jgeezz.7832 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 The ranger Long Bow range needs to be nerfed. This is because No other class even has range on a ranger which is a major disadvantaged being able to destroy siege in WvW at far range is totally unbalanced. Only the thief is able to compare but at a disadvantage because he is forced to sit and is immobile.Devs. this is an unbalanced mechanic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawdler.8521 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 @jgeezz.7832 said:Only the thief is able to compare but at a disadvantage because he is forced to sit and is immobile.And that should cause everyone to completely disregard this thread because its utterly nonsensical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trucker.5386 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Oh boy another nerf ranger thread. Well if you have an issue with the range then might I suggest you go play your thief in pve and forget wvw all together. Hit ( stealth, stealth run away ) rinse and repeat. Eventually you'll get a kill. Every class needs something to be good at and this is ranger territory. So go cry in your towel and not on the forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneQR.7412 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 If you have problems against pewpew ranger ask for counter play instead of crying for a nerf.Longbow is easy counter playable by baiting rapid fires and unblockables. Dodging, reflects, hiding behind objects or blocking.The range isn't the issue it's that it is a noob filter and prevents accessability for new roamers.Learn to play against rangers and see when it is favorable and when it is not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneakytails.5629 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Class wide the issue is super high damage, spammable CC, and skills that do too many things at once. Those are the broken things in this game not the Ranger 1500 range Longbow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teratus.2859 Posted January 1, 2020 Share Posted January 1, 2020 Disagree, if anything the Range is the only thing that makes playing LB in WvW viable.Take that away and what's the point in even having another Bow weapon in the game.What I'd rather see is both the Longbow and the Rifle get high range slow autos across ALL! classes that use them.The whole point of a Longbow is Range, that's what they were made for and a Rifle is essentially accuracy and range.Only Deadeye's and Rangers actually play to this function though which has often annoyed me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgeezz.7832 Posted January 2, 2020 Author Share Posted January 2, 2020 @"InsaneQR.7412" said:Longbow is easy counter playable by baiting rapid fires and unblockables. Dodging, reflects, hiding behind objects or blocking.Dodge doesn't work any more and as a thief the way it was explained, in the following post stealth is broken on a thief if you try to dodge rapid fire from a ranger, even if you dodge right or left the rapid fire turns into homing arrows and follows you.https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/89779/stealth-is-completly-worthless#latest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murshid.9854 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Longbow is already so bad in PvE to a level were you get kicked from squads just for having it, why should they make it suck in PvP/WvW also?Since the condi build don't do that great in PvP/WvW, nerfing the longbow will damage the class so badly.Indeed its strong, but also its not OP level strong unless its under the hand of good play and in this case everything could be "OP" and need to be nerfed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InsaneQR.7412 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 @jgeezz.7832 said:@"InsaneQR.7412" said:Longbow is easy counter playable by baiting rapid fires and unblockables. Dodging, reflects, hiding behind objects or blocking.Dodge doesn't work any more and as a thief the way it was explained, in the following post stealth is broken on a thief if you try to dodge rapid fire from a ranger, even if you dodge right or left the rapid fire turns into homing arrows and follows you.https://en-forum.guildwars2.com/discussion/89779/stealth-is-completly-worthless#latestBut it still misses during the dodge.Ranger was always antithief because it could burst their tiny bit of health away pretty effectively from a safe distance.Its generally considered a bad match up against thieves. If you are close enough shadowstep behind the ranger might also work and interrupt its skill.Fixing stealth seems more important for thieves players tbh than nerfing longbow range.Because you will still get snipped from afar either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abyssisis.3971 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Only nerf long bow if we also get to nerf the multiports, stealth and evade access the thief class has abundant of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeolus.3615 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Idk. Damage hammer will reach all classes.But what made LB really op was already removed/nerfed wich was the unblock uptimes.There are far more broken classes than ranger atm, its strong but won’t carry that easilly as some other specs do.Problem with ranger is the maul, most cry about CoR and yet maul hit arround15k on tanky stats with lots of reducers.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution.5409 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 My opinion: L2P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 how about fix the ranger LB so it doesnt shoot over 1500 intended range? and how about arrows dont angle around corners.fix the bug > nerf. 1500 range is fine, but ranger can shoot over 1500 and thats too much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted January 2, 2020 Share Posted January 2, 2020 Range is fine and is the rangers lb niche and should remain its thing. At most when the soposed big nerf patch roles in I'd say a bit of damage fall off on the last quarter of max range would be plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution.5409 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 @"Leonidrex.5649" said:how about fix the ranger LB so it doesnt shoot over 1500 intended range? and how about arrows dont angle around corners.fix the bug > nerf. 1500 range is fine, but ranger can shoot over 1500 and thats too muchBug?https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Long_Range_Shot"The projectile flies in a small arc and can actually hit targets outside of the maximum range."Wiki also disagrees with this. D: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skotlex.7580 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 @Revolution.5409 said:@"Leonidrex.5649" said:how about fix the ranger LB so it doesnt shoot over 1500 intended range? and how about arrows dont angle around corners.fix the bug > nerf. 1500 range is fine, but ranger can shoot over 1500 and thats too muchBug?https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Long_Range_Shot"The projectile flies in a small arc and can actually hit targets outside of the maximum range."Wiki also disagrees with this. D:Well, when the skill displays a given range, and actual range in flat ground is actually longer, I'd say there's something wrong there. Either fix the tooltip, or fix the range. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zexanima.7851 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 my only complaint is the ungodly tracking on the thing. If i’m on thief i get obstructed or invalid target if the enemy is standing on a pebble but ranger longbow will shoot through 14 walls and two dimensions to peg you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 @Revolution.5409 said:@"Leonidrex.5649" said:how about fix the ranger LB so it doesnt shoot over 1500 intended range? and how about arrows dont angle around corners.fix the bug > nerf. 1500 range is fine, but ranger can shoot over 1500 and thats too muchBug?https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Long_Range_Shot"The projectile flies in a small arc and can actually hit targets outside of the maximum range."Wiki also disagrees with this. D:then you need to learn to read the wiki properly.its in the NOTES not skill description.Range: 1,500 .its supposed to have 1500 range, if it has more its bugged and needs to be fixed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution.5409 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 @Leonidrex.5649 said:@Revolution.5409 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:how about fix the ranger LB so it doesnt shoot over 1500 intended range? and how about arrows dont angle around corners.fix the bug > nerf. 1500 range is fine, but ranger can shoot over 1500 and thats too muchBug?https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Long_Range_Shot"The projectile flies in a small arc and can actually hit targets outside of the maximum range."Wiki also disagrees with this. D:then you need to learn to read the wiki properly.its in the NOTES not skill description.Range: 1,500 .its supposed to have 1500 range, if it has more its bugged and needs to be fixed.Note does not mean Bug or that the Skill does not work well.There are skills that have been working for years in this way, Short-Bow Thief, Elementalist Staff, Engi mortar etc ... have skills that go beyond the indicated range, ask in the right section to solve this which you define a bug because this is not a Rangers problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 @Revolution.5409 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Revolution.5409 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:how about fix the ranger LB so it doesnt shoot over 1500 intended range? and how about arrows dont angle around corners.fix the bug > nerf. 1500 range is fine, but ranger can shoot over 1500 and thats too muchBug?https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Long_Range_Shot"The projectile flies in a small arc and can actually hit targets outside of the maximum range."Wiki also disagrees with this. D:then you need to learn to read the wiki properly.its in the NOTES not skill description.Range: 1,500 .its supposed to have 1500 range, if it has more its bugged and needs to be fixed.Note does not mean Bug or that the Skill does not work well.There are skills that have been working for years in this way, Short-Bow Thief, Elementalist Staff, Engi mortar etc ... have skills that go beyond the indicated range, ask in the right section to solve this which you define a bug because this is not a Rangers problem.the fact that other classes are broken is no excuse for ranger to be broken, longbow attacks go beyond its intended range and thus are broken.its simple, I dont understand why you keep failing to grasp that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revolution.5409 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 @Leonidrex.5649 said:@Revolution.5409 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Revolution.5409 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:how about fix the ranger LB so it doesnt shoot over 1500 intended range? and how about arrows dont angle around corners.fix the bug > nerf. 1500 range is fine, but ranger can shoot over 1500 and thats too muchBug?https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Long_Range_Shot"The projectile flies in a small arc and can actually hit targets outside of the maximum range."Wiki also disagrees with this. D:then you need to learn to read the wiki properly.its in the NOTES not skill description.Range: 1,500 .its supposed to have 1500 range, if it has more its bugged and needs to be fixed.Note does not mean Bug or that the Skill does not work well.There are skills that have been working for years in this way, Short-Bow Thief, Elementalist Staff, Engi mortar etc ... have skills that go beyond the indicated range, ask in the right section to solve this which you define a bug because this is not a Rangers problem.the fact that other classes are broken is no excuse for ranger to be broken, longbow attacks go beyond its intended range and thus are broken.its simple, I dont understand why you keep failing to grasp that.So everything is broken but Ranger goes Nerfed, it seems to me a nice way of thinking.I repeat, it is something that is not exclusive to Ranger but also to other professions that I have listed in my other post, but you are here to request nerfs for Ranger and not for others who can do the same.I am interested in understanding that if something needs to be changed it must apply to "everyone".So if you have problems with this, create a post in the appropriate section and ask that this be changed on all not only for what you don't like.Personally I have no problem, it has been working this way for 7 years. It is not something nobody knows, it's part of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonidrex.5649 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 @Revolution.5409 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Revolution.5409 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:@Revolution.5409 said:@Leonidrex.5649 said:how about fix the ranger LB so it doesnt shoot over 1500 intended range? and how about arrows dont angle around corners.fix the bug > nerf. 1500 range is fine, but ranger can shoot over 1500 and thats too muchBug?https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Long_Range_Shot"The projectile flies in a small arc and can actually hit targets outside of the maximum range."Wiki also disagrees with this. D:then you need to learn to read the wiki properly.its in the NOTES not skill description.Range: 1,500 .its supposed to have 1500 range, if it has more its bugged and needs to be fixed.Note does not mean Bug or that the Skill does not work well.There are skills that have been working for years in this way, Short-Bow Thief, Elementalist Staff, Engi mortar etc ... have skills that go beyond the indicated range, ask in the right section to solve this which you define a bug because this is not a Rangers problem.the fact that other classes are broken is no excuse for ranger to be broken, longbow attacks go beyond its intended range and thus are broken.its simple, I dont understand why you keep failing to grasp that.So everything is broken but Ranger goes Nerfed, it seems to me a nice way of thinking.I repeat, it is something that is not exclusive to Ranger but also to other professions that I have listed in my other post, but you are here to request nerfs for Ranger and not for others who can do the same.I am interested in understanding that if something needs to be changed it must apply to "everyone".So if you have problems with this, create a post in the appropriate section and ask that this be changed on all not only for what you don't like.Personally I have no problem, it has been working this way for 7 years. It is not something nobody knows, it's part of the game.I didnt know those things existed, if they do go ahead and get them fixed too.the FACT IS, longbow is SUPPOSED to have 1500 range. Its not the case, FIX THIS.Other classes having bugs is no excuse for ranger to have bugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VAHNeunzehnsechundsiebzig. Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 @InsaneQR.7412 said:If you have problems against pewpew ranger ask for counter play instead of crying for a nerf.Longbow is easy counter playable by baiting rapid fires and unblockables. Dodging, reflects, hiding behind objects or blocking.The range isn't the issue it's that it is a noob filter and prevents accessability for new roamers.Learn to play against rangers and see when it is favorable and when it is not. oh that helps you so much when the pew pew ranger stands on a wall and there is no way to break line of sight or hide behind anything. Ranger is one of three utterly broken classes. Just admit it. It is ok you want to keep your OP pet class. Must be fun to rapid fire, long-range-shot-barrage. But for everyone else they are a pest at best, destroying FUN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZDragon.3046 Posted January 3, 2020 Share Posted January 3, 2020 I dont agree because long bow is not the main problem as to why it hits so hard or why they dont become fragile when getting into long bows range where they should be at a disadvantage... nuff said... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgeezz.7832 Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 I don't disagree that there are broken issue every where but range on a ranger is stupidly to far, if he was immobile when he was firing his bow than and it drop to 1,200 range when he wasn't like a Deadeye thief than yeah that is might be called a balancing of a broken class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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