Scrapper

mortrialus.3062 · March 8, 2019

@NaiveBayes.2587 said:
@mortrialus.3062 said:
@"Bort.8647" said:How to fix scrapper
make bulwark gyro give barrier depending on how many allies are present. So when scrappers are by themselves, they get around 1/5 the barrier.
make sneak gyro smoke field visible to enemies, and if allies leave the combo field they are revealed. Also increase the cooldown to at least 60 seconds (which is the cooldown of shadow refuge)

Purge Gyro needs a better tell. The actual gyro sprite is impossible to see in the heat of battle with tons of effects everywhere. It needs a display on the scrappers status bar like Soulbeast and warrior stances so you can see "Oh I shouldn't attack right now."

I like these sets of suggested changes, I'd also reduce the duration of superspeed from shocking speed

OR

shave a bit off the base heal on rapid regeneration.

I was excited to play scrapper again because I don't really like prot Holo but I do want a bunker option as an engineer but atm scrapper feels a bit dirty to play and when I queue as an engineer I always face at least 1 scrapper but mostly 2 + another bunker build (not rare to see a whole team of bunkers) on enemy team so they can pretty much lock down all 3 caps since no one has a solution to them yet or our team rarely has a comp that can deal with so many bunkers.

It feels like I'm gimping my team by queueing as an engineer but not playing a bunker scrapper so I'll probably give the rest of the season a miss.

All the Gyros need a better tell the more I've thought about it. Like a Turret sized gyro hovering next to the Scrappy instead of the tiny, tiny impossible to see sprites in addition to the active effects on the bar like Soulbeast Stances. You know it's bad when I'm pointing to Boonbeast as a more fair counterable bunker.

Should I use poison (Lol like that would stay on) when the scrapper uses Medic Gyro or maybe wait to use my big damaging cooldown skills until after it has finished healing him? I don't know I'd never be able to see it and react. Should I avoid using damaging conditions because purge gyro is up? Again, I'll never be able to see it. Shredder, Blast, and Bulwark Gyros are the only ones that have good tells and Bulwark's tell is only good because it's hard to miss the 10k barrier stacked onto the scrapper.

And worst of all is Sneak Gyro. Previously the stealth was very high but it was always balanced by the fact that you can see the gyro and kill and CC it as well as it giving you an okay idea of where they might be. Now you can't even see the field. And it's also absurdly overtuned. As strong as it is deserves something like a four minute cooldown. It's 18 seconds of straight stealth on a 45 second cooldown. That's damn near 50% stealth up time for a skill with less than 1 second activation. And you can get even more if you leap and blast in the field. Just compare that to Mass Invisibility, a 2 second channel on a 90 second cooldown for a whopping 5 seconds of stealth. Even the toolbelt Toss Elixir S skill is a more usable Mass Invisibility on 1/3 of the cooldown with less than half the cast time. Sneak Gryo combined with Scrapper being indestructible and it's stop tier res potential makes it as bad as season 1 Chronobunker in terms of grinding games to a halt and preventing any one of any team dying. Good luck stopping a scrapper from rezing a member of their team no matter how dire.

Megametzler.5729 · March 8, 2019

@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Megametzler.5729 said:
@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Solori.6025 said:
@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Solori.6025 said:This is great. Watching people that complained about mirage and spellbreaker defend an obviously strong spec. Using the same excuses they were really quick to dismiss.This is a good day and fully shows off the utter hypocrisy of peoples views on balance when the class they play becomes the hated one.

Except the only thing scrapper has going for it is the sustain. :tongue:

The other thing is we've literally had three (read: three) days with the scrapper changes. If there's a counter build or a counter meta to it... it's going to take at least a week to come out. The impatience is palpable.

Ahhh yes. Finally someone using the " wait and see" excuse.

Three days. I'm not sure what part of that is difficult to comprehend.

Yes, the meta has shifted and old builds are not as viable any more. It's going to take some time for a new meta to coalesce.

I kind of agree, it is too early to fully determine whether (or how much) scrapper is OP. However, there are many hints of it becoming meta - and it seems to have the potential of becoming oppressive, but we will see.

What I wanted to add though is: It's not just number tweaks. The long lasting fields are insane, the superspeed uptime has been increased significantly with the changes to Shocking speed. And the power of an instant invisible basically perma-stealth is crazy. You can just fake-cast it in a fight and people run sides fearing you will pop out anywhere accross the map. The new Sneak Gyro is significantly stronger than the old one - which would be different if you saw the pulsing field (and reduced the stealth duration indeed).

So: Let's wait and see if it will be strong, meta or OP. But some number tweaks should happen very very quickly (sneak gyro, barrier amount, gyro durations maybe) int ehe next few weeks

if needed

.

Not denying that it may need tuning. Sneak gyro and bulwark gyro changed the most significantly, and it's likely those two gyros will need tweaking.

The problem is people are ridiculously quick to hop on the nerf bandwagon, despite scrapper being largely irrelevant ever since PoF launched (1.5 years). It has really limited use in PvE (and always has since HoT), it's been support in WvW, and was just insignificant in PvP. So everyone who's screaming nerf and comparing it to chronobunker needs to take a moment to evaluate why they're screaming so hard. Is it because the sustain was buffed? Is it because gyros were buffed? Or do they just not like having to deal with something they haven't noticed for a while?

I agree that chronobunker felt significantly worse so far. Scrapper has huge sustain and even team utility, but it lacks damage. And there are builds that can shut them down. I have been messing aroung with full zerker chrono and I can win 1on1s because he simply can't pressure me enough before I burst him. With less condi mirages and core guards around, this might be my choice when there are no enemy thieves.

Let's wait a week and test stuff. Then we can make proper suggestions.

rng.1024 · March 8, 2019

@NaiveBayes.2587 said:
@mortrialus.3062 said:
@"Bort.8647" said:How to fix scrapper
make bulwark gyro give barrier depending on how many allies are present. So when scrappers are by themselves, they get around 1/5 the barrier.
make sneak gyro smoke field visible to enemies, and if allies leave the combo field they are revealed. Also increase the cooldown to at least 60 seconds (which is the cooldown of shadow refuge)

Purge Gyro needs a better tell. The actual gyro sprite is impossible to see in the heat of battle with tons of effects everywhere. It needs a display on the scrappers status bar like Soulbeast and warrior stances so you can see "Oh I shouldn't attack right now."

I like these sets of suggested changes, I'd also reduce the duration of superspeed from shocking speed

OR

shave a bit off the base heal on rapid regeneration.

I was excited to play scrapper again because I don't really like prot Holo but I do want a bunker option as an engineer but atm scrapper feels a bit dirty to play and when I queue as an engineer I always face at least 1 scrapper but mostly 2 + another bunker build (not rare to see a whole team of bunkers) on enemy team so they can pretty much lock down all 3 caps since no one has a solution to them yet or our team rarely has a comp that can deal with so many bunkers.

It feels like I'm gimping my team by queueing as an engineer but not playing a bunker scrapper so I'll probably give the rest of the season a miss.

Yeah making the traited superspeed 3 seconds and the rapid regen value for superspeed to be 2× that of swiftness would go a long way (even let them stack as 1 of the effects can be ripped/corrupted).

Then if we remove half of the base barrier values (since scrapper has a minor trait that increases them)
Give funtion gyro a UI icon like Signet of Mercy when off cooldown, share that cooldown for both ressing and stomping meaning choices has to be made
Adjust Sneak Gyro to pulse 5 times instead of 6, for 2 seconds instead of 3 seconds each pulse, the stealth confined to the radius of the field (plus an added combo finisher radius if you blast near the edge) and add a priority blast at the end like Blast Gyro does now. That's 13 seconds of stealth without any additional blasts, on a 45 sec cooldown.
While we're at it make Blast Gyro not a prioritized blast, so it can be better utilized with the other gyro fields, and instead add 1 extra might to each pulse.
Change Adaptive Armor to lengthen barrier uptime by 2 seconds instead, and remove the passive barrier gain to make up for the loss of sustain these changes would make. Keep the -20% condition damage.
Remove the waterfield on heal gyro's tool belt skill and just let it pulse PbAoE protection with an interruptable channel We can already see when kits are being used, this way you only have to look at which combo field is present to see which gyro is up.
Make Hammer 4 instead give a single packet of ~3k barrier only if it blocks an attack, since barrier sources would be reduced

This would make scrapper a whole lot more enjoyable to fight, and it would still be in a good place when built for it.

mortrialus.3062 · March 8, 2019

@Megametzler.5729 said:
@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Megametzler.5729 said:
@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Solori.6025 said:
@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Solori.6025 said:This is great. Watching people that complained about mirage and spellbreaker defend an obviously strong spec. Using the same excuses they were really quick to dismiss.This is a good day and fully shows off the utter hypocrisy of peoples views on balance when the class they play becomes the hated one.

Except the only thing scrapper has going for it is the sustain. :tongue:

The other thing is we've literally had three (read: three) days with the scrapper changes. If there's a counter build or a counter meta to it... it's going to take at least a week to come out. The impatience is palpable.

Ahhh yes. Finally someone using the " wait and see" excuse.

Three days. I'm not sure what part of that is difficult to comprehend.

Yes, the meta has shifted and old builds are not as viable any more. It's going to take some time for a new meta to coalesce.

I kind of agree, it is too early to fully determine whether (or how much) scrapper is OP. However, there are many hints of it becoming meta - and it seems to have the potential of becoming oppressive, but we will see.

What I wanted to add though is: It's not just number tweaks. The long lasting fields are insane, the superspeed uptime has been increased significantly with the changes to Shocking speed. And the power of an instant invisible basically perma-stealth is crazy. You can just fake-cast it in a fight and people run sides fearing you will pop out anywhere accross the map. The new Sneak Gyro is significantly stronger than the old one - which would be different if you saw the pulsing field (and reduced the stealth duration indeed).

So: Let's wait and see if it will be strong, meta or OP. But some number tweaks should happen very very quickly (sneak gyro, barrier amount, gyro durations maybe) int ehe next few weeks

if needed

.

Not denying that it may need tuning. Sneak gyro and bulwark gyro changed the most significantly, and it's likely those two gyros will need tweaking.

The problem is people are ridiculously quick to hop on the nerf bandwagon, despite scrapper being largely irrelevant ever since PoF launched (1.5 years). It has really limited use in PvE (and always has since HoT), it's been support in WvW, and was just insignificant in PvP. So everyone who's screaming nerf and comparing it to chronobunker needs to take a moment to evaluate why they're screaming so hard. Is it because the sustain was buffed? Is it because gyros were buffed? Or do they just not like having to deal with something they haven't noticed for a while?

I agree that chronobunker felt significantly worse so far. Scrapper has huge sustain and even team utility, but it lacks damage. And there are builds that can shut them down. I have been messing aroung with full zerker chrono and I can win 1on1s because he simply can't pressure me enough before I burst him. With less condi mirages and core guards around, this might be my choice when there are no enemy thieves.

Let's wait a week and test stuff. Then we can make proper suggestions.

@Megametzler.5729 said:

@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Megametzler.5729 said:
@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Solori.6025 said:
@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Solori.6025 said:This is great. Watching people that complained about mirage and spellbreaker defend an obviously strong spec. Using the same excuses they were really quick to dismiss.This is a good day and fully shows off the utter hypocrisy of peoples views on balance when the class they play becomes the hated one.

Except the only thing scrapper has going for it is the sustain. :tongue:

The other thing is we've literally had three (read: three) days with the scrapper changes. If there's a counter build or a counter meta to it... it's going to take at least a week to come out. The impatience is palpable.

Ahhh yes. Finally someone using the " wait and see" excuse.

Three days. I'm not sure what part of that is difficult to comprehend.

Yes, the meta has shifted and old builds are not as viable any more. It's going to take some time for a new meta to coalesce.

I kind of agree, it is too early to fully determine whether (or how much) scrapper is OP. However, there are many hints of it becoming meta - and it seems to have the potential of becoming oppressive, but we will see.

What I wanted to add though is: It's not just number tweaks. The long lasting fields are insane, the superspeed uptime has been increased significantly with the changes to Shocking speed. And the power of an instant invisible basically perma-stealth is crazy. You can just fake-cast it in a fight and people run sides fearing you will pop out anywhere accross the map. The new Sneak Gyro is significantly stronger than the old one - which would be different if you saw the pulsing field (and reduced the stealth duration indeed).

So: Let's wait and see if it will be strong, meta or OP. But some number tweaks should happen very very quickly (sneak gyro, barrier amount, gyro durations maybe) int ehe next few weeks

if needed

.

Not denying that it may need tuning. Sneak gyro and bulwark gyro changed the most significantly, and it's likely those two gyros will need tweaking.

The problem is people are ridiculously quick to hop on the nerf bandwagon, despite scrapper being largely irrelevant ever since PoF launched (1.5 years). It has really limited use in PvE (and always has since HoT), it's been support in WvW, and was just insignificant in PvP. So everyone who's screaming nerf and comparing it to chronobunker needs to take a moment to evaluate why they're screaming so hard. Is it because the sustain was buffed? Is it because gyros were buffed? Or do they just not like having to deal with something they haven't noticed for a while?

I agree that chronobunker felt significantly worse so far. Scrapper has huge sustain and even team utility, but it lacks damage. And there are builds that can shut them down. I have been messing aroung with full zerker chrono and I can win 1on1s because he simply can't pressure me enough before I burst him. With less condi mirages and core guards around, this might be my choice when there are no enemy thieves.

Let's wait a week and test stuff. Then we can make proper suggestions.

The season ends in a week.

Megametzler.5729 · March 8, 2019

@mortrialus.3062 said:
@Megametzler.5729 said:
@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Megametzler.5729 said:
@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Solori.6025 said:
@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Solori.6025 said:This is great. Watching people that complained about mirage and spellbreaker defend an obviously strong spec. Using the same excuses they were really quick to dismiss.This is a good day and fully shows off the utter hypocrisy of peoples views on balance when the class they play becomes the hated one.

Except the only thing scrapper has going for it is the sustain. :tongue:

The other thing is we've literally had three (read: three) days with the scrapper changes. If there's a counter build or a counter meta to it... it's going to take at least a week to come out. The impatience is palpable.

Ahhh yes. Finally someone using the " wait and see" excuse.

Three days. I'm not sure what part of that is difficult to comprehend.

Yes, the meta has shifted and old builds are not as viable any more. It's going to take some time for a new meta to coalesce.

I kind of agree, it is too early to fully determine whether (or how much) scrapper is OP. However, there are many hints of it becoming meta - and it seems to have the potential of becoming oppressive, but we will see.

What I wanted to add though is: It's not just number tweaks. The long lasting fields are insane, the superspeed uptime has been increased significantly with the changes to Shocking speed. And the power of an instant invisible basically perma-stealth is crazy. You can just fake-cast it in a fight and people run sides fearing you will pop out anywhere accross the map. The new Sneak Gyro is significantly stronger than the old one - which would be different if you saw the pulsing field (and reduced the stealth duration indeed).

So: Let's wait and see if it will be strong, meta or OP. But some number tweaks should happen very very quickly (sneak gyro, barrier amount, gyro durations maybe) int ehe next few weeks

if needed

.

Not denying that it may need tuning. Sneak gyro and bulwark gyro changed the most significantly, and it's likely those two gyros will need tweaking.

The problem is people are ridiculously quick to hop on the nerf bandwagon, despite scrapper being largely irrelevant ever since PoF launched (1.5 years). It has really limited use in PvE (and always has since HoT), it's been support in WvW, and was just insignificant in PvP. So everyone who's screaming nerf and comparing it to chronobunker needs to take a moment to evaluate why they're screaming so hard. Is it because the sustain was buffed? Is it because gyros were buffed? Or do they just not like having to deal with something they haven't noticed for a while?

I agree that chronobunker felt significantly worse so far. Scrapper has huge sustain and even team utility, but it lacks damage. And there are builds that can shut them down. I have been messing aroung with full zerker chrono and I can win 1on1s because he simply can't pressure me enough before I burst him. With less condi mirages and core guards around, this might be my choice when there are no enemy thieves.

Let's wait a week and test stuff. Then we can make proper suggestions.

@Megametzler.5729 said:

@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Megametzler.5729 said:
@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Solori.6025 said:
@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Solori.6025 said:This is great. Watching people that complained about mirage and spellbreaker defend an obviously strong spec. Using the same excuses they were really quick to dismiss.This is a good day and fully shows off the utter hypocrisy of peoples views on balance when the class they play becomes the hated one.

Except the only thing scrapper has going for it is the sustain. :tongue:

The other thing is we've literally had three (read: three) days with the scrapper changes. If there's a counter build or a counter meta to it... it's going to take at least a week to come out. The impatience is palpable.

Ahhh yes. Finally someone using the " wait and see" excuse.

Three days. I'm not sure what part of that is difficult to comprehend.

Yes, the meta has shifted and old builds are not as viable any more. It's going to take some time for a new meta to coalesce.

I kind of agree, it is too early to fully determine whether (or how much) scrapper is OP. However, there are many hints of it becoming meta - and it seems to have the potential of becoming oppressive, but we will see.

What I wanted to add though is: It's not just number tweaks. The long lasting fields are insane, the superspeed uptime has been increased significantly with the changes to Shocking speed. And the power of an instant invisible basically perma-stealth is crazy. You can just fake-cast it in a fight and people run sides fearing you will pop out anywhere accross the map. The new Sneak Gyro is significantly stronger than the old one - which would be different if you saw the pulsing field (and reduced the stealth duration indeed).

So: Let's wait and see if it will be strong, meta or OP. But some number tweaks should happen very very quickly (sneak gyro, barrier amount, gyro durations maybe) int ehe next few weeks

if needed

.

Not denying that it may need tuning. Sneak gyro and bulwark gyro changed the most significantly, and it's likely those two gyros will need tweaking.

The problem is people are ridiculously quick to hop on the nerf bandwagon, despite scrapper being largely irrelevant ever since PoF launched (1.5 years). It has really limited use in PvE (and always has since HoT), it's been support in WvW, and was just insignificant in PvP. So everyone who's screaming nerf and comparing it to chronobunker needs to take a moment to evaluate why they're screaming so hard. Is it because the sustain was buffed? Is it because gyros were buffed? Or do they just not like having to deal with something they haven't noticed for a while?

I agree that chronobunker felt significantly worse so far. Scrapper has huge sustain and even team utility, but it lacks damage. And there are builds that can shut them down. I have been messing aroung with full zerker chrono and I can win 1on1s because he simply can't pressure me enough before I burst him. With less condi mirages and core guards around, this might be my choice when there are no enemy thieves.

Let's wait a week and test stuff. Then we can make proper suggestions.

The season ends in a week.

But season's a joke anyways, isn't it? Not only mid-season patches but mixing soloQ and duoQ, general balancing issues, the ominous wintrading... :tongue:

Psycoprophet.8107 · March 8, 2019

Only way to cease nerf scrapper,scrapper op threads!Revert scrapper to its prior state thru nerfs and return it to being the least played spec,done.Only way community won’t complain lol

mortrialus.3062 · March 8, 2019

@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Only way to cease nerf scrapper,scrapper op threads!There's been one thread.
Revert scrapper to its prior state thru nerfs and return it to being the least played spec,done.Only way community won’t complain lol

Plenty of specs saw less use in SPvP than scrapper. Renegade, Berserker, Tempest, Druid. Scrapper gyros had functionality issues but at least 50% of the reason Scrapper saw low play is that Inventions and Alchemy have so much absurd synergy and sustain that Holosmith could have all the sustain it needed to side node competatively with Soulbeast, Mirage, Weaver and Spellbreaker while still having immense built in high damage due to Photon Forge. With defensively power crept Scrapper those trees combine to make it basically unkillable.

Patrick.2987 · March 8, 2019

@felincyriac.5981 said:
@felincyriac.5981 said:
@mortrialus.3062 said:
@"Ruufio.1496" said:Visible stealth, great idea

Sneak Gyro was meta in heart of thorn era and yeah you could see the gyro and the field still.

people complain about full on stealth with no counterplay being unfun to play against, then their class gets stealth and they suddenly switch sides...Stealth is kitten in this game imo it's only fun for the ones with access to stealth, previous sneak gyro was one of the best implementations of stealth in this game (For both parties).

Also core necro can't kill a scrapper, at best it stalls then dies.

This is actually helpful. You should tell this to all the scrappers out there.

https://prnt.sc/mv42si

Shiny.1638 · March 8, 2019

I was playing d/wh tempest vs a scrapper on a side point. After a while we were both at 100% with barriers up so we ended up just standing staring at each other for the last 4 minutes of the game. I was auto attacking him with water dagger 1, and after 5 hits he had a barrier the size of 50% of his health bar. Really fun gameplay xd

Psycoprophet.8107 · March 8, 2019

So tempest is op too ur saying?

Crab Fear.1624 · March 8, 2019

This patch was made before the right sizing. I got a hunch that FOTM mains won't be so happy on the next "balance". Let these "skilled" legends ride the train until it crashes into the town of Bankruptcy -Population: 0

coro.3176 · March 8, 2019

@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Bort.8647 said:How to fix scrapper
make bulwark gyro give barrier depending on how many allies are present. So when scrappers are by themselves, they get around 1/5 the barrier.
make sneak gyro smoke field visible to enemies, and if allies leave the combo field they are revealed. Also increase the cooldown to at least 60 seconds (which is the cooldown of shadow refuge)

Reasonable nerfs IMO

Would prefer keeping the current cooldown of sneak gyro, but reducing the number of pulses. IMO, if you want crazy long stealth from it, you should have to blast the smoke field a bunch of times. I mean, that's why it has a smoke field, right?Edit: also, the smoke field should be visible to enemies

Bulwark gyro is probably way overtuned for 1vX engagements right now. Agree with that one.

mortrialus.3062 · March 8, 2019

@coro.3176 said:
@Vagrant.7206 said:
@Bort.8647 said:How to fix scrapper
make bulwark gyro give barrier depending on how many allies are present. So when scrappers are by themselves, they get around 1/5 the barrier.
make sneak gyro smoke field visible to enemies, and if allies leave the combo field they are revealed. Also increase the cooldown to at least 60 seconds (which is the cooldown of shadow refuge)

Reasonable nerfs IMO

Would prefer keeping the current cooldown of sneak gyro, but reducing the number of pulses. IMO, if you want crazy long stealth from it, you should have to blast the smoke field a bunch of times. I mean, that's why it has a smoke field, right?Edit: also, the smoke field should be visible to enemies

Bulwark gyro is probably way overtuned for 1vX engagements right now. Agree with that one.

If it's going to have half the cooldown of Mass Invisibility it should have half the duration. If it's going to have double the duration it should have double the cooldown.

otto.5684 · March 8, 2019

@whoknocks.4935 said:
@mortrialus.3062 said:
@whoknocks.4935 said:Just enjoy the meta change kitten.
We had condi meta, then power burst meta.
Now it's bunker meta.
You guys will find always something to complain about no matter what, if it wasn't scrapper it was another "mirage not nerfed, boonbeast nerfs are useless, holosmith is overtuned" yada yada yada.
People always complain when it's not their main to being busted.When their main is busted that's the most balanced spec of all game.
You already know how stupid those balances are, they always been, if you don't like the meta or pvp anymore just go to pve or somewhere else.

I prefer metas were kills actually materialize at some point in the game.

And you were probably one of those guys complaining about being busted down in few seconds by an holo.

You see a scrapper side noding 1vs2 on a node he's holding?Go to another kitten cap point and don't go 1vs3 him like a monkey to make his joke.

Rotating correctly can completely make a bunker build useless at 50%.

Of course if you play with bronze monkeys who go 1vs2 a scrapper the entirr game, he will carry and win the game.

This does not make any sense. the whole purpose of +1 is to make quick work of an enemy. If an enemy can hold 2v1 or 2v1 for a prolonged period that breaks the game. Sure, you could go somewhere else (and normally if there are 2 allies fighting 2 enemy you should not go help them). But you will be outnumbered on the other two point.

This is one of the main reasons FB and SB (to some extend soul beast) where nerfed multiple times. Why do we need to go through this excerise AGAIN. Do Anet and the player base ever learn?!

felincyriac.5981 · March 8, 2019

@Patrick.2987 said:
@felincyriac.5981 said:
@felincyriac.5981 said:
@mortrialus.3062 said:
@"Ruufio.1496" said:Visible stealth, great idea

Sneak Gyro was meta in heart of thorn era and yeah you could see the gyro and the field still.

people complain about full on stealth with no counterplay being unfun to play against, then their class gets stealth and they suddenly switch sides...Stealth is kitten in this game imo it's only fun for the ones with access to stealth, previous sneak gyro was one of the best implementations of stealth in this game (For both parties).

Also core necro can't kill a scrapper, at best it stalls then dies.

This is actually helpful. You should tell this to all the scrappers out there.

https://prnt.sc/mv42si

huh is that why I see an increase in core necro's? Not complaining they are easy kills.

whoknocks.4935 · March 8, 2019

@otto.5684 said:
@whoknocks.4935 said:
@mortrialus.3062 said:
@whoknocks.4935 said:Just enjoy the meta change kitten.
We had condi meta, then power burst meta.
Now it's bunker meta.
You guys will find always something to complain about no matter what, if it wasn't scrapper it was another "mirage not nerfed, boonbeast nerfs are useless, holosmith is overtuned" yada yada yada.
People always complain when it's not their main to being busted.When their main is busted that's the most balanced spec of all game.
You already know how stupid those balances are, they always been, if you don't like the meta or pvp anymore just go to pve or somewhere else.

I prefer metas were kills actually materialize at some point in the game.

And you were probably one of those guys complaining about being busted down in few seconds by an holo.

You see a scrapper side noding 1vs2 on a node he's holding?Go to another kitten cap point and don't go 1vs3 him like a monkey to make his joke.

Rotating correctly can completely make a bunker build useless at 50%.

Of course if you play with bronze monkeys who go 1vs2 a scrapper the entirr game, he will carry and win the game.

This does not make any sense. the whole purpose of +1 is to make quick work of an enemy. If an enemy can hold 2v1 or 2v1 for a prolonged period that breaks the game. Sure, you could go somewhere else (and normally if there are 2 allies fighting 2 enemy you should not go help them). But you will be outnumbered on the other two point.

This is one of the main reasons FB and SB (to some extend soul beast) where nerfed multiple times. Why do we need to go through this excerise AGAIN. Do Anet and the player base ever learn?!

i don't know, soulbeast and spellbreaker are different, they dish out crazy damage that even kills you, and they are 1vs1 duelist, not bunkers.

Scrapper is just a side node bunker with almost zero damage in 1vs1, and it has support capabilities, dunno if it's the same.

But as you already saw... Condi meta people complained, burst meta people complained, bunker meta people are complaining, just accept the fact that the gamemode will never be balanced and there will be always overtuned specs and move on, they balance one thing and create another cancer somewhere else, it's how their balance works, it's either accept it or not.

mortrialus.3062 · March 8, 2019

@whoknocks.4935 said:
@otto.5684 said:
@whoknocks.4935 said:
@mortrialus.3062 said:
@whoknocks.4935 said:Just enjoy the meta change kitten.
We had condi meta, then power burst meta.
Now it's bunker meta.
You guys will find always something to complain about no matter what, if it wasn't scrapper it was another "mirage not nerfed, boonbeast nerfs are useless, holosmith is overtuned" yada yada yada.
People always complain when it's not their main to being busted.When their main is busted that's the most balanced spec of all game.
You already know how stupid those balances are, they always been, if you don't like the meta or pvp anymore just go to pve or somewhere else.