Burial.1958 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 I really don't care what for a spec it will be. Anet will Nerf Thief even more so this class will be useless, no matter what spec it will be. You can sailor moon then some quaggans or cosplaying Harry Potter thats it. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nopoet.2960 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 4 hours ago, hatozeni.5721 said: If it is a Thief capable of using long distance magic it will be incredibly OP in pvp. It will probably fill the target with conditions so just swap to daggers to finish the thing. More so than deadeye? 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatozeni.5721 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 38 minutes ago, nopoet.2960 said: More so than deadeye? No. Deadeye is on another level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthernRedStar.3054 Posted October 3, 2021 Share Posted October 3, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, hatozeni.5721 said: If it is a Thief capable of using long distance magic it will be incredibly OP in pvp. It will probably fill the target with conditions so just swap to daggers to finish the thing. Doubt it will be long range. That'd feel too similar to deadeye, be hard to balance and completely undo certain utility and trait synergies. Edited October 3, 2021 by NorthernRedStar.3054 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hatozeni.5721 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 31 minutes ago, NorthernRedStar.3054 said: Doubt it will be long range. That'd feel too similar to deadeye, be hard to balance and completely undo certain utility and trait synergies. I really hope it's something quite different from all the thief specs. For this to happen really just adding shadow magic or a over power shadow form like the necro-reaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cynz.9437 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 On 10/2/2021 at 8:51 PM, MrForz.1953 said: It's not so much about need, it's just that a full blown support e-spec trait line will have a hard time synergizing with the remaining traits. If it's "support" it likely won't be traditional support. Druid would like to disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda.1967 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 On 10/2/2021 at 12:57 PM, Sobx.1758 said: The scepter in the image kind of makes me think it'll be some kind of thief+necro take on the class. Maybe steal turned into a stance/transformation skill with traits turning from "...on steal" to "your next attack applies..." after entering it. Or maybe it's just a thief that slaps people with scepter just like dd does with staff 😜 I suspect it is more of a Thief/Mesmer setup… after all A/Me was a fairly common combination in Factions, not just for players but for NPCs as well… I foresee a very Condition heavy spec, centered on Torment and Confusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panda.1967 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 3 hours ago, Cynz.9437 said: Druid would like to disagree. I think they meant that Thief lacks any core trait lines that play into support… Ranger has Wilderness Survival, which synergies great with Druid for a full support Ranger… but for a full support Thief, the full weight of that support functionality is on the elite spec, which doesn’t leave much room for synergies with any of the core trait lines. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeolus.3615 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 minute ago, Panda.1967 said: I think they meant that Thief lacks any core trait lines that play into support… Ranger has Wilderness Survival, which synergies great with Druid for a full support Ranger… but for a full support Thief, the full weight of that support functionality is on the elite spec, which doesn’t leave much room for synergies with any of the core trait lines. Shadow Form thief :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodama.6453 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 36 minutes ago, Panda.1967 said: I think they meant that Thief lacks any core trait lines that play into support… Ranger has Wilderness Survival, which synergies great with Druid for a full support Ranger… but for a full support Thief, the full weight of that support functionality is on the elite spec, which doesn’t leave much room for synergies with any of the core trait lines. I think you meant nature magic feeding into a support ranger playstyle, wilderness survival is more about personal sustain and conditions. Thief also has trait lines in core which feed into a support playstyle. Shadow arts has traits which allow you to heal allies by applying stealth to them and by shadowstepping. Trickery allows you to share boons with allies around you. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xanhawk.3806 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Panda.1967 said: I think they meant that Thief lacks any core trait lines that play into support… Ranger has Wilderness Survival, which synergies great with Druid for a full support Ranger… but for a full support Thief, the full weight of that support functionality is on the elite spec, which doesn’t leave much room for synergies with any of the core trait lines. Shadow Arts has built in Healing with Stealth and Shadow Stepping for allies. Trickery has built in Boon share upon stealing. Thief has two core support trait lines, they just aren't good like Ranger's. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tails.9372 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Kodama.6453 said: Shadow arts has traits which allow you to heal allies by applying stealth to them That's not really usable for consistent support unless the new e-spec is constantly pulsing stealth that also removes the revealed debuff or something on that level. Edited October 4, 2021 by Tails.9372 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
draxynnic.3719 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Or make it so that being Revealed out of a stealth that was applied by the thief still counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tails.9372 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, draxynnic.3719 said: Or make it so that being Revealed out of a stealth that was applied by the thief still counts. Which would put a 3-4 sec. CD on a base 130 HP heal, unless everyone else just stops attacking, and thus rendering it effectively useless as an in combat heal support. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatore.3749 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 I keep seeing some kind of portal behind them and some kind of cutting motion with the scepter. It is cutting shadow blades at mid range and warping in and out of combat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvatore.3749 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 On 10/3/2021 at 4:13 AM, Fueki.4753 said: To me, that weapon looks more like an Axe than a Sceptre. It looks like it is making a cutting motion. I keep think of the Oni's claws from GW1 where they would teleport and slash you with their claws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyuDragnier.9476 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 4 hours ago, Tails.9372 said: That's not really usable for consistent support unless the new e-spec is constantly pulsing stealth that also removes the revealed debuff or something on that level. Or they're losing stealth for some new spec mechanic that synergizes with the traits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Svarty.8019 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 17 hours ago, Grebcol.5984 said: Anet will Nerf Thief even more so this class will be useless, no matter what spec it will be. The core stealth-and-teleport mechanic is so outrageously overpowered that it means all the other aspects of the class will be nerfed to oblivion. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kodama.6453 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Tails.9372 said: Which would put a 3-4 sec. CD on a base 130 HP heal, unless everyone else just stops attacking, and thus rendering it effectively useless as an in combat heal support. One step further: put the healing on everything which causes stealth from thief, healing allies regardless of them getting stealthed or not. This way you still get the healing without the cooldown of being restricted by revealed or anything. Stuff like shadow refuge will keep pulsing healing every second, even if your allies are revealed by constantly attacking an enemy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Maybe shadowform tank? Stealth replaced with short duration, large stacks of defensive booms? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ens.9854 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 Hope it's support and not condi. A wall that makes projectiles unblockable (with a cool shadow effect) would give it an instant spot in WvW. We already deal with enough kitten condi thiefs. Unsurprisingly it looks like scepter mainhand, so probably ranged. So we have scepter/dagger and scepter/pistol. Hopefully the dual skills are also ranged, and there is a way to make use of pistol 5 (blast please?) or else it will go the way of sword/pistol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Fey.1035 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 I'm hoping for minions of a sort. I liked the whole gang-warfare aspect of Kaineng back in GW:Factions. Either that, or do a complete 180 (360/540/720/900/1080) and the Elite Spec is the "enforcer" of the Ministry of Purity. It would be slightly amusing having the new thief E-spec being dressed in all white to match the Ministry, and yet it actually would be fitting lore-wise because they used a lot of assassins and underhanded techniques to decimate the competition and secure their place as the right hand of the Canthan throne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Geoff Fey.1035 said: I'm hoping for minions of a sort. I've always had a fondness for the Thieve's Guild elite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Psycoprophet.8107 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 2 hours ago, ens.9854 said: Hope it's support and not condi. A wall that makes projectiles unblockable (with a cool shadow effect) would give it an instant spot in WvW. We already deal with enough kitten condi thiefs. Unsurprisingly it looks like scepter mainhand, so probably ranged. So we have scepter/dagger and scepter/pistol. Hopefully the dual skills are also ranged, and there is a way to make use of pistol 5 (blast please?) or else it will go the way of sword/pistol. If it was decent ranged aoe spec that did decent dps to groups of 5 at a time it would be a welcomed dps class for blob play like hammer rev or scourge, imagine it could spam aoe circles like scourge does while doing good dps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ens.9854 Posted October 4, 2021 Share Posted October 4, 2021 (edited) Actually, anyone notice that he doesn't even HAVE an offhand weapon in the teaser? Intentional? Don't teaser me like this anet. Edited October 4, 2021 by ens.9854 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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