Downstate.4697 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Id rather use meditations than physicals personally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lattekahvi.2347 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 19 minutes ago, Dschromm.2946 said: Congratulations. Guardians will have the game all to themselves from now on. Jeez, again they get everything but better... their trait line has almost zero synergy with other trait lines or are just sidegrades where you gain some lose more so not really 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Trejgon.2809 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, FrownyClown.8402 said: Id rather use meditations than physicals personally well have you seen cooldowns on physicals? but yeah as it is, I don't know which one of those three is more broken - willbender for sure did 180 degrees turn in mobility, turning from least mobile class in the game, to class with the most mobile espec - and big chunk of it does not require target to do their thing, meaning that disengage ability has skyrocketed, from 0 to very strong. I will need to spend more time with that traitline to make any judgement on that one, but so far it indeed does not seem to synergize with anything outside espec at first glance. I like the tradeoffs everywhere (no virtue passives, and alot of trates being tradeoffs as well, I didn't caught if those virtue stance-but-not-stance is something that sticks untill swapped to other one, or if it's timed, or a bit of both) 15s stunbreak is probably first one to get nerfed btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanto.2485 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 This is worse than i thought. Don't get me wrong, animation are flashy and the concept is fine, but think how this will actualize in the game: In PvE you are afk until you can press f1 and burst with gs and the new whirly thing, so same exact thing as dh with the whirl instead of the trap, in wvw blobs it's going to be useless since it's all meelee with very short range. It's only going to be good in pvp where you'll play as something in between a rev and a thief, so it's gonna be obnoxious as hell to play against with all that mobility, but hey i guess for once we get to be the real aids in that gamemode, so karma for all the people who kept complaining about the punching bag guards have been until now there. Also there's not a single condition cleanse in the entire set, so you are forced into the resitance trait, and for damaging conditions...i guess you have the 40 cd meditation, or you can stand inside purging flames XD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightDestroyer.1265 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) Well you cant use most utili3since you need the condi cleanse, a stun break. So u got only 1 utility slot. The healing skill seems to be good, but if it has obvious animation and people can counterplay it, healing is kitten. Edited August 13, 2021 by lightDestroyer.1265 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xaylin.1860 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 I'm still not into all the punching but I overall like how Willbender fills the mobility niche on Guardian. I also enjoy how they changed Virtues because in many scenarios you'd rather keep the passives running to utilize, for example, Permeathing Wrath. This might bring some currently underused traits to the front. I do like OH Sw but I'm very unsure which weapon set I'd pair with it. Utilities look fine, I guess. Mostly sidegrades imho which is fine. Now, Willbender traits. I do like the overall approach of gaining 'more' for giving up something else. But other than enhancing the more active Virtue play, they don't really do much. It's not as bad as with Virtuoso, but it's probably the least exciting part of the e-spec. The only one that stands out is Deathless Courage and we will have to see if this is actually practical. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanto.2485 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, lightDestroyer.1265 said: Well you cant use most utili3since you need the condi cleanse, a stun break. So u got only 1 utility slot. The healing skill seems to be good, but if it has obvious animation and people can counterplay it, healing is kitten. Well 2.5k heal on two charges isn't even bad if you consider the guard hp pool and how much the other heal skills suck., also the physical stunbreak seems very good on that cd. But yeah you are forced to get contemplation of purity, which is a 40 sec cd stunbreak+cleanse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ragnarox.9601 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 13 minutes ago, Kanto.2485 said: Well 2.5k heal on two charges isn't even bad if you consider the guard hp pool and how much the other heal skills suck., also the physical stunbreak seems very good on that cd. But yeah you are forced to get contemplation of purity, which is a 40 sec cd stunbreak+cleanse. yup guardian elite doesent have any condi cleanse or something, its all about stuns....and all other classes have at least 1 stunbreaker, i dont know, i feel its kinda luckluster spec especially that grandmaster traits, you dont know which one is worse - losing insta heal or aegis.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barraind.7324 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 I'll probably use monksassin for open world farming, but with whats been shown, i just dont see where it fits in for organized groups. HOP HOP HOP HOP HOP is fun and all, but... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tungsten Monarch.6058 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Just rename it the Kamikaze already, because that's where the class is heading in play style. I foresee issues like what we had on Factions release with Assassins, where everyone goes Naruto right off the bat. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronoPinoyX.7923 Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 As far as gameplay goes, this is just Assassin/Monk from GW1. Not sure how I feel about what they offer on the GM trait lines and the fact that they're offering that 1HP for 4 seconds is literally Shadowform build all over again, but even worse by comparison. Still, I enjoy the overall playstyle, I'll defo try it out cuz it feels like they had Almorra's boss fight in mind when they did this E-Spec. Lots of fire, lots of dashing around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanto.2485 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) Hol'up I just realized none of the movement skills on willbender had evade frames right? that's kind of...a problem Edit: 1/2 second on f2 and 1/2 second on the stunbreak Edited August 13, 2021 by Kanto.2485 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneQR.7412 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 TLDR of the new spec: I AM SPEED 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caid.4932 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 If it does enough damage i think i'll live with being squishy and having little to no support. It looks a lot of fun so I'm well disposed to it in theory. Scepter, focus would probably be a decent way to go defensive if needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infusion.7149 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) Makes thief look bad to be honest. I think the teleports are excessive, it should have been leaps or something. Also why is Berserker -300 toughness for everyone while it is -240 on Power for Power that is not even a forced trait? Edited August 13, 2021 by Infusion.7149 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bealis.6023 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 Will-bend personal space 🙂 I would like to know how main guard players feel about the traits though. Speed, trade offs and virtues effectiveness, there doesnt seem to be much fun in it for making a build, but I know its subjective... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanto.2485 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Bealis.6023 said: Will-bend personal space 🙂 I would like to know how main guard players feel about the traits though. Speed, trade offs and virtues effectiveness, there doesnt seem to be much fun in it for making a build, but I know its subjective... I think it's terrible in general for anything that isn't pvp, and even there i'm worried about condition pressure since it literally only has resistance to deal with it, and we saw what that did to mallyx rev with recent changes... Like, 240 concentration for reduced support that the build doesn't have anyway, -240 toughness on a class with 11k base hp, 240 healing power for reduced healing to allies that you do not have just doesn't make any sense. The only trait that looks god is the virtues cdr one. Edit:the virtue cdr thing is together with the resistance trait, so that's also a no XD Edited August 13, 2021 by Kanto.2485 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lan Deathrider.5910 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 35 minutes ago, Infusion.7149 said: Makes thief look bad to be honest. I think the teleports are excessive, it should have been leaps or something. Also why is Berserker -300 toughness for everyone while it is -240 on Power for Power that is not even a forced trait? It is honestly the better approach, and I hope that they roll that into some of the other especs when the do the EoD prepatch balances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile.8160 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) God!! everything was going so well until they hit the traits part -_- really hope they get changed before release. Edited August 13, 2021 by Exile.8160 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barraind.7324 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Bealis.6023 said: I would like to know how main guard players feel about the traits though. It seems to sacrifice a lot to have 25-33% uptime on "I cant be downed". I dont see myself doing much with it outside running around, its anti-utility makes it really not good for anything organized. But some of them are just ? You have less group healing! (How exactly am i healing anyone else with what you previewed?) You have less group buffing! selfish everything, wooo Edited August 13, 2021 by Barraind.7324 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bealis.6023 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 27 minutes ago, Kanto.2485 said: I think it's terrible in general for anything that isn't pvp, and even there i'm worried about condition pressure since it literally only has resistance to deal with it, and we saw what that did to mallyx rev with recent changes... Like, 240 concentration for reduced support that the build doesn't have anyway, -240 toughness on a class with 11k base hp, 240 healing power for reduced healing to allies that you do not have just doesn't make any sense. The only trait that looks god is the virtues cdr one. Edit:the virtue cdr thing is together with the resistance trait, so that's also a no XD Ur right, all those adept traits are such a hassle. They want to make the spec an assassin "selfish" type, which might be fine on some level, but I cant think of a good combination with other trait lines. Maybe trying to go heavy on boons, but that sketchy so far 🤔 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acyk.9671 Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 (edited) deleted Edited April 3, 2022 by Acyk.9671 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile.8160 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 37 minutes ago, Acyk.9671 said: use meditations and valor for minimum self sustain, i guess Meditations are the way to go with this spec tbh the new skills are nice and flashy but I dont belive they make the cut with that 11k healthpool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darknicrofia.2604 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 I mean just wear Marauder gear like Guards have been doing since Marauder was a stat. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asum.4960 Posted August 14, 2021 Share Posted August 14, 2021 PoF: You get Mounts! EoD: You get to outrun the Mount! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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