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Expansion new weapon - not the pistol, the STAFF! (aka spear!)

I've seen quite a few posts suggesting a pistol as the next weapon for the warrior in the upcoming expansion. I was just thinking how cool it could be to have a spear (staff). Just think of the possibilities! throw!, impale! sweeping strike!

GOT viper vs the mount themes come to mind!

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  • If an actual spear and not a staff then sure, otherwise pistol/pistol.

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I am expecting next elite to have support aspect able to provide either group alacrity or quickness. Probably staff.

  • Yasai.3549Yasai.3549 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Guys, obviously Warrior is gonna get Mainhand Shield.

    If I play a stupid build, I deserve to die.
    If I beat people on a stupid build, I deserve to get away with it.

  • @Yasai.3549 said:
    Guys, obviously Warrior is gonna get Mainhand Shield.

    This is my new favourite!

  • Smoosh.2718Smoosh.2718 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 19, 2020

    Could people stop trying to trigger me with 'staff' or 'spear'! It has to be Pistol!

    Also:

    "Just think of the possibilities! throw!, impale! sweeping strike!" You mean Greatsword?

  • Lighter.5631Lighter.5631 Member ✭✭✭✭

    short bow, thanks

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited October 19, 2020

    How about a Sceptre that works like a javelin?

    With Revenants and Daredevils being able to hit enemies using Kasmeer's Staff, a Warrior throwing Sceptres is a non-issue.

  • @Lighter.5631 said:
    short bow, thanks

    Power or condi?

  • Smoosh.2718Smoosh.2718 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:
    How about a Sceptre that works like a javelin?

    With Revenants and Daredevils being able to hit enemies using Kasmeer's Staff, a Warrior throwing Sceptres is a non-issue.

    Yes I can not wait to throw this at people...
    764px-Princess_Wand.jpg

    That is the reasons I do not want Staff as the weapon for warrior, limited skin choices for something that looks good melee, and 0 legendary weapon choices for melee (Bifrost has a huge caster vibe to it). The biggest reason for me, is that I am really not a fan of staff/spears in games, reminds me more of an old guy who can barely walk fighting with their walking stick.... Which come to think about, we may need if balance keeps up.

  • felix.2386felix.2386 Member ✭✭✭

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

    @Lighter.5631 said:
    short bow, thanks

    Power or condi?

    doesnt matter, renegade shortbow was supposed condi, but it's meta power build right now in PvP

    longbow was supposed condi, but hambow was power, greatsword/lb is also power, and shoutbow was hybrid.
    anything can happe tbh.

  • @felix.2386 said:

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

    @Lighter.5631 said:
    short bow, thanks

    Power or condi?

    doesnt matter, renegade shortbow was supposed condi, but it's meta power build right now in PvP

    longbow was supposed condi, but hambow was power, greatsword/lb is also power, and shoutbow was hybrid.
    anything can happe tbh.

    I know, my question was more of a tongue in cheek comment. The correct answer would simply have been "yes."

  • Opopanax.1803Opopanax.1803 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Spear or Staff makes more sense for a support build.
    We need a support build or a condi build for this next espec.

    I would prefer staff and a support build.

  • @Opopanax.1803 said:
    Spear or Staff makes more sense for a support build.
    We need a support build or a condi build for this next espec.

    I would prefer staff and a support build.

    Nothing stopping a pistol/pistol support build centered on blast finishers and command based profession mechanics. E-Specs come with new utilities and new mechanics remember? There is nothing stopping a pistol/pistol spec from having F1-F4 skills being support focused with each consuming a single bar of adrenaline while the weapon bar itself is DPS + Blast finishers with fields granted via traits/utilities.

    Support comes from more than the weapon bar and Warrior does not need another melee weapon. It needs a solid mid range power dps option that provides utility on the offhand. Imagine a Pistol 5 that leaves a water field with Pistol 4 being an AoE daze that is a blast finisher, and a Pistol 2 that is a single target DPS skill that is short CD and a blast finisher? What if that Pistol 5 were a smoke field instead?

  • Opopanax.1803Opopanax.1803 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Staff should be a 900 range weapon.

    Pistol just doesn't seem to fit support theme, though would love it for Condi . Would love smoke fields.

  • Telgum.6071Telgum.6071 Member ✭✭
    edited October 26, 2020

    I don't understand why the people around here wants pistol so bad... I really prefer a rework of the actual ranged weapons.

    And I really don't see the Staff/Spear thing coming out, since we already have the Berserker and the Magebane(Spellbreaker) I would prefer something like a Battlemage with Scepter, Staff or Focus. Or a Raider with Shortbow.

  • Obtena.7952Obtena.7952 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Medium Range staff ... I'm all for that. It feels like it starts hitting 'Daredevil' territory though.

    If you're on a highway and roadrunner goes "beep beep"
    Just step aside or you might end up in a heap

  • Opopanax.1803Opopanax.1803 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Obtena.7952 said:
    Medium Range staff ... I'm all for that. It feels like it starts hitting 'Daredevil' territory though.

    Agreed, would have to be done well and made distinctive.

    I think it could be cool to have more of a enemy debuffer support theme, ie weakness and fear vs enemies.

    For staff skills, would love to see a mix of things, perhaps one skill akin to a necromancers mark, one banner like the old banners that could be moved, add to it a pulsing debuff. Then a group block and a heal of some sort.

    I would avoid the avoidance that DD has, or it would rip off DD.

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭✭

    What about two bundles on one weapon where you switch between its skills by pressing the last button with a strong effect of course, so we get staff/spear for semi melee ranged reach and switch to bear fists for close range. Yes im still going with the Monk that punches people to heal people like Kharazim from HoTS and it would fit warrior better as a offensive healer.

  • @Vancho.8750 said:
    What about two bundles on one weapon where you switch between its skills by pressing the last button with a strong effect of course, so we get staff/spear for semi melee ranged reach and switch to bear fists for close range. Yes im still going with the Monk that punches people to heal people like Kharazim from HoTS and it would fit warrior better as a offensive healer.

    I cast Fist and heal the whole party.

  • Some of the things I believe that warrior lacks the most is mid range and AOE pressure which is why I think we'll get short bow, and looking at all the other professions that have short bow they're all condi based so I'd guess it'd be condi based. I could also see them doing power just because most warrior things seem power based.

    #nornmodeisbestmode

  • @Red Haired Savage.5430 said:
    Some of the things I believe that warrior lacks the most is mid range and AOE pressure which is why I think we'll get short bow, and looking at all the other professions that have short bow they're all condi based so I'd guess it'd be condi based. I could also see them doing power just because most warrior things seem power based.

    I think Pistol/Pistol could involve exploding shells personally.

  • @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

    @Red Haired Savage.5430 said:
    Some of the things I believe that warrior lacks the most is mid range and AOE pressure which is why I think we'll get short bow, and looking at all the other professions that have short bow they're all condi based so I'd guess it'd be condi based. I could also see them doing power just because most warrior things seem power based.

    I think Pistol/Pistol could involve exploding shells personally.

    It'd almost have to for the AOE, but that almost feels too Engineer to me. That being said I can't think of too many other classes that would "realistically" use pistols (yes I know Mesmer uses a magic pistol).

    #nornmodeisbestmode

  • @Red Haired Savage.5430 said:

    @Lan Deathrider.5910 said:

    @Red Haired Savage.5430 said:
    Some of the things I believe that warrior lacks the most is mid range and AOE pressure which is why I think we'll get short bow, and looking at all the other professions that have short bow they're all condi based so I'd guess it'd be condi based. I could also see them doing power just because most warrior things seem power based.

    I think Pistol/Pistol could involve exploding shells personally.

    It'd almost have to for the AOE, but that almost feels too Engineer to me. That being said I can't think of too many other classes that would "realistically" use pistols (yes I know Mesmer uses a magic pistol).

    If Holo can be an engi/warrior themed e-spec then warrior can get a warrior/engi themed e-spec. We already have one gunpowder weapon, not so weird to have another.

  • Smoosh.2718Smoosh.2718 Member ✭✭✭
    edited October 30, 2020

    @Telgum.6071 said:
    I don't understand why the people around here wants pistol so bad... I really prefer a rework of the actual ranged weapons.

    And I really don't see the Staff/Spear thing coming out, since we already have the Berserker and the Magebane(Spellbreaker) I would prefer something like a Battlemage with Scepter, Staff or Focus. Or a Raider with Shortbow.

    You must be kind of new here, ANET does not do reworks, they just do ammo and number changes.

    Also, do note that there are already NPC's in the game wearing heavy armour and using pistol pistol (and im not talking about only the Charr).

    Why do I want this weapon so badly? Warrior has never had a 1h range weapon, its lacked it from the core days and really its builds have been limited by this. Having a 1h range weapon will open the doors to so many build options, which a staff will never do.

    If we do get staff and find out that its not really a great weapon, congratulations you'll never use the weapon (just like torch). At least with pistol you'll be able see it in many areas of the game, PvE, PvP and WvW.

    Build options and play styles is why It must be pistol and not staff, I will stand by this strongly.

    @Red Haired Savage.5430 said:
    Some of the things I believe that warrior lacks the most is mid range and AOE pressure which is why I think we'll get short bow, and looking at all the other professions that have short bow they're all condi based so I'd guess it'd be condi based. I could also see them doing power just because most warrior things seem power based.

    Please... no... more... condi... weapons.

  • I mean a staff would be cool, but not as a spear. I agree that if a spear is added, it should be a spear.

    I would see it as a BO Staff similar to how the Thief and Revenant use it. I see Mantras being a thing for Warrior for support/Healing thus calling the specialization MONK.

    I could also see a Pistol/sword wielding pirate like specialization.

  • Smoosh.2718Smoosh.2718 Member ✭✭✭

    @MatyrGustav.6210 said:
    I could also see a Pistol/sword wielding pirate like specialization.

    Or the new elite spec could be called the Dualist, using two pistols.

  • MatyrGustav.6210MatyrGustav.6210 Member ✭✭
    edited November 20, 2020

    @Smoosh.2718 said:

    @MatyrGustav.6210 said:
    I could also see a Pistol/sword wielding pirate like specialization.

    Or the new elite spec could be called the Dualist, using two pistols.

    Yes, but Anet given two weapons at once on a spec yet. If dual pistols are added, i can see then adding Off-Hand pistol as a core weapon and the mainhand pistol as a spec. Hopefully

  • @MatyrGustav.6210 said:

    @Smoosh.2718 said:

    @MatyrGustav.6210 said:
    I could also see a Pistol/sword wielding pirate like specialization.

    Or the new elite spec could be called the Dualist, using two pistols.

    Yes, but Anet given two weapons at once on a spec yet. If dual pistols are added, i can see then adding Off-Hand pistol as a core weapon and the mainhand pistol as a spec. Hopefully

    Spellbreaker. Dual Daggers.

    Dual wielding was supposed to be a specialty of the warrior after all.

  • Smoosh.2718Smoosh.2718 Member ✭✭✭

    @MatyrGustav.6210 said:

    @Smoosh.2718 said:

    @MatyrGustav.6210 said:
    I could also see a Pistol/sword wielding pirate like specialization.

    Or the new elite spec could be called the Dualist, using two pistols.

    Yes, but Anet given two weapons at once on a spec yet. If dual pistols are added, i can see then adding Off-Hand pistol as a core weapon and the mainhand pistol as a spec. Hopefully

    Warrior being a 'weapons master' is the only class in the game that has all main hand weapons usable in the offhand as well (without having an elite spec to grant the other weapon). So you could say, that is the only thing that makes the warrior unique now, since every other class can provide the buffs the warrior used to provide to the party (Might being the big one).

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Smoosh.2718 said:

    @MatyrGustav.6210 said:
    I could also see a Pistol/sword wielding pirate like specialization.

    Or the new elite spec could be called the Dualist, using two pistols.

    I kinda don't want to have pistols on war cause ranged elite specks usually end up as total garbage or just don't use their ranged weapon in some cases, and we are talking about warrior here it doesn't have that many good traits or utilities to work with core traitlines in range. Pistols have to be next coming of god to be used and that would get them nerfed, so pistol warrior will be dead on arrival. A long range melee weapon on other hand would fit better and support specks tend to find their spots way easier then lets say yet another dps speck.

  • GewRoo.4172GewRoo.4172 Member ✭✭✭

    Spear version of Staff is nice. Reviving Paragon would be 10/10 bc feels.

  • @GewRoo.4172 said:
    Spear version of Staff is nice. Reviving Paragon would be 10/10 bc feels.

    Only with an actual spear. None of this staff kitten.

  • Teratus.2859Teratus.2859 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I'd rather have pistols because Warrior has pretty rubbish ranged weapons and really needs a good one.

    If they go with Spear though I hope they go with Land Harpoon.
    I do not want to see Staff repurposed as a Spear because of how many incompatible staff Skins there are in the game.. there's all ready far too much sillyness with Daredevils and Revenants twirling around awkward looking Magic Staffs.. don't need more of that with Warriors throwing Bifrost like a Spear >.<

    If they get Spear then make it use Harpoon's weapon and skin set.
    Sooner we can mix land and underwater weapons the better anyway since Anet can finally add more land weapons to the underwater weapon roster and significantly improve the build diversity and combat potential of underwater content.. a very very long time desire of mine personally.

  • Smoosh.2718Smoosh.2718 Member ✭✭✭

    @GewRoo.4172 said:
    Spear version of Staff is nice. Reviving Paragon would be 10/10 bc feels.

    I really don not want to seem like a broken record here, but what will spear/staff bring that is new that its current weapons can not already do?
    I mean you could argue and say its going to be a two handed melee condi weapon.. but my oh my would that be boring to play. If they make it throwable, then it does the same thing as Rifle and Long bow.

    Rather than thinking about what Guild Wars 1 was like, think about what the class is missing now, that it cannot currently do. This will be the most likely weapon that the warrior gets.

    So realisticly there are these options:
    Focus Aura support / defence / offence
    1 handed range condi / power (please dont be condi its boring AF to play)
    2 handed melee condi

    Will the Warrior ever get Sceptor? very hard to picture.
    Will Anet make spears land weapon? doubtable.
    Will Warrior get a shortbow? I seriously hope not, Longbow is the 'Condi' weapon Rifle is the Power

    People always wish for things that they remember from the past, but when they finally get it, they drop it the moment they try it again. Ask for things that are new, not for things of old. Lets face it, you wouldnt go back to your monsterous ex now would you? So why wish for something that's already been done before.

  • Vancho.8750Vancho.8750 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Smoosh.2718 said:

    @GewRoo.4172 said:
    Spear version of Staff is nice. Reviving Paragon would be 10/10 bc feels.

    I really don not want to seem like a broken record here, but what will spear/staff bring that is new that its current weapons can not already do?
    I mean you could argue and say its going to be a two handed melee condi weapon.. but my oh my would that be boring to play. If they make it throwable, then it does the same thing as Rifle and Long bow.

    Rather than thinking about what Guild Wars 1 was like, think about what the class is missing now, that it cannot currently do. This will be the most likely weapon that the warrior gets.

    So realisticly there are these options:
    Focus Aura support / defence / offence
    1 handed range condi / power (please dont be condi its boring AF to play)
    2 handed melee condi

    Will the Warrior ever get Sceptor? very hard to picture.
    Will Anet make spears land weapon? doubtable.
    Will Warrior get a shortbow? I seriously hope not, Longbow is the 'Condi' weapon Rifle is the Power

    People always wish for things that they remember from the past, but when they finally get it, they drop it the moment they try it again. Ask for things that are new, not for things of old. Lets face it, you wouldnt go back to your monsterous ex now would you? So why wish for something that's already been done before.

    Somewhere I wrote about a Spear/Fist set with 8 skill and 1 to switch between them, so the fists are 130 range and the other is also 'melee' but with bigger range something like 450 or 600, so you know you use it like polearms are used, to poke someone from distance. I still don't get why two handed weapons don't have more reach then one handed in the game.

  • Fueki.4753Fueki.4753 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Smoosh.2718 said:
    Focus Aura support / defence / offence

    I'd rather not have even more Auras in the game.
    They already are too much of an eyesore.

    1 handed range condi / power (please dont be condi its boring AF to play)

    Since Arenanet makes sure ranged damaged on Warrior is subpar, these two options would automatically be subpar as well.
    Since subpar weapons get ditched quickly, Pistol would bring nothing to Warrior that Rifle and Longbow cant already do.

    2 handed melee condi

    Who is to say that a spear can't be a condi weapon?
    I'm certain you would bleed a lot if I pierced your belly with a spear over and over again.
    And the blunt parts of the spear could be utilized to apply cripple, daze, vulnerability and/or Weakness.

  • Raizel.1839Raizel.1839 Member ✭✭✭

    I hope for shortbow.

  • Psycoprophet.8107Psycoprophet.8107 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Warrior in cantha setting, wonder if weapon or espec will fit the theme or if itl be just random?

  • Smoosh.2718Smoosh.2718 Member ✭✭✭

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Smoosh.2718 said:
    Focus Aura support / defence / offence

    I'd rather not have even more Auras in the game.
    They already are too much of an eyesore.

    Sorry I came off with the wrong words for this one, i meant as in a combat support role, like Warhorns function but provide buffs to those around. Would this be fun to use? probably not. It could be argued that the warrior already has this option with the warhorn (which does need some further tweeks for it to be good to use with power based mainhands.

    1 handed range condi / power (please dont be condi its boring AF to play)

    Since Arenanet makes sure ranged damaged on Warrior is subpar, these two options would automatically be subpar as well.
    Since subpar weapons get ditched quickly, Pistol would bring nothing to Warrior that Rifle and Longbow cant already do.

    Aye they do have a track record for making warriors ranged options not the best, In PvE there is no reason not to make the ranged skills for all classes do near enough the same damage, for PvP however base vitality of the class needs to be taken into account, for PvP and WvW The Pistol mainhand should be more of a bruiser role, while the offhand maintains a burst role, one thing that would be amazing to see is Anet change skill 4 on pistol depending on what mainhand weapon you have equiped but skills 1 2 and 3 stay the same regardless of offhand (yes im taking a thief thing here, but it would essentially allow you to use the pistol in any circumstance.)

    Skill 4 could then become a condi attack, a CC or a power attack.

    Do I seriously want to see this in the game? yes I do, I even made HOPE ready for this. Too much in the game currently is screaming Pistol is warriors next weapon, which I have stated before and pointed to why I honestly believe this.. enough to spend 2,000 gold on crafting a weapon.

    2 handed melee condi

    Who is to say that a spear can't be a condi weapon?
    I'm certain you would bleed a lot if I pierced your belly with a spear over and over again.
    And the blunt parts of the spear could be utilized to apply cripple, daze, vulnerability and/or Weakness.

    Yes Spear could be a condi weapon, bleeding however the warrior does enough of with sword, At most spear would cause torment, unless they decided to make it a fire spear. However, Personally staff/spear/condi weapons I never enjoy using, something about them just does not feel/seem visibly pleasing.

  • Smoosh.2718Smoosh.2718 Member ✭✭✭

    @Vancho.8750 said:
    Somewhere I wrote about a Spear/Fist set with 8 skill and 1 to switch between them, so the fists are 130 range and the other is also 'melee' but with bigger range something like 450 or 600, so you know you use it like polearms are used, to poke someone from distance. I still don't get why two handed weapons don't have more reach then one handed in the game.

    Focus melee could be interesting to see, however, there are no fitting legendary weapon skins for it. Still not keen on Spear at all, I still don't believe it brings enough to the table that the other weapons already do.

    As for the range, its a little borked, Warriors kick states range 300, yet it actually does 280. Ranger kick states range 270, but it actually does 380ish range.
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kick_(warrior_utility_skill)
    https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Kick_(soulbeast)

    I can understand why melee weapons have the same range, if all 2h weapons had longer range than a 1h, Why would you pick a 1h?

  • @Smoosh.2718 said:

    @Fueki.4753 said:

    @Smoosh.2718 said:
    Focus Aura support / defence / offence

    I'd rather not have even more Auras in the game.
    They already are too much of an eyesore.

    Sorry I came off with the wrong words for this one, i meant as in a combat support role, like Warhorns function but provide buffs to those around. Would this be fun to use? probably not. It could be argued that the warrior already has this option with the warhorn (which does need some further tweeks for it to be good to use with power based mainhands.

    1 handed range condi / power (please dont be condi its boring AF to play)

    Since Arenanet makes sure ranged damaged on Warrior is subpar, these two options would automatically be subpar as well.
    Since subpar weapons get ditched quickly, Pistol would bring nothing to Warrior that Rifle and Longbow cant already do.

    Aye they do have a track record for making warriors ranged options not the best, In PvE there is no reason not to make the ranged skills for all classes do near enough the same damage, for PvP however base vitality of the class needs to be taken into account, for PvP and WvW The Pistol mainhand should be more of a bruiser role, while the offhand maintains a burst role, one thing that would be amazing to see is Anet change skill 4 on pistol depending on what mainhand weapon you have equiped but skills 1 2 and 3 stay the same regardless of offhand (yes im taking a thief thing here, but it would essentially allow you to use the pistol in any circumstance.)

    Skill 4 could then become a condi attack, a CC or a power attack.

    Do I seriously want to see this in the game? yes I do, I even made HOPE ready for this. Too much in the game currently is screaming Pistol is warriors next weapon, which I have stated before and pointed to why I honestly believe this.. enough to spend 2,000 gold on crafting a weapon.

    2 handed melee condi

    Who is to say that a spear can't be a condi weapon?
    I'm certain you would bleed a lot if I pierced your belly with a spear over and over again.
    And the blunt parts of the spear could be utilized to apply cripple, daze, vulnerability and/or Weakness.

    Yes Spear could be a condi weapon, bleeding however the warrior does enough of with sword, At most spear would cause torment, unless they decided to make it a fire spear. However, Personally staff/spear/condi weapons I never enjoy using, something about them just does not feel/seem visibly pleasing.

    Warhorn needs a proper support mainhand.

    Pistol OH would have to be a burst DPS.

    I'd be down with Pistol 4 changing based on the MH. You'd have to do that for the other weapon combinations too though.

    Spear could do cripple, immobilize, weakness, and torment if it happened, but the spear trait is power.