even get touch this patch.... we get a whole nother week of this nonsenses -_- actually at least 2 weeks, probably more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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