Jen.6021 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Gank build =/= 1v1 buildIf you automatically think you are better because you won without considering multiple factors around, specifically BUILDS, then thats your issue.Gankers arent bad, most of them are really good roamers who happen to have more friends online and have fun together, trolling, or looking for salt for some specific people who keep raging tru whispers.I feel weird talking about stuff like this in 2019, unless you are new to the game ofc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klypto.1703 Posted January 21, 2019 Share Posted January 21, 2019 Bad player is a term used by a collective of bad players who cannot kill one good player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Israel.7056 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I mean if that's all they ever do yeah. But you're also bad if you get a quick chance to plus a fight and don't because you're worried about it making you a worse player or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerThings.9810 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 OP I’m with you. Gankers are mostly subpar zerglings trying to 111 the bad man. But it’s a gift: how much fun is it stalking down that siege-slinging-salt-sprayer? Otherwise it’s just random speed bumps. Cherish it.—Gank build =/= 1v1 buildXv1 builds? We’ve peaked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apharma.3741 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 @"Kovu.7560" said:Gankers remind me of cheesers in RTS games. The bad cheesers know their cheese well but can't follow it up with quality transitional gameplay if things don't go their way. Good cheesers know their cheese well and know when to transition into more standard gameplay.Gankers are carried by their build in the first 5~10 seconds of the fight. That's what they're built to do. That's what their traits and utilities are for. But after those few seconds a good portion of their abilities are on cooldown and if their gank didn't land well they're forced to fight, ya know, properly. The bad players die and/or run away, the good players are able to make the most of the situation and continue the fight.I wouldn't generalize gankers as good or bad inherently, its just one of many different chosen styles of gameplay.~ KovuThat's I think the worst part of PoF and the "gankers" of today. You play something that a well adjusted person would call fair and you're likely not going to keep up with them when they run. I see a lot of soulbeasts that will sick em RF and when it fails immediately stealth, run, swap, leap, bird, leap and they're gone man, they're just gone. DE retreats to perma stealth, holo rocket boots x2 away and hit stealth, mirage blink, thrust, thrust, heal, thrust, jaunt, jaunt, warrior just invulns then speeds off into the distance, you ain't catching that without mobility listed above.I think ganking without reason is bad, I try not to but if someone starts I'll engage and gank them on sight every time....oh and anyone on Gankdara. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EremiteAngel.9765 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 @"whoknocks.4935" said:Hello everyone,My question is simple, but I don't want to create some misunderstanding."Bad players" I mean players who lack skill and enough knowledge of the game to play their profession in a 1vs1.WvW is not a 1vs1 gamemode, and ganking is done by almost everyone to mantain partecipation and to get the heavy loot bag.But what I discovered during my roaming career is one thing.If I meet two or three players of the same guild, and I am alone and they attack me in a fair 1vs1 and the other 2 players just watch their mate, in this case those players are pretty good duelers and know how to fight on their profession.In all the other cases when people chased me 2vs1 3vs1 4vs1 5vs1 6vs1 and so on just to get the kill on me, with siege dropped after they got me, when I find one of those same guys alone in a 1vs1, even playing meta roaming builds, boonbeast, core war, condi mirage, everybody of them wasn't able to do anything in that 1vs1 and they barely dropped me under 80% health even tho silver gold platinum and mithrill rank and not at their first day of WvW.So my thought is: ganking will make you remain a bad player?I mean everyone is capable to go for clean up or outnumbered kills and win against one guy alone.Please don't say that WvW is not a 1vs1 gamemode etc.I know that already and people play the way they want to, but ganking has a price in my opinion, you won't improve as a player and at your profession.You're not wrong if these players exclusively participated in ganks only, then yes, the likelihood of them being less competent when alone is high.But I guess we can't really blanket all gankers under the same umbrella...Many top roaming guilds gank as well and every one of their members are competent when alone so...A reason why some guilds stop and give you that 1 vs 1 might be because they recognize you as skilled and want to test themselves against you.But if they are not in the mood to test their skills though...then I'm pretty sure they will gank you...just like the rest...And seeing that you are a mirage roamer...currently considered the most OP combat strength and overall roaming class, I'm not surprised that groups try and chase you to the ends of the earth =p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icewielder.4195 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 It's definitely not a yes or no question. Entirely dependent on the player and guild. There are certain guilds that will absolutely never 1v1, or are known for having guild members jump you after one of theirs starts to lose a duel that started with bowing. Outside of those guilds most roaming guilds will gank, but often have very good roamers in them. vT is an example of one that's still active. Yeah they will gank, but I wouldn't underestimate them in a 1v1 either. Best advice is to get to know the roaming guilds and their members. I almost never get ganked by the good roaming guilds as I know most everyone in them, so they let me be and I won't interfere in their fights.... unless they start to lose an outnumbered fight then I might blow someone from the third server up but hey, you aren't a roamer if you aren't an opportunistic twat from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CETheLucid.3964 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 @whoknocks.4935 said:Are gankers bad players?That depends. Are you alive or are you dead after the encounter? :trollface: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eramonster.2718 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 A solo roamer myself and from the way I see things, there are solo roamers and party/group roamers. Eg. there are players running 5man and call it roaming :smile:. Won't really know if they're bad with their classes until we try it out. Encountering another solo roamer doesn't means he is good until the fight starts and sometimes I do acknowledge the opponent's play/skill even though I won or vice versa.Imo don't let it get to you(OP). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Celsith.2753 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 Anyone that takes the time to practise 1v1 is going to be better at it than players that don't. Does that make them better players? Not really in this game mode. Just as important is gauging the skill of the enemies in front of you, the likelyhood of your friendlies being helpful, knowing when to engage, when to string people out, etc. Some of the solos could really benefit from knowing when not to attack the 5 man that is watching them pass by, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinzsecond.4863 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I have met good ganking Players.I put a lot of effort into mobility when solo roaming, so for me it is quite easy: if they manage to catch up to me in 3v1/4v1/5v1 then there is at least one good Player among them. Otherwise I will just superspeed/leap away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry.5713 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 There are good gankers, there are bad gankers. There are good blobbers, there are bad blobbers. There are good roamers, there are bad roamers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fat Disgrace.4275 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 @Hitman.5829 said:Short answer YES.There is this core necro who always runs in a group and thinks he has skill by killing me in group, but I fought him alone and I rekt him so bad like a piñata with my core warrior and hammer build lol.Nerf warrior again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoknocks.4935 Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 @CETheLucid.3964 said:@whoknocks.4935 said:Are gankers bad players?That depends. Are you alive or are you dead after the encounter? :trollface: That's not the point as expected people cannot read.Mine was just a > @EremiteAngel.9765 said:@whoknocks.4935 said:Hello everyone,My question is simple, but I don't want to create some misunderstanding."Bad players" I mean players who lack skill and enough knowledge of the game to play their profession in a 1vs1.WvW is not a 1vs1 gamemode, and ganking is done by almost everyone to mantain partecipation and to get the heavy loot bag.But what I discovered during my roaming career is one thing.If I meet two or three players of the same guild, and I am alone and they attack me in a fair 1vs1 and the other 2 players just watch their mate, in this case those players are pretty good duelers and know how to fight on their profession.In all the other cases when people chased me 2vs1 3vs1 4vs1 5vs1 6vs1 and so on just to get the kill on me, with siege dropped after they got me, when I find one of those same guys alone in a 1vs1, even playing meta roaming builds, boonbeast, core war, condi mirage, everybody of them wasn't able to do anything in that 1vs1 and they barely dropped me under 80% health even tho silver gold platinum and mithrill rank and not at their first day of WvW.So my thought is: ganking will make you remain a bad player?I mean everyone is capable to go for clean up or outnumbered kills and win against one guy alone.Please don't say that WvW is not a 1vs1 gamemode etc.I know that already and people play the way they want to, but ganking has a price in my opinion, you won't improve as a player and at your profession.You're not wrong if these players exclusively participated in ganks only, then yes, the likelihood of them being less competent when alone is high.But I guess we can't really blanket all gankers under the same umbrella...Many top roaming guilds gank as well and every one of their members are competent when alone so...A reason why some guilds stop and give you that 1 vs 1 might be because they recognize you as skilled and want to test themselves against you.But if they are not in the mood to test their skills though...then I'm pretty sure they will gank you...just like the rest...And seeing that you are a mirage roamer...currently considered the most OP combat strength and overall roaming class, I'm not surprised that groups try and chase you to the ends of the earth =pRight now I am playing an off-meta chrono build that I personally theorycrafted and still work in progress, but that doesn't mean anything, groups chase me even if I play core mes core engi or any other build, they don't care.But yeah mine wasn't a rant against gankers, if they wanna play the game this way they can, it was just an observation during my roaming career, every single guy who ganked me in 2vs1, 3vs1 or more was so bad in 1vs1s even playing a roaming spec himself and being pretty high rank with many hours in wvw.Yesterday another episode while playing this chrono build, 2 thieves gank me 2vs1 and jump on me after they downed me.10 minutes later I find one of those thieves alone and he clearly as the upper hand as thief over chrono, countering me; well... he did reset the fight 3 times and he was coming back because I was spamming him the /beckon emote, 3 times he got out of combat to reset because he was about to die, he tried a fourth time, but this time without success and this time he got the jump bm from me. Of course he sent salty whispers, but that's another story xD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gehenna.3625 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I definitely suck at pvp, at least in GW2, so when I go wvw, I do it for the fun and the rewards. This thing that people have with 1v1 battles in a wvw zone makes no sense to me because that's not really what wvw is about in my view. So I gank and zerg because when I'm on my own looking for a group to follow I get ganked as well. It's all part of what wvw is really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dangus.6572 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 I've developed a certain roamers code which usually kills me :D. I never engage 1-3 roamer groups unless they attack me or start capturing objective I'm interested in. Sometimes when I meet someone at the camp or sentry which we both want to take - we duel. Winner takes objective, looser moves on. OK OK... sometimes I kill for [bloodlust x 5] :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen.6021 Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 @RangerThings.9810 said:OP I’m with you. Gankers are mostly subpar zerglings trying to 111 the bad man. But it’s a gift: how much fun is it stalking down that siege-slinging-salt-sprayer? Otherwise it’s just random speed bumps. Cherish it.—Gank build =/= 1v1 buildXv1 builds? We’ve peaked.You seems upset by gankers but anyway yea a gank build is about to go all offensive mostly, a gank build to spike and run away, cant sustain a decent 1v1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CETheLucid.3964 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 @whoknocks.4935 said:@CETheLucid.3964 said:@whoknocks.4935 said:Are gankers bad players?That depends. Are you alive or are you dead after the encounter? :trollface: That's not the point as expected people cannot read.Whatever you say loot bag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoV.5139 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Naaa - not everyone is built for roaming. If built to support a zerg they cant chase you 1v1 or else they get baited + killed. So they chase you 3v1 or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HazyDaisy.4107 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Show me a high KDR and I'll show you a server that outnumbered their opponents 3:1 in every skirmish they didn't run from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Za Shaloc.3908 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I don't think there is necessarily any correlation. As stated above, there are players of various skill levels in all WvW playstyles, and there are so many situations that have different contexts as to why somebody may be acting a certain way.However, it seems like many roamers (myself included) have their own weird sense of manners and honor that tends to contrast very sharply to a zerger's, and if you are able to adhere to those, respect is usually given. If other enemy roamers see you being respectful and falling within the "roamers code of ethics," if you will, this respect will often spread because these people tend to have a common goal and purpose, so I'd say there is frequently a certain degree of camaraderie. Oftentimes these players will be decent because they spend time roaming (oftentimes while outnumbered) and honing their fighting skills, so there is a possibility that they will be more skilled than somebody who outnumber-ganks all the time and doesn't have as much experience in fights not in their favor.This is of course a generalization. Everybody does a little bit of ganking. Everybody's a cunt at least once in a while. But most people that leave me alone and that I chill with are pretty good players (in my eyes). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 I am a good player. Am I not allowed to gank anymore?That sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoknocks.4935 Posted January 23, 2019 Author Share Posted January 23, 2019 @KrHome.1920 said:I am a good player. Am I not allowed to gank anymore?That sucks!As I said, people are free to play the way they like, but if you wanna become a better player don't make outnumbering fight an habitual thing, or when you will find a decent roamer around the map and nobody comes in your help you won't even realize why you got downed and he won.I found a lot of players who whispered me when they killed me 2vs1 thinking they were good and I had no chances even in if it was a 1vs1, dunno why but i proved all them wrong and some of them alone wasn't even able to drop me under 80% health.Last night 2 condi mirages ganked me and I was able to constantly down one of them, but then stupid downed state and ress I couldn't get the stomp or cleave, they added me and called me bot because I did have more than 3 clones up... and they said the maximum clones is 3.....And they were silver and gold rank... That's why ganking is bad, they didn't even have a clue of their OWN profession how it works... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigpapasmurf.5623 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 @whoknocks.4935 said:@KrHome.1920 said:I am a good player. Am I not allowed to gank anymore?That sucks!As I said, people are free to play the way they like, but if you wanna become a better player don't make outnumbering fight an habitual thing, or when you will find a decent roamer around the map and nobody comes in your help you won't even realize why you got downed and he won.I found a lot of players who whispered me when they killed me 2vs1 thinking they were good and I had no chances even in if it was a 1vs1, dunno why but i proved all them wrong and some of them alone wasn't even able to drop me under 80% health.Last night 2 condi mirages ganked me and I was able to constantly down one of them, but then stupid downed state and ress I couldn't get the stomp or cleave, they added me and called me bot because I did have more than 3 clones up... and they said the maximum clones is 3.....And they were silver and gold rank... That's why ganking is bad, they didn't even have a clue of their OWN profession how it works... Happened to me the other day too (the fighting 2 cancer mirages). Apparently as a DPS mirage I am a free meal for them.....til I ate them lol. They whispered me that I was cheating somehow and that despite me being a DPS mirage, I still did condi damage (I run a weapon that has condi application, although I am running Marauder/Valk everything + traveler runes).Asked them to tell me how much damage was done in condi to prove a point, didnt get a response, asked again then they blocked me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrHome.1920 Posted January 23, 2019 Share Posted January 23, 2019 Being called a cheater is the ultimate proof you are good. Happend to me even on necro. That's bonus points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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