Laila Lightness.8742 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Is it really neccesery to exist. Alot pugs i played seems to be unable to sync it. Wouldnt it be easier to remove it and make a path to tread through to the secondery boss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcaniaxs.4519 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Thats the only thing making it kinda unique i guess... with enough knowlege of the area and traps or just using simple portals it isnt hard at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephalem.8921 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 Some classes can solo it in t4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fueki.4753 Posted October 10, 2020 Share Posted October 10, 2020 The only change it might need is an increase to the timer.30 seconds often aren't enough for T3 groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Friday.7864 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 Well, all people have to do is watch a video and go in alone at T1 to try the paths a few times to learn them.That being said a lot of people don't want to put in any effort when it comes to fractals. People are the problem, not the fractal itself.Use a mesmer to make a portal for them if you want to make things easier for yourself, can always switch back to another class after wisps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Boyer.6524 Posted October 11, 2020 Share Posted October 11, 2020 There aren't enough puzzle challenges like it tbh.The game could use more of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dean.3056 Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Why I see every time in the forums people cry about mechanics / game modes ?Like when the community cried about "Slippery Slope" and "Birds" on fractals. Just because you fail and not good enough to face advanced mechanics doesn't mean it should be removed from the game. If it is too hard for you skip the day clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eekasqueak.7850 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Not sure what the point of removing it would be, it introduces a mechanic that ties into the last fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infusion.7149 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Use a mesmer portal (or the raid equivalent White Mantle Portal device) if it's that bad , swap back after Mossman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sobx.1758 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 Yes, I think we should remove everything and after clicking "join/enter/start/login", I should automatically receive the rewards for every activity I can't/don't want to complete. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfb.7025 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 Its hard, yes, the difficulty step betwen t2 and t3 is surreal.Said this, this is the charm of the fractal, My only complain is that the game looks so dark without reshade and you can's see the beartraps, which screws you over if you step on one.Takes time to master, and a lot of group coordination. People underestimate the Invigorator Rifle Prototypes and its a good option if you don't have supporting skills to help people carrying the whisps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randulf.7614 Posted October 15, 2020 Share Posted October 15, 2020 They already nerfed it to make the time limit 2-3 times as long to reduce failure. I don't see it needs removing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Queen Malafide.7512 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 The wisp puzzle is super simple and yet I constantly run into T3 groups that still don't get it. I don't think I have ever found it fun when my team does know what to do. And for that reason alone, I would vote in favor of removing it (and replacing it with something that IS fun). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephalem.8921 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 @Mad Queen Malafide.7512 said:The wisp puzzle is super simple and yet I constantly run into T3 groups that still don't get it. I don't think I have ever found it fun when my team does know what to do. And for that reason alone, I would vote in favor of removing it (and replacing it with something that IS fun). It used to be 30sec on all levels. T3 is the first time now you have to do it like it was on release 7 years ago. T1 -T2 are just so easy that nobody learns any mechanic or puzzle there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen.1483 Posted October 17, 2020 Share Posted October 17, 2020 People always complain of each fractal that has somewhat little diversity in gameplay. If you just want to autoattack some big boss to death, open world provides a lot of that type of content, leave fractals be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nazarick.9653 Posted October 23, 2020 Share Posted October 23, 2020 Not played on T3, but T1-T2 I've not really seen an issue with it...even the boss one I've never had trouble with. (close calls but no fails)Now, that stupid ooze puzzle in Twlight Arbor on the other hand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epsilon Indi.2031 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 @Laila Lightness.8742 said:Is it really neccesery necessary to exist. Alot A lot of pugs i I played with seems to be unable to sync it. Wouldnt Wouldn't it be easier to remove it and make a path to tread through to the secondery secondary boss ?It's very necessary to have. It teaches a timed mechanic that's relevant later in the fight with Bloomhunger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westenev.5289 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 PuG's need to learn that communication is important. This puzzle punishes lone wolves who see their team as meatshields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armen.1483 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 I will take the opportunity and put a link to a guide on those wisps by Murzielago for ppl who struggle with it and might find it useful: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knite.1542 Posted October 30, 2020 Share Posted October 30, 2020 @Laila Lightness.8742 said:Is it really neccesery to exist. Alot pugs i played seems to be unable to sync it. Wouldnt it be easier to remove it and make a path to tread through to the secondery bossLet's remove the boss fights too while we're at it. It would be easier if we just got the loot automatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medivh.4725 Posted December 19, 2020 Share Posted December 19, 2020 At least create some short cuts or extend the timings or something. I literally hate having to do swampland and the players kept leaving and leaving. I hated it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephalem.8921 Posted December 20, 2020 Share Posted December 20, 2020 @medivh.4725 said:At least create some short cuts or extend the timings or something. I literally hate having to do swampland and the players kept leaving and leaving. I hated it.There are tons of shortcuts. It used to be 30sec even at level 1. Some classes can even solo it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westenev.5289 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 @Nephalem.8921 said:@medivh.4725 said:At least create some short cuts or extend the timings or something. I literally hate having to do swampland and the players kept leaving and leaving. I hated it.There are tons of shortcuts. It used to be 30sec even at level 1. Some classes can even solo it.They aren't the sort of shortcuts you stumble upon for a miraculous last second save. They're the sort of shortcuts you know through research and practice, and can feel kinda buggy with the weird collision, which kinda takes the fun out of it imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
medivh.4725 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 The furthest node always a problem. Many times none of the 5 in group have swift. Why don't you add a Swift interaction.Remove some wood logs open up some fast ways. I am playing at T3 and it is always problem Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyninja.2954 Posted December 21, 2020 Share Posted December 21, 2020 Perfect example of making things easier leading to players never bothering to "learn" or improve at something. Back when the timer was 30s across the board, players were faced with having to "learn" how to do this mechanic.The timer is very generous in lower ranks as to give some leeway for players to learn and memorize how to get the wisps to the logs. Now if players just brainafk through every trap on the way, refuse to adjust builds (for personal swiftness or condi cleanse as example) and don't realize that they barely made the time on a lower rank, there should be no surprise that no actual player skill improvement takes place. Net result: a lot of inept players in T3.To reiterate:the lower ranks of this fractal are intended to prepare you for the shorter timers in T3 and T4being unable, unwilling, to stupid, or what ever reason to actually react to feedback the game gives and improve on it is personal player ineptitudethere are tons of guides available by now as to how to get each of the wisps to the logs for any player who wants to improve but is unable or unwilling to do so on their ownif far is such a huge issue learn to run far yourself, then worst case reset until only 1 far wisps spawns and you never have to deal with issues in this fractal again. Stop relying on others to carry you through this game 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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