Avatar.3568 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 4 pm at, 5 Teams 4 of them are gold or below one p2 team, no competition no fun.yeah we won but it doesn't feel good in any way.bring pls the old system back or change the swiss to 1 upper and 1 lower bracket (for the second chance) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lordrosicky.5813 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 People leave after 1 game anyway, so swiss tournaments are a complete fail. ATs will be dead within weeks probably. Amazingly bad decision to add swiss tournaments. 3 tournaments in a row we lost 1 game and my team left. So I just quit doing them now. This would not be a problem with single elim. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahkeus.8243 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I used to play PvP pretty seriously, but honestly, I haven't seen much that excited me in a while and I never got around to following this Swiss tournament stuff. Admittedly, I don't even know what exactly the Swiss Tournament really is and that's never been explained or advertised much, so I never saw a point in getting excited over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradoxoglanis.1904 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 I dont think it should be surprising that tournaments arent popular. The majority of players play casually, and there is next to no community to help teach and promote more competitive play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exedore.6320 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Aren't we glad we wasted a year of development time on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Problem is its yrs to late unfortunately. Games population is to low now and honestly is probably going to continue baring few small spikes here and there. Unless a huge expansion is not only released but also well advertised this games going to continue to dwindle, especially on the pvp side. Just enjoy what u can out of it for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phokus.8934 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 It makes sense to add swiss style for ATs but probably more sense to only have it in the monthly AT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazsi.2734 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 It got implemented by the time the PvP population declined. It's not swiss that failed, it's tournaments as a format. No matter what they try, if they don't have players it won't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eurantien.4632 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 They seem to pop way faster. And they last a little longer and as long as there is a population you get to fight better teams more. Just might need more incentive now for longer play time required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faux Play.6104 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 @Avatar.3568 said:4 pm at, 5 Teams 4 of them are gold or below one p2 team, no competition no fun.yeah we won but it doesn't feel good in any way.bring pls the old system back or change the swiss to 1 upper and 1 lower bracket (for the second chance)It is almost like the majority of the PvP population is only interested in organized team queue when they can get matched with teams of randoms.Making the AT tourny results count towards your PvP rating may help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koen.1327 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 takes way too longi used to play ats daily, but even one takes up to 2 hours without break possible; i have no time for thisalso the rewards are really poor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starbreaker.6507 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 @Psycoprophet.8107 said:Problem is its yrs to late unfortunately. Games population is to low now and honestly is probably going to continue baring few small spikes here and there. Unless a huge expansion is not only released but also well advertised this games going to continue to dwindle, especially on the pvp side. Just enjoy what u can out of it for now.Therein lies another issue in that Anet's marketing of the game has been comically poor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crab Fear.1624 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 So instead of making another game mode specifically for swiss they changed the current tournament format? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominik.9721 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Daily ATs are dead since 1,5 years. Mechanical beasts like Vin aeone playing every single AT 24/7 and even winning it is the best proof of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sorem.9157 Posted March 11, 2020 Share Posted March 11, 2020 Rewards didn't increase much, but the daily ATs got way longer. Too long if you want my real opinion, specially if you're in one of the stronger teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exedore.6320 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 @Koen.1327 said:takes way too longi used to play ats daily, but even one takes up to 2 hours without break possible; i have no time for thisThis is half the problem. Not everyone has 2 hours straight to dedicate. Especially many times a week. The ideal time duration for an MMORPG group activity is 30-60 minutes. The second half is that PUG groups, which used to bolster the AT numbers, tend to not have a high cohesiveness. After a few games, the disparate skill levels frustrate people who would prefer to try their lot with other players.The solution to all of this is to just allow 1-5 queue in ranked. You get relatively equal skill matching, party members can come and go as needed, and you aren't stuck with the same PUGs over and over if you don't want to be. And it takes 10min off development time to enable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killthehealersffs.8940 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 @Psycoprophet.8107 said:Problem is its yrs to late unfortunately. Games population is to low now and honestly is probably going to continue baring few small spikes here and there. Unless a huge expansion is not only released but also well advertised this games going to continue to dwindle, especially on the pvp side. Just enjoy what u can out of it for now.Ok in few days , dont wonder why i bicker with you .Going from thread to threads spewing l2p and then make these kind of comments . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luthan.5236 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 More population overall ... could be a solution. And it needs to be interesting for lower tiered players as well. I guess if the population is low ... and only a few percent of total population is platin or higher (I guess <10 percent or so) it will happen as described in post #1 of course. I mean lower tiered players would not join if they always are guaranteed to get roflstomped by platins (unless there could be a match making queue to fill up a whole set of tournament teams of about equal rank) ... leaving only the few high rankers playing by themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kickpuncher.8109 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 @Avatar.3568 said:4 pm at, 5 Teams 4 of them are gold or below one p2 team, no competition no fun.yeah we won but it doesn't feel good in any way.bring pls the old system back or change the swiss to 1 upper and 1 lower bracket (for the second chance)The pvp in GW2 is a joke. This was a long time coming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 @Killthehealersffs.8940 said:@Psycoprophet.8107 said:Problem is its yrs to late unfortunately. Games population is to low now and honestly is probably going to continue baring few small spikes here and there. Unless a huge expansion is not only released but also well advertised this games going to continue to dwindle, especially on the pvp side. Just enjoy what u can out of it for now.Ok in few days , dont wonder why i bicker with you .Going from thread to threads spewing l2p and then make these kind of comments .Thief is for the unskilled, buff mesmer ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 if things are taking too long maybe the total score to win could be reduced? where it say in stone that it has to be 500. idk just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marxx.5021 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 I hope it doesn't die after development has been put into it. It could be used in 2v2 which is quicker. It would help if you are out after the second loss. Rewards need to get increased. The number of dayly ATs should get reduced a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exedore.6320 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 A lot of people are claiming a population problem, but you need to compare AT participation in the normal format to the Swiss format. If there is a disparity, then there's a problem unique to the Swiss style. I know that NA prime time ATs used to have around 16 teams participating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Yes.1453 Posted March 12, 2020 Share Posted March 12, 2020 Just make normal AT but finals always best of 3 and do a once weekly swiss AT with increased/other rewards and new titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falan.1839 Posted March 13, 2020 Share Posted March 13, 2020 Yeah, the participation definitely decreased drastically since the patch. I assumed the original plan was to test swiss only with special tournaments and leave the daily ATs as they are. That would have been the smarter move and would have avoided this situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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