X-PAC NEW ELITE SPEC?!

feanor.4605 · September 15, 2018

@Scar.1793 said:
@aimz.6287 said:I agree GS would be a terrible mistake? Whats gonna be good on greatsword… and give us a reason on who you want the legend to be like ? > @"Lonewolf Kai.3682" said:
Voted other cause the next weapon must be GS.
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/12019/poll-weapon-for-the-next-revenant-elite-specialization/p1
@LucianDK.8615 said:We dont need a GS, overdone weapon.

I don’t know but it seems me and quite a good portion of revenant players would like a GS option. Myself and some other made threads with ideas of new specs. Mine was called Vanguard with Prince Rurik as legend. Far from perfect of course but seems people liked the concept.

Besides so many of us have some Twilight taking dust in the bank, waiting for that moment to be used again.

Won’t lie I actually like this idea man!! Love rurik and his dad

Dace.8173 · September 16, 2018

@Milan.9035 said:
@aimz.6287 said:I agree GS would be a terrible mistake? Whats gonna be good on greatsword… and give us a reason on who you want the legend to be like ? > @"Lonewolf Kai.3682" said:
Voted other cause the next weapon must be GS.
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/12019/poll-weapon-for-the-next-revenant-elite-specialization/p1
@LucianDK.8615 said:We dont need a GS, overdone weapon.

Kalla Scorchrazor, weapon greatsword

Skill 1- large arcing swinga that leave a fire trail. Similar in size to holo forge range.

Skill 2- 600 range double slash that always crits.

Skill 3- trow sword at target, land and does damage. Same time you step backwards into a port and appear behind target from another portal.

Skill 4- summon a large portal above the enemy which quickly drops a large sword into the ground doing big aoe damage and stunning everyone in the aoe.

Skill 5 - ground targeted teleport. Has visual of you jumping into a portal and coming out of another portal.

Just some quick ideas i came up with.

He didn't say that you couldn't come up with some abilities. He questioned if they would be good ones. While I would love for the Revenant to have teleport like abilities that we see from something like the Mirage (it is fun porting around on that profession) I do think these abilities come off a bit strong (which supports his "not good" thesis).

@Elric.4713 said:
@ScottBroChill.3254 said:Anything that takes a stronger magical theme. I think a 900 range power weapon is needed, but I'm all down for something that uses magic like sceptar/focus, ranged GS, pistols and rifles. I would prefer it being in a set of two or a two handed weapon because just adding a mainhand and offhand is really lackluster and rev will always be in need of more weapon options if it's core remains untouched for the life of the game.

Considering we're the first class to get a new weapon outside of Elite Specializations I'm still hopeful they'll give us core focus too.

That was different. They were trying to get Revenant on the same level as the other professions when it came to underwater combat. I think Revenant was the only profession that had weapon swap but also did not have an additional underwater weapon. The same cannot be said of standard core weapons as EVERYONE will tell you that they lack enough core weapons. While one could make an argument for say Warrior as already having enough core weapons I can assure you that Engineer, Elementalist, Necromancer, Mesmer, Theif, and Ranger will all make compelling cases for why they also need more core weapons. You open that door once and you won't be able to close it for other professions. It's just a massive headache that likely won't pay off as much. Look at this thread, you can't even get folks to agree on whether or not greatsword should be the next Elite weapon. Good luck with finding a consensus on an additional core weapon.

@Scar.1793 said:
@aimz.6287 said:I agree GS would be a terrible mistake? Whats gonna be good on greatsword… and give us a reason on who you want the legend to be like ? > @"Lonewolf Kai.3682" said:
Voted other cause the next weapon must be GS.
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/12019/poll-weapon-for-the-next-revenant-elite-specialization/p1
@LucianDK.8615 said:We dont need a GS, overdone weapon.

I don’t know but it seems me and quite a good portion of revenant players would like a GS option. Myself and some other made threads with ideas of new specs. Mine was called Vanguard with Prince Rurik as legend. Far from perfect of course but seems people liked the concept.

Besides so many of us have some Twilight taking dust in the bank, waiting for that moment to be used again.

I think it would be more accurate to say that there is a very vocal group who support greatsword. However, I would consider that far far far away from saying that a good portion or Revenant players support the idea. For starters, the forums are not a good gauge of what Revenant player support as it's very structure favors a vocal minority. Secondly, the greatsword discussion threads are typically started by the same subset of people with that same subset having such conversations repeatedly, which is far from showing the support of a good portion. Finally, I see Scepter/Focus come up just as often as I see Greatsword come up. While I am of the opinion that we will never see an Elite get two separate weapons at once (contrary to what folks argue there is no precedent for it) I see that desire crop up just as often as I see greatsword come up. Thus, by your very logic, a good portion of the Revenant players really want a scepter/focus over the greatsword. Thus, I'm not really convinced a good portion of Revenant players support greatsword. I just think greatsword has a consistent group of supporters who bring it up whenever they can. Besides, there are plenty of professions that let you use Twilight if folks really want the weapon to stop collecting dust in their bank.

As for the weapon, I'd like to see, longbow. I really wish Revenant had a bit more long-range support. If we didn't get that then I'd like to see dual daggers that works akin to how Mirage work that allow the Revenant to use the Mists to port around their target, thus making them hard to hit or keep a target lock on. I'm not sure why Revenant doesn't have more abilities that revolve around them stepping through the Mists to launch an attack considering the whole Mists is their weapon theme.

Elric.4713 · September 17, 2018

@Dace.8173 said:That was different. They were trying to get Revenant on the same level as the other professions when it came to underwater combat. I think Revenant was the only profession that had weapon swap but also did not have an additional underwater weapon. The same cannot be said of standard core weapons as EVERYONE will tell you that they lack enough core weapons. While one could make an argument for say Warrior as already having enough core weapons I can assure you that Engineer, Elementalist, Necromancer, Mesmer, Theif, and Ranger will all make compelling cases for why they also need more core weapons. You open that door once and you won't be able to close it for other professions. It's just a massive headache that likely won't pay off as much. Look at this thread, you can't even get folks to agree on whether or not greatsword should be the next Elite weapon. Good luck with finding a consensus on an additional core weapon.

I get that, but those other professions get to pick and choose their utility spells while we're that's locked off for us, so having some more core weapons to play with doesn't sound that unreasonable to me.

Scar.1793 · September 17, 2018

@Dace.8173 said:
@Milan.9035 said:
@aimz.6287 said:I agree GS would be a terrible mistake? Whats gonna be good on greatsword… and give us a reason on who you want the legend to be like ? > @"Lonewolf Kai.3682" said:
Voted other cause the next weapon must be GS.
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/12019/poll-weapon-for-the-next-revenant-elite-specialization/p1
@LucianDK.8615 said:We dont need a GS, overdone weapon.

Kalla Scorchrazor, weapon greatsword

Skill 1- large arcing swinga that leave a fire trail. Similar in size to holo forge range.

Skill 2- 600 range double slash that always crits.

Skill 3- trow sword at target, land and does damage. Same time you step backwards into a port and appear behind target from another portal.

Skill 4- summon a large portal above the enemy which quickly drops a large sword into the ground doing big aoe damage and stunning everyone in the aoe.

Skill 5 - ground targeted teleport. Has visual of you jumping into a portal and coming out of another portal.

Just some quick ideas i came up with.

He didn't say that you couldn't come up with some abilities. He questioned if they would be good ones. While I would love for the Revenant to have teleport like abilities that we see from something like the Mirage (it is fun porting around on that profession) I do think these abilities come off a bit strong (which supports his "not good" thesis).

@Elric.4713 said:
@ScottBroChill.3254 said:Anything that takes a stronger magical theme. I think a 900 range power weapon is needed, but I'm all down for something that uses magic like sceptar/focus, ranged GS, pistols and rifles. I would prefer it being in a set of two or a two handed weapon because just adding a mainhand and offhand is really lackluster and rev will always be in need of more weapon options if it's core remains untouched for the life of the game.

Considering we're the first class to get a new weapon outside of Elite Specializations I'm still hopeful they'll give us core focus too.

That was different. They were trying to get Revenant on the same level as the other professions when it came to underwater combat. I think Revenant was the only profession that had weapon swap but also did not have an additional underwater weapon. The same cannot be said of standard core weapons as EVERYONE will tell you that they lack enough core weapons. While one could make an argument for say Warrior as already having enough core weapons I can assure you that Engineer, Elementalist, Necromancer, Mesmer, Theif, and Ranger will all make compelling cases for why they also need more core weapons. You open that door once and you won't be able to close it for other professions. It's just a massive headache that likely won't pay off as much. Look at this thread, you can't even get folks to agree on whether or not greatsword should be the next Elite weapon. Good luck with finding a consensus on an additional core weapon.

@Scar.1793 said:
@aimz.6287 said:I agree GS would be a terrible mistake? Whats gonna be good on greatsword… and give us a reason on who you want the legend to be like ? > @"Lonewolf Kai.3682" said:
Voted other cause the next weapon must be GS.
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/12019/poll-weapon-for-the-next-revenant-elite-specialization/p1
@LucianDK.8615 said:We dont need a GS, overdone weapon.

I don’t know but it seems me and quite a good portion of revenant players would like a GS option. Myself and some other made threads with ideas of new specs. Mine was called Vanguard with Prince Rurik as legend. Far from perfect of course but seems people liked the concept.

Besides so many of us have some Twilight taking dust in the bank, waiting for that moment to be used again.

I think it would be more accurate to say that there is a very vocal group who support greatsword. However, I would consider that far far far away from saying that a good portion or Revenant players support the idea. For starters, the forums are not a good gauge of what Revenant player support as it's very structure favors a vocal minority. Secondly, the greatsword discussion threads are typically started by the same subset of people with that same subset having such conversations repeatedly, which is far from showing the support of a good portion. Finally, I see Scepter/Focus come up just as often as I see Greatsword come up. While I am of the opinion that we will never see an Elite get two separate weapons at once (contrary to what folks argue there is no precedent for it) I see that desire crop up just as often as I see greatsword come up. Thus, by your very logic, a good portion of the Revenant players really want a scepter/focus over the greatsword. Thus, I'm not really convinced a good portion of Revenant players support greatsword. I just think greatsword has a consistent group of supporters who bring it up whenever they can. Besides, there are plenty of professions that let you use Twilight if folks really want the weapon to stop collecting dust in their bank.

As for the weapon, I'd like to see, longbow. I really wish Revenant had a bit more long-range support. If we didn't get that then I'd like to see dual daggers that works akin to how Mirage work that allow the Revenant to use the Mists to port around their target, thus making them hard to hit or keep a target lock on. I'm not sure why Revenant doesn't have more abilities that revolve around them stepping through the Mists to launch an attack considering the whole Mists is their weapon theme.

I totally get what you’re saying but it works both ways. We’ll never know the truth. Usually we have polls around here and most of the time GS is ahead. Not because you don’t like it but because within each fragment of Rev players participating, they prefer that weapon to be unlocked next.

Dace.8173 · September 17, 2018

@Elric.4713 said:
@Dace.8173 said:That was different. They were trying to get Revenant on the same level as the other professions when it came to underwater combat. I think Revenant was the only profession that had weapon swap but also did not have an additional underwater weapon. The same cannot be said of standard core weapons as EVERYONE will tell you that they lack enough core weapons. While one could make an argument for say Warrior as already having enough core weapons I can assure you that Engineer, Elementalist, Necromancer, Mesmer, Theif, and Ranger will all make compelling cases for why they also need more core weapons. You open that door once and you won't be able to close it for other professions. It's just a massive headache that likely won't pay off as much. Look at this thread, you can't even get folks to agree on whether or not greatsword should be the next Elite weapon. Good luck with finding a consensus on an additional core weapon.

I get that, but those other professions get to pick and choose their utility spells while we're that's locked off for us, so having some more core weapons to play with doesn't sound that unreasonable to me.

It's not unreasonable to you. But I can promise you, everyone will see their desire to have additional weapons as not being unreasonable. Whether or not it is reasonable is a matter of perspective. You really can't counter with "well you get to pick your utilities" since you are actively choosing to play a profession that is designed not to do that. Nevermind the fact that Revenant players themselves would bicker about the weapon that was added and why it wasn't their pet weapon and why the other folks are wrong that the weapon added is a good choice. Folks can't reach an agreement on Elite weapons. What makes you think they would be in agreement over an additional core weapon?

@Scar.1793 said:
@Dace.8173 said:
@Milan.9035 said:
@aimz.6287 said:I agree GS would be a terrible mistake? Whats gonna be good on greatsword… and give us a reason on who you want the legend to be like ? > @"Lonewolf Kai.3682" said:
Voted other cause the next weapon must be GS.
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/12019/poll-weapon-for-the-next-revenant-elite-specialization/p1
@"LucianDK.8615" said:We dont need a GS, overdone weapon.

Kalla Scorchrazor, weapon greatsword

Skill 1- large arcing swinga that leave a fire trail. Similar in size to holo forge range.

Skill 2- 600 range double slash that always crits.

Skill 3- trow sword at target, land and does damage. Same time you step backwards into a port and appear behind target from another portal.

Skill 4- summon a large portal above the enemy which quickly drops a large sword into the ground doing big aoe damage and stunning everyone in the aoe.

Skill 5 - ground targeted teleport. Has visual of you jumping into a portal and coming out of another portal.

Just some quick ideas i came up with.

He didn't say that you couldn't come up with some abilities. He questioned if they would be good ones. While I would love for the Revenant to have teleport like abilities that we see from something like the Mirage (it is fun porting around on that profession) I do think these abilities come off a bit strong (which supports his "not good" thesis).

@Elric.4713 said:
@ScottBroChill.3254 said:Anything that takes a stronger magical theme. I think a 900 range power weapon is needed, but I'm all down for something that uses magic like sceptar/focus, ranged GS, pistols and rifles. I would prefer it being in a set of two or a two handed weapon because just adding a mainhand and offhand is really lackluster and rev will always be in need of more weapon options if it's core remains untouched for the life of the game.

Considering we're the first class to get a new weapon outside of Elite Specializations I'm still hopeful they'll give us core focus too.

That was different. They were trying to get Revenant on the same level as the other professions when it came to underwater combat. I think Revenant was the only profession that had weapon swap but also did not have an additional underwater weapon. The same cannot be said of standard core weapons as EVERYONE will tell you that they lack enough core weapons. While one could make an argument for say Warrior as already having enough core weapons I can assure you that Engineer, Elementalist, Necromancer, Mesmer, Theif, and Ranger will all make compelling cases for why they also need more core weapons. You open that door once and you won't be able to close it for other professions. It's just a massive headache that likely won't pay off as much. Look at this thread, you can't even get folks to agree on whether or not greatsword should be the next Elite weapon. Good luck with finding a consensus on an additional core weapon.

@Scar.1793 said:
@aimz.6287 said:I agree GS would be a terrible mistake? Whats gonna be good on greatsword… and give us a reason on who you want the legend to be like ? > @"Lonewolf Kai.3682" said:
Voted other cause the next weapon must be GS.
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/12019/poll-weapon-for-the-next-revenant-elite-specialization/p1
@"LucianDK.8615" said:We dont need a GS, overdone weapon.

I don’t know but it seems me and quite a good portion of revenant players would like a GS option. Myself and some other made threads with ideas of new specs. Mine was called Vanguard with Prince Rurik as legend. Far from perfect of course but seems people liked the concept.

Besides so many of us have some Twilight taking dust in the bank, waiting for that moment to be used again.

I think it would be more accurate to say that there is a very vocal group who support greatsword. However, I would consider that far far far away from saying that a good portion or Revenant players support the idea. For starters, the forums are not a good gauge of what Revenant player support as it's very structure favors a vocal minority. Secondly, the greatsword discussion threads are typically started by the same subset of people with that same subset having such conversations repeatedly, which is far from showing the support of a good portion. Finally, I see Scepter/Focus come up just as often as I see Greatsword come up. While I am of the opinion that we will never see an Elite get two separate weapons at once (contrary to what folks argue there is no precedent for it) I see that desire crop up just as often as I see greatsword come up. Thus, by your very logic, a good portion of the Revenant players really want a scepter/focus over the greatsword. Thus, I'm not really convinced a good portion of Revenant players support greatsword. I just think greatsword has a consistent group of supporters who bring it up whenever they can. Besides, there are plenty of professions that let you use Twilight if folks really want the weapon to stop collecting dust in their bank.

As for the weapon, I'd like to see, longbow. I really wish Revenant had a bit more long-range support. If we didn't get that then I'd like to see dual daggers that works akin to how Mirage work that allow the Revenant to use the Mists to port around their target, thus making them hard to hit or keep a target lock on. I'm not sure why Revenant doesn't have more abilities that revolve around them stepping through the Mists to launch an attack considering the whole Mists is their weapon theme.

I totally get what you’re saying but it works both ways. We’ll never know the truth. Usually we have polls around here and most of the time GS is ahead. Not because you don’t like it but because within each fragment of Rev players participating, they prefer that weapon to be unlocked next.

Actually, no it doesn't work both ways. I'm not making an affirmative claim about the desires of a group of people I have yet to actually measure. I made the claim that you cannot say that a good portion of the players desires something based mostly on the fact that the methods used thus far are horrible measures of player desire. There isn't a "working both ways" about a statement like that. The polls you bring up aren't good polls. As someone who has designed, and is currently teaching, survey research the polls you are discussing do not meet the requirements for being representative of a population. This isn't about what I may or may not like. The forums are an extremely horrible method of gauging what Revenant players (or any players) really want. What can be said is that a vocal group of players on the forums supports it. It cannot be said that a good portion of Revenant players support it. None of the polls given meet the standards for a statement like that. While we may never know the truth of the matter we know enough to know that you cannot say a good portion of Revenant players support it simply by understanding how opinions like that are actually measured and knowing that forum polls are not representative polls. They are self-selecting polls that measure the desires of a specific subset of players who are arguably smaller than the total Revenant player base.

There is nothing wrong with a vocal group on the forums supporting something. But let's not twist it into being something it's not because that just undermines your position. You're not going to win people over to your side with gross exaggerations.

Scar.1793 · September 17, 2018

@Dace.8173 said:
@Elric.4713 said:
@Dace.8173 said:That was different. They were trying to get Revenant on the same level as the other professions when it came to underwater combat. I think Revenant was the only profession that had weapon swap but also did not have an additional underwater weapon. The same cannot be said of standard core weapons as EVERYONE will tell you that they lack enough core weapons. While one could make an argument for say Warrior as already having enough core weapons I can assure you that Engineer, Elementalist, Necromancer, Mesmer, Theif, and Ranger will all make compelling cases for why they also need more core weapons. You open that door once and you won't be able to close it for other professions. It's just a massive headache that likely won't pay off as much. Look at this thread, you can't even get folks to agree on whether or not greatsword should be the next Elite weapon. Good luck with finding a consensus on an additional core weapon.

I get that, but those other professions get to pick and choose their utility spells while we're that's locked off for us, so having some more core weapons to play with doesn't sound that unreasonable to me.

It's not unreasonable to you. But I can promise you, everyone will see their desire to have additional weapons as not being unreasonable. Whether or not it is reasonable is a matter of perspective. You really can't counter with "well you get to pick your utilities" since you are actively choosing to play a profession that is designed not to do that. Nevermind the fact that Revenant players themselves would bicker about the weapon that was added and why it wasn't their pet weapon and why the other folks are wrong that the weapon added is a good choice. Folks can't reach an agreement on Elite weapons. What makes you think they would be in agreement over an additional core weapon?

@Scar.1793 said:
@Dace.8173 said:
@Milan.9035 said:
@aimz.6287 said:I agree GS would be a terrible mistake? Whats gonna be good on greatsword… and give us a reason on who you want the legend to be like ? > @"Lonewolf Kai.3682" said:
Voted other cause the next weapon must be GS.
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/12019/poll-weapon-for-the-next-revenant-elite-specialization/p1
@"LucianDK.8615" said:We dont need a GS, overdone weapon.

Kalla Scorchrazor, weapon greatsword

Skill 1- large arcing swinga that leave a fire trail. Similar in size to holo forge range.

Skill 2- 600 range double slash that always crits.

Skill 3- trow sword at target, land and does damage. Same time you step backwards into a port and appear behind target from another portal.

Skill 4- summon a large portal above the enemy which quickly drops a large sword into the ground doing big aoe damage and stunning everyone in the aoe.

Skill 5 - ground targeted teleport. Has visual of you jumping into a portal and coming out of another portal.

Just some quick ideas i came up with.

He didn't say that you couldn't come up with some abilities. He questioned if they would be good ones. While I would love for the Revenant to have teleport like abilities that we see from something like the Mirage (it is fun porting around on that profession) I do think these abilities come off a bit strong (which supports his "not good" thesis).

@Elric.4713 said:
@ScottBroChill.3254 said:Anything that takes a stronger magical theme. I think a 900 range power weapon is needed, but I'm all down for something that uses magic like sceptar/focus, ranged GS, pistols and rifles. I would prefer it being in a set of two or a two handed weapon because just adding a mainhand and offhand is really lackluster and rev will always be in need of more weapon options if it's core remains untouched for the life of the game.

Considering we're the first class to get a new weapon outside of Elite Specializations I'm still hopeful they'll give us core focus too.

That was different. They were trying to get Revenant on the same level as the other professions when it came to underwater combat. I think Revenant was the only profession that had weapon swap but also did not have an additional underwater weapon. The same cannot be said of standard core weapons as EVERYONE will tell you that they lack enough core weapons. While one could make an argument for say Warrior as already having enough core weapons I can assure you that Engineer, Elementalist, Necromancer, Mesmer, Theif, and Ranger will all make compelling cases for why they also need more core weapons. You open that door once and you won't be able to close it for other professions. It's just a massive headache that likely won't pay off as much. Look at this thread, you can't even get folks to agree on whether or not greatsword should be the next Elite weapon. Good luck with finding a consensus on an additional core weapon.

@Scar.1793 said:
@aimz.6287 said:I agree GS would be a terrible mistake? Whats gonna be good on greatsword… and give us a reason on who you want the legend to be like ? > @"Lonewolf Kai.3682" said:
Voted other cause the next weapon must be GS.
https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/12019/poll-weapon-for-the-next-revenant-elite-specialization/p1
@"LucianDK.8615" said:We dont need a GS, overdone weapon.

I don’t know but it seems me and quite a good portion of revenant players would like a GS option. Myself and some other made threads with ideas of new specs. Mine was called Vanguard with Prince Rurik as legend. Far from perfect of course but seems people liked the concept.

Besides so many of us have some Twilight taking dust in the bank, waiting for that moment to be used again.

I think it would be more accurate to say that there is a very vocal group who support greatsword. However, I would consider that far far far away from saying that a good portion or Revenant players support the idea. For starters, the forums are not a good gauge of what Revenant player support as it's very structure favors a vocal minority. Secondly, the greatsword discussion threads are typically started by the same subset of people with that same subset having such conversations repeatedly, which is far from showing the support of a good portion. Finally, I see Scepter/Focus come up just as often as I see Greatsword come up. While I am of the opinion that we will never see an Elite get two separate weapons at once (contrary to what folks argue there is no precedent for it) I see that desire crop up just as often as I see greatsword come up. Thus, by your very logic, a good portion of the Revenant players really want a scepter/focus over the greatsword. Thus, I'm not really convinced a good portion of Revenant players support greatsword. I just think greatsword has a consistent group of supporters who bring it up whenever they can. Besides, there are plenty of professions that let you use Twilight if folks really want the weapon to stop collecting dust in their bank.

As for the weapon, I'd like to see, longbow. I really wish Revenant had a bit more long-range support. If we didn't get that then I'd like to see dual daggers that works akin to how Mirage work that allow the Revenant to use the Mists to port around their target, thus making them hard to hit or keep a target lock on. I'm not sure why Revenant doesn't have more abilities that revolve around them stepping through the Mists to launch an attack considering the whole Mists is their weapon theme.

I totally get what you’re saying but it works both ways. We’ll never know the truth. Usually we have polls around here and most of the time GS is ahead. Not because you don’t like it but because within each fragment of Rev players participating, they prefer that weapon to be unlocked next.

Actually, no it doesn't work both ways. I'm not making an affirmative claim about the desires of a group of people I have yet to actually measure. I made the claim that you cannot say that a good portion of the players desires something based mostly on the fact that the methods used thus far are horrible measures of player desire. There isn't a "working both ways" about a statement like that. The polls you bring up aren't good polls. As someone who has designed, and is currently teaching, survey research the polls you are discussing do not meet the requirements for being representative of a population. This isn't about what I may or may not like. The forums are an extremely horrible method of gauging what Revenant players (or any players) really want. What can be said is that a vocal group of players on the forums supports it. It cannot be said that a good portion of Revenant players support it. None of the polls given meet the standards for a statement like that. While we may never know the truth of the matter we know enough to know that you cannot say a good portion of Revenant players support it simply by understanding how opinions like that are actually measured and knowing that forum polls are not representative polls. They are self-selecting polls that measure the desires of a specific subset of players who are arguably smaller than the total Revenant player base.

There is nothing wrong with a vocal group on the forums supporting something. But let's not twist it into being something it's not because that just undermines your position. You're not going to win people over to your side with gross exaggerations.

You have yet to explain with facts why it cannot work only for one side.A statement like « polls in forums cannot be trusted therefore the majority of people do not want GS » is kinda messed up ( I get it that it’s not what you claim). But what fact(s) do you have to say that it isn’t what people want ? This is why I’m saying it can work both ways.

We have polls with hundreds of people, hence a fraction of the Rev community, with GS always ending first. And can be representative of what people want. It’s what a lot of countries do for presidential elections and quite often, if not made by biased medias, they tend to be correct.

Besides saying forums are for a vocal minority, what can you present as a fact to say that it may be not what people desire ? Again, this is why I’m saying it can work both ways since there are no significant numbers with a yes or no. But I’m inclined to believe a lot of revenants would like to use a GS, even when asked in-game the majority I met were all for it. Sure with no big stats we cannot really know, but you cannot know too for the people who are not supporting GS as next Elite spec weapon.

Lonewolf Kai.3682 · September 17, 2018

@Scar.1793 said:
@Dace.8173 said:
@Elric.4713 said:
@Dace.8173 said:That was different. They were trying to get Revenant on the same level as the other professions when it came to underwater combat. I think Revenant was the only profession that had weapon swap but also did not have an additional underwater weapon. The same cannot be said of standard core weapons as EVERYONE will tell you that they lack enough core weapons. While one could make an argument for say Warrior as already having enough core weapons I can assure you that Engineer, Elementalist, Necromancer, Mesmer, Theif, and Ranger will all make compelling cases for why they also need more core weapons. You open that door once and you won't be able to close it for other professions. It's just a massive headache that likely won't pay off as much. Look at this thread, you can't even get folks to agree on whether or not greatsword should be the next Elite weapon. Good luck with finding a consensus on an additional core weapon.