Vindicator = reaper?

[BadSanta.6527]

we can see rev get gravdiger , what do you guys thing utilite will be

[Salvatore.3749]

That was an awesome trailer! Glad to see Rev get Saint Victor and Archamorus from Cantha! 

I think utilities are going to be support based by providing boons to Allies. Rev is one of my three favorite classes so I'm glad to see them get this weapon. 

[SeTect.5918]

We saw lots of movement skills also on this spec, also on the greatsword skills of it, like the aoe jumping with ramming ur gs in the ground. The only movement skills reaper has is in shroud (skill 2).
The gameplay seems to be way different.
Vindicator is not like Reaper imo.

If u mean this with the title...my bad if u dont

Edited September 14, 2021 by SeTect.5918

[GrayHawk.7560]

Awesome trailer and a great choice!

 

Also the fully fleshed out silhouette is basically Ninja Batman.

 

To me it looks like we can stance dance between Archemorus and Viktor, Archemorus being offensive and Viktor being defensive.

 

Plus Dragoon dives... wooo

[Orion Templar.4589]

The sentence at the end of the video caught my attention. "They leap into battle instead of dodging."  I'm wondering if that is just a thematic statement about how they fight frontline, or if there's actually a mechanic that replaces dodging (like how Mirage had a mechanic that replaced dodging.)

[Telgum.6071]

The same was said about Willbender being the same as Daredevil, so...

[draxynnic.3719]

4 minutes ago, Orion Templar.4589 said:

The sentence at the end of the video caught my attention. "They leap into battle instead of dodging."  I'm wondering if that is just a thematic statement about how they fight frontline, or if there's actually a mechanic that replaces dodging (like how Mirage had a mechanic that replaced dodging.)

Yeah, that caught my attention as well. But that seems like a REALLY long animation to be a substitute for dodging.

 

We'll find out at the end of the week, I guess.

 

Archemorus and Viktor is definitely lowering the bar on what it takes to be a Legend, though, even when combined.

[Vasdamas Anklast.1607]

Concept looks kinda slow. Really hope it's not just pve viable

Edited September 14, 2021 by Vasdamas Anklast.1607

[morsdood.1987]

14 minutes ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

Yeah, that caught my attention as well. But that seems like a REALLY long animation to be a substitute for dodging.

 

We'll find out at the end of the week, I guess.

 

Archemorus and Viktor is definitely lowering the bar on what it takes to be a Legend, though, even when combined.

Atleast its not Togo

[Aeolus.3615]

1 hour ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

Yeah, that caught my attention as well. But that seems like a REALLY long animation to be a substitute for dodging.

()snip.

 

 

EoD = End of Dodges!

[ChronoPinoyX.7923]

1 hour ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

Archemorus and Viktor is definitely lowering the bar on what it takes to be a Legend, though, even when combined.

People lowered that bar when they asked for Togo

[Telgum.6071]

1 hour ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

Archemorus and Viktor is definitely lowering the bar on what it takes to be a Legend, though, even when combined.

Why?

[Knighthonor.4061]

my issue is if these legends are mandatory,  we need some alternative customization mechanics.  Its bad enough having skills picked for us for 3-4 years. 

[Silesium.5623]

I put my 2 cents here to. I see they use old animation of ripper with is big no no for me that shows that rev is push again on side also I see on vid that he blocking with gs I HOPE its not stationary like shild or I lose my s***. Well beta is soon we see in a wash. Hope if they make excuse elit like last time all rev mains join in fight to improve it.

[Kreed.2768]

2 minutes ago, Silesium.5623 said:

I put my 2 cents here to. I see they use old animation of ripper with is big no no for me that shows that rev is push again on side also I see on vid that he blocking with gs I HOPE its not stationary like shild or I lose my s***. Well beta is soon we see in a wash. Hope if they make excuse elit like last time all rev mains join in fight to improve it.

You're saying that as if none of the other elite specs have animations that are re-used and retooled from other classes and older specs. 

[Silesium.5623]

1 minute ago, Kreed.2768 said:

You're saying that as if none of the other elite specs have animations that are re-used and retooled from other classes and older specs. 

Its funy u say that as rev sword 3 and soulbeast pet f2 are some skill but rev is clonky and bugy and soulbest is op

[Exile.8160]

5 hours ago, Silesium.5623 said:

I put my 2 cents here to. I see they use old animation of ripper with is big no no for me that shows that rev is push again on side also I see on vid that he blocking with gs I HOPE its not stationary like shild or I lose my s***. Well beta is soon we see in a wash. Hope if they make excuse elit like last time all rev mains join in fight to improve it.

 

So far all elite spec has had animation re used from other classes...

Edited September 14, 2021 by Exile.8160

[Gazrul.3086]

While I am hoping they'll change the animations to make them more unique before release, it's not a big deal for me personally. WoW classes also share many animations, and that game has far bigger budget than GW2. 

[Silesium.5623]

1 minute ago, Exile.8160 said:

 

So far all elite spec has had animation re used from other classes... honestly it make it look like the new expac is no more than a quick cash grab. From our currect perspective that is they could be holding out on other thing.

Virtuo all new flashy animation and skills?

[draxynnic.3719]

1 hour ago, Telgum.6071 said:

Why?

Because their only known achievement is defeating Shiro. The first time. After Vizu gave them an opening.

 

Sure, there was probably more they did to earn the title of Champion, but there's probably at least one of those each generation.

 

This raises a lot of 'why not...?' questions, with Turai Ossa being at the top of the list. Not to mention pretty much every boss with unique mechanics in GW1. If we can have two legends that both come out of Shiro's story (Shiro himself and this pair), why not Varesh? The Fury? Khilbron? Previously I'd have ruled them out because they were part of Nightfall (represented by Mallyx) or the Flameseeker Cycle (represented by Glint), but now we've got two legends coming out of the Jade Wind, all bets are off.

 

When I say it's lowering the bar, I'm not saying it's going to be a bad elite specialisation, but that it means that the requirement for what it takes to be a legend has been substantially lowered. For all the flack that Kalla received, Viktor and Archemorus make her look like Glint.

[RabbitUp.8294]

2 hours ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

Yeah, that caught my attention as well. But that seems like a REALLY long animation to be a substitute for dodging.

 

We'll find out at the end of the week, I guess.

 

Archemorus and Viktor is definitely lowering the bar on what it takes to be a Legend, though, even when combined.

 

Maybe rev only has one dodge like Mirage, but it takes 100 endurance? So it's like a mega dodge.

 

Honestly, the only reason I'm partially ok with Arch/V is because this looks like a power spec and I'm hoping for some banter if you pick Shiro with them. Also, it can't be worse than Kalla. 

 

50 minutes ago, Silesium.5623 said:

Virtuo all new flashy animation and skills?

 

The visuals are new (the same applies to vindicator), but the animations were reused. Heck, the dagger auto is the same old dagger slash animation that all classes have even though it's a ranged attack.

[Telgum.6071]

13 minutes ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

Because their only known achievement is defeating Shiro. The first time. After Vizu gave them an opening.

 

Sure, there was probably more they did to earn the title of Champion, but there's probably at least one of those each generation.

 

This raises a lot of 'why not...?' questions, with Turai Ossa being at the top of the list. Not to mention pretty much every boss with unique mechanics in GW1. If we can have two legends that both come out of Shiro's story (Shiro himself and this pair), why not Varesh? The Fury? Khilbron? Previously I'd have ruled them out because they were part of Nightfall (represented by Mallyx) or the Flameseeker Cycle (represented by Glint), but now we've got two legends coming out of the Jade Wind, all bets are off.

 

When I say it's lowering the bar, I'm not saying it's going to be a bad elite specialisation, but that it means that the requirement for what it takes to be a legend has been substantially lowered. For all the flack that Kalla received, Viktor and Archemorus make her look like Glint.

I guess they wanted to make something different and more unique like dual legends, and considering we are moving to Cantha, those two made way more sense than any of the ones you mentioned.

[ChronoPinoyX.7923]

11 minutes ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

Because their only known achievement is defeating Shiro. The first time. After Vizu gave them an opening.

 

Sure, there was probably more they did to earn the title of Champion, but there's probably at least one of those each generation.

 

This raises a lot of 'why not...?' questions, with Turai Ossa being at the top of the list. Not to mention pretty much every boss with unique mechanics in GW1. If we can have two legends that both come out of Shiro's story (Shiro himself and this pair), why not Varesh? The Fury? Khilbron? Previously I'd have ruled them out because they were part of Nightfall (represented by Mallyx) or the Flameseeker Cycle (represented by Glint), but now we've got two legends coming out of the Jade Wind, all bets are off.

 

When I say it's lowering the bar, I'm not saying it's going to be a bad elite specialisation, but that it means that the requirement for what it takes to be a legend has been substantially lowered. For all the flack that Kalla received, Viktor and Archemorus make her look like Glint.

So you're saying that just because they had an unexplored history past Shiro, they shouldn't be considered Legends? So that means Mallyx shouldn't be a Legend because we only knew it from the Domain of Anguish, or that Ventari, who is the most obscure of all Legends, shouldn't be a Legend because his only real achievement is his Tablet and planting a tree. The only true Legends in this game are Shiro, Jalis and Glint since these three actually had a role to play in Prophecies and Factions. 

Literally the bar for being a Legend was low from the very beginning. If you think Archemorus and Viktor set the bar low, they didn't have to do much since Mallyx and Ventari already set that bar extremely low when they became Legends. They did next to nothing in the grand majority of Tyria's history. Ventari didn't even know anything about what he did since one of his main dialogue is "I did not know that such a small seed could begin such a very large journey...".

 

[RabbitUp.8294]

18 minutes ago, ChronoPinoyX.7923 said:

So you're saying that just because they had an unexplored history past Shiro, they shouldn't be considered Legends? So that means Mallyx shouldn't be a Legend because we only knew it from the Domain of Anguish, or that Ventari, who is the most obscure of all Legends, shouldn't be a Legend because his only real achievement is his Tablet and planting a tree. The only true Legends in this game are Shiro, Jalis and Glint since these three actually had a role to play in Prophecies and Factions. 

Literally the bar for being a Legend was low from the very beginning. If you think Archemorus and Viktor set the bar low, they didn't have to do much since Mallyx and Ventari already set that bar extremely low when they became Legends. They did next to nothing in the grand majority of Tyria's history. Ventari didn't even know anything about what he did since one of his main dialogue is "I did not know that such a small seed could begin such a very large journey...".

 

Revenant is not a hall of fame. Some legends you channel for their power, not their achievements. Mallyx was the second best thing after Abaddon, and it's pretty clear why Abaddon himself was off-limits. Even talking about achievements, spawning a new race influenced by your philosophies is a bigger deal than dying to the final boss. 

The main problem with A&V is that all they are known for (which is the one thing the trailer mentioned, too) is fighting Shiro. It took 3 of them and it wasn't a real victory either. And that would still be fine to an extent, but we already have Shiro. It's a downgrade no matter how you see it. It would be like getting Varesh or Ronan, they are second fiddle to bigger legends.

The only excuse is that lore-wise, Canthan revenants would never channel Shiro and they already revere A&V.

Edited September 14, 2021 by RabbitUp.8294

[GrayHawk.7560]

32 minutes ago, draxynnic.3719 said:

Because their only known achievement is defeating Shiro. The first time. After Vizu gave them an opening.

 

Sure, there was probably more they did to earn the title of Champion, but there's probably at least one of those each generation.

 

This raises a lot of 'why not...?' questions, with Turai Ossa being at the top of the list. Not to mention pretty much every boss with unique mechanics in GW1. If we can have two legends that both come out of Shiro's story (Shiro himself and this pair), why not Varesh? The Fury? Khilbron? Previously I'd have ruled them out because they were part of Nightfall (represented by Mallyx) or the Flameseeker Cycle (represented by Glint), but now we've got two legends coming out of the Jade Wind, all bets are off.

 

When I say it's lowering the bar, I'm not saying it's going to be a bad elite specialisation, but that it means that the requirement for what it takes to be a legend has been substantially lowered. For all the flack that Kalla received, Viktor and Archemorus make her look like Glint.

There are three interesting/justifiable things about channeling them in the context of Canths and EoD in my view -

 

1.  They (together with Vizu) are arguably as responsible as Shiro for causing the Jade Wind or at least as impactful on the original narrative (of course only because they were the catalyst bit still, as you say they must have done something to be revered as champions).

 

2.  Seeking out Viktor's Ashes and Archemorus' Spear were key in fighting Shiro the second time signifying at least some power particularly on a mists/esoteric level which is Revenant appropriate.

 

3.  We don't know the status of the Kurzic and Luxon relations in EoD (or at least I don't, not sure if it has been confirmed somewhere).  Channeling an alliance may be foretelling or at least interesting from a narrative point of view.