Sword 4 needs a nerf so the rest of the class can stop being nerfed around it — Guild Wars 2 Forums

Sword 4 needs a nerf so the rest of the class can stop being nerfed around it

Doctor.1384Doctor.1384 Member ✭✭✭

This may just be my opinion but I dont like having all my damage coming from 2 skills, namely sword 4 and 5. Id rather off sword be nerfed than continue to have needlessly elaborate downgrades to a bunch of other parts of the power rev build like we got in the last balance update. Sword 4s damage should be put behind a block and made into a counter like it is with every other sword offhand for every other profession. This is just lazy design to try and prop power revs up into the meta by giving them east access to easy burst damage instead of taking the time to properly tweak the class so it stays viable. Id rather the entire class be rolled back to where it was prior to equilibrium removal and left there permanantly just so it remains stable and isnt messed up with anymore arbitrary damage buffs followed by a bunch of assorted nerfs that make the class sad and unrecognizable.


  • Pterikdactyl.7630Pterikdactyl.7630 Member ✭✭✭✭

    I would rather have offhand sword nerfs than to have the rest of the class butchered as well, but I think sword 4 is fine. The cast time offers enough counterplay, but with quickness I suppose it does make it harder to counterplay (but this is not exclusive to Rev by any means, so I don't think the argument holds much ground). If they tune down the damage any more, I'd say they would need to increase its utility, like increasing the immob duration or reducing the cast time nack down a bit so it feels more fluid to use without quickness. Sword 5 to me is a bigger issue to me.

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  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Wait sword 4 is the only thing about this class. Nvm. Nerf it, and then nerf what else? Nerf Salvation as well. Nerf Dwarf as well. That road thing is strong. Nerf it. I hope shiro and Herald get nerfed hard as well. Would make the other legends more useful.

  • otto.5684otto.5684 Member ✭✭✭✭

    If this is a PvP issue, PvP wise power herald is okay now. No need for buffs or nerfs.

    PvE wise, why nerf off hand sword? Sword 2 and AA deal substantially more damage (considering CD). If anything, power rev needs a buff.

  • LucianTheAngelic.7054LucianTheAngelic.7054 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 10, 2019

    Wants Offhand sword and Rev burst nerfed; wants Rev brought back to pre Equilibrium (instant cast strong burst skill) * thinking *

    Also it's not even like offhand sword 4/5 are your win condition or "all of your damage." There are plenty of ways to deal strong damage outside of those abilities

  • Taobella.6597Taobella.6597 Member ✭✭✭

    not the dmg that make offhand sword strong it immobilize. locking someone down to take raw dmg is effective on any class :).

  • LucianTheAngelic.7054LucianTheAngelic.7054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Taobella.6597 said:
    not the dmg that make offhand sword strong it immobilize. locking someone down to take raw dmg is effective on any class :).

    Also even more than this it’s the 600 range teleport

  • Catchyfx.5768Catchyfx.5768 Member ✭✭✭

    Sword offhand and power meta are the only things keeping this class alive. Wanna see how do you wanna focus one target in teamfight with sw2 and sw3 :-). And our only instant teleport on sw5. Low energy cost too. Why invest to other offhands if you give 20 energy for beign killed by warrior with 12 sec of unblockable(hello shield 5). Sure nerf it but I dont bellieve there will be any buff elsewhere to compensate.


  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Rev seriously lacks burst, its one of the reasons why its considered such a patetic pve class.

  • DonArkanio.6419DonArkanio.6419 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Well, for me OH Sword is a lazy design that should be scrapped - it's a copy-paste of OH Axe but on steroids.
    It's the laziest DPS filler I can think of tbh.

    You've got the point and I agree with it completely. OH Sword should be nerfed, so rest of Revenant doesn't have to get nerfed.

  • Lonewolf Kai.3682Lonewolf Kai.3682 Member ✭✭✭

    Sword 4 damage doesn’t really need nerfing. It is HIGHLY telegraphed and really easy to avoid/dodge. What needs to be done to sword 4 is to bring back the block as a chain starter, with the option to end the block early for the damage/immobilize secondary skill.

  • Buran.3796Buran.3796 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Nerf OH sword so we get kicked from the meta to make people appreciate how hopeless is this class in PvP outside a couple of predictable burst.

  • LucianDK.8615LucianDK.8615 Member ✭✭✭✭

    people doesnt understand how terrible the revenant is. They have no noteworthy burst damage for pve.

  • Master Ketsu.4569Master Ketsu.4569 Member ✭✭✭✭
    edited June 14, 2019

    Many of us including top players have stated for a long time that Sword 4 should be reverted to what it was: A 2s block, followed by a much weaker version of what it is now. They could even revert some of the previous nerfs after doing this and the class would likely be fine.

    The current weapon set doesn't even make sense. Axe = DPS, Sword offhand = DPS, Shield = Pure defense. Sword offhand used to be a good mix of DPS and Defense with the only reason that it wasn't often used being because the old sword 5 was a trashcan skill that frequently would bug you into walls or randomly fail to do anything and just in general was awful. Sword only really needed the rework to affect sword 5 in the first place.

    The fact is until this happens people will continue to get oneshot by sword 4 and thus will continue to complain about rev. Honestly anet could make "Reverted sword 4 to pre-rework" the one and only balance change to rev in whatever the next patch is and it would be good enough.

  • Catchyfx.5768Catchyfx.5768 Member ✭✭✭

    Still dont get the RevHate.
    I would say rev is one of the best classes you wanna play against. Shadow steps have casttimes and can be interupted(except Sw5 but dmg deals the second hit you can avoid easy). Almost every spell have casttime. No instafest like guard, mesmer, thief. and Sw4 with 25might deals lower dps then Gravedigger with same casttime :) but with gravedigger you can hit 5 targets and everybody get same hit, Sw4 = more targets lower dps. No need to nerf.


  • vyncius.6105vyncius.6105 Member ✭✭✭

    buff condi builds and everyone will cry how bad rev is in pvp.

  • phokus.8934phokus.8934 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @vyncius.6105 said:
    buff condi builds and everyone will cry how bad rev is in pvp.

    Condi Mirage was largely overshadowing Rev. Now that Condi Mirage was toned down a bit, the mob moved onto power rev.

  • if you play a pvp match with a mes, which almost every game right now has 2 your entire gameplay has to be altered to only plus 1s and if theres a mid fight you have to really be careful with what you do, condis DO NOT need a buff they already have a condition in the game for EVERYTHING you can do in the game, you wana auto attack? Confusion, you want to move? Imob , stun, torment, or even fear, but WAIT THERE IS MORE!!!!!!!!!!! lets also make it so you cant attack while putting burning, poison and bleeding on you as well and then as soon as you clear them put them right back on lol conditions are fine where they are at, they are very strong and i would say unless your playing a ranger or spell breaker or guard your power class can be relatively useless " this is not me saying other power builds cant win its more saying that you really have to know what your doing" all in all i think the game just overall needs a 100 percent tone down for dmg, but then we will enter the bunker meta which isnt that fun either so its pick and choose, have a lovely day :)

  • Knighthonor.4061Knighthonor.4061 Member ✭✭✭✭

    Honestly just nerf this skill into the ground and get it over with. Iam ready to move on to other things. Too much complaining about this skill. Just do it.

  • LucianTheAngelic.7054LucianTheAngelic.7054 Member ✭✭✭✭

    @Knighthonor.4061 said:
    Honestly just nerf this skill into the ground and get it over with. Iam ready to move on to other things. Too much complaining about this skill. Just do it.

    This is a pre-patch thread and shouldn’t be taken seriously for the current balance. The huge amount of Rev nerfs in the recent balance, including a nerf to sword 4, have brought it in line. Practically no one is complaining about this skill now post balance patch.

  • Shao.7236Shao.7236 Member ✭✭✭

    Haven't been using Off-hand in a while so I can definitely tell you that aside perma stealth thief or builds that constantly disengage and hide behind aegis/blind spam.

    Off-hand is actually trash and only makes you viable as a +1 profession, everything else is just disengage over and over. If they nerf sword 4 again instead of just restoring the old one and make it work like guardian focus 5, they need to buff 5 more significantly since the nerf of Incensed Response and Roiling Mists, the difference in between PvP and WvW is stupid.

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