Gibson.4036 Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 9 hours ago, lezbefriends.7516 said: I hate when people say this. If you want day-to-day politics, play IRL instead. Charr civil war is commonplace politics where you live!?! 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashantara.8731 Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 (edited) Story is the backbone of the game, and I am glad that they are not completely dropping it. If it was up to me, they could be releasing story content on a weekly basis, no problemo. 😀 Edited March 5, 2023 by Ashantara.8731 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serow.6524 Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 (edited) I prefer that just for once they stop adding maps every patch and focus on telling a good story. The world is already crazy huge with the ridiculous number of events with every new map that comes with another endless thing to farm, it's starting to get way too bloated. If need be, make use of existing maps, add new events there! Edited March 5, 2023 by serow.6524 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiceDead.1963 Posted March 5, 2023 Share Posted March 5, 2023 Only inclusion I want that is story related is a big'ol SKIP-BLABBERY button. Replaying the story is such a goddamn chore and most of the time I aint invested anyway. The story they are trying to tell lost me at the end of the last LS. 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLadyOfTheRings.9148 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 I just want new content to take my main to. I don't care if it's a new story chapter or a new fractal. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 19 hours ago, TwiceDead.1963 said: Only inclusion I want that is story related is a big'ol SKIP-BLABBERY button. Can I get this IRL, please? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lezbefriends.7516 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 On 3/5/2023 at 9:16 AM, Gibson.4036 said: Charr civil war is commonplace politics where you live!?! Writers are not influenced by real world events in their fiction? 2 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythical.6315 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 More story and less open world filler segments. 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 32 minutes ago, lezbefriends.7516 said: Writers are not influenced by real world events in their fiction? I’m astounded you saw that implied anywhere in my post. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mythical.6315 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 3 minutes ago, Gibson.4036 said: I’m astounded you saw that implied anywhere in my post. Well considering that you responded to their post about people wanting to play day to day politics to play IRL instead by bringing up the charr civil war... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted March 6, 2023 Share Posted March 6, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, mythical.6315 said: Well considering that you responded to their post about people wanting to play day to day politics to play IRL instead by bringing up the charr civil war... I didn’t bring up the Charr Civil war. The post they responded to did. Go back one more post in the chain. Edited March 6, 2023 by Gibson.4036 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aralicia.6157 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 1:17 PM, Gehenna.3625 said: Yeah speaking from the point of view of the vanilla story, you're a hero before you hit level 2. That's... debatable. The human character is arguably the most "heroic" at level 2, being called the "hero of shaemoor" by some npcs; but he's not actually important, and (depending on your creation choices) gets involved in a gang fight, nearly arrested by the guard, or attacked by kidnappers. Asura characters help with handling a inquest-triggered golem rampage... which doesn't seem to that rare an occurrence, looking at the rest of their story. Norn characters are the winner of the Great Hunt, an annual tradition, meaning there's at least two dozen guys like them from past years. Charrs have the fortune of helping a Tribune with dealing with a powerful ghost... at the cost of wiping nearly all of their warband; and they get sent back to work immediately after. And sylvari... well sylvari get to exist and have a wyld hunt. Â By the end of the tutorial, the protagonist is a local celebrity at best, and a nobody with a bit of talent at worst. They do progress quickly tho, and have at least one very public achievement by the end of the racial part of the storyline (level 30). Â ======= On the subject of the thread : The poll has the issue to be completely black and white. No story ever again; or all the story all the time. There is a middle ground. Not all releases have to be about story, and some already aren't (the amount dependent on what each people consider to be content). But story releases also are important. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lezbefriends.7516 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Gibson.4036 said: I’m astounded you saw that implied anywhere in my post. Charr civil war would be written by humans, so it's silly to say it's not "commonplace politics." You'd get IRL politics in a Guild Wars skin. The parts of it that would too unbelievable to be fiction, such as a hero killing 1,000 mobs, go against the philosophy of keeping things less "grand" in scale, which the person I originally quoted wanted.  On the other hand, there is no real life precedent to saving the universe, so that would make more sense to be a work of fiction, especially one that is intended to provide escapism. Edited March 7, 2023 by lezbefriends.7516 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vicky.9751 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 (edited) On 3/4/2023 at 1:21 AM, Ultramex.1506 said: I prefer down-to-earth story like Charr civil war, not another Saving the Universe I've noticed this trope even happened with ffxiv last year. In both games you start out learning about the city-states and population enemies.. Somehow end up needing to save the universe in both games. I am a little burned out of many games trying to come up with the next "Thanos" enemy. Edited March 7, 2023 by vicky.9751 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 1 hour ago, lezbefriends.7516 said: Charr civil war would be written by humans, so it's silly to say it's not "commonplace politics." You'd get IRL politics in a Guild Wars skin. The parts of it that would too unbelievable to be fiction, such as a hero killing 1,000 mobs, go against the philosophy of keeping things less "grand" in scale, which the person I originally quoted wanted.  On the other hand, there is no real life precedent to saving the universe, so that would make more sense to be a work of fiction, especially one that is intended to provide escapism. I'm not sure how you expect GW2 to have stories not "written by humans". 😄 But seriously, I'd say there's a lot of ground between "commonplace politics" and "cosmic threats". It's not like civil wars happen in half the countries half the time. They're pretty remarkable events. But it seems you don't want anything that is even close to something that happens in the real world. That's a very narrow set of stories. To each their own. I find the most engaging fantasy to be those that explore the human condition, so to speak. Tolkien's work reflected war against totalitarianism and the spirit of unchecked industry and materialism. Jemesin wrote about people living on a planet that almost destroys itself periodically with extreme tectonic shifts, but she's really exploring a society that lives on the back of an oppressed people. Mountain sized, beyond-our-understanding threats become boring pretty quickly. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlenaVolkova.8179 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 We definitely can use more stories as it's a useful way to introduce players into new maps, and the story needs to be done right and gracefully, rather than going bullet train pace all of a sudden the moment I am aboard. Â 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragenstein.2671 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 I want a story WITHOUT Gorrik and Taimi yelling at me all the time. 7 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chyro.1462 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 5 hours ago, Dragenstein.2671 said: I want a story WITHOUT Gorrik and Taimi yelling at me all the time. BUT COMMANDER! What about this new super advanced piece of technology that I need to tell you about and shows how genius I am? 4 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astralporing.1957 Posted March 7, 2023 Share Posted March 7, 2023 2 hours ago, Chyro.1462 said: BUT COMMANDER! What about this new super advanced piece of technology that I need to tell you about and shows how genius I am? I'm quite sure that all the Asura players could design their own marvelous technology if the story didn't treat them as incompetent compared to the genius NPC. 5 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anninke.7469 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 20 hours ago, Chyro.1462 said: BUT COMMANDER! What about this new super advanced piece of technology that I need to tell you about and shows how genius I am? And preferably test it on you. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSD.4673 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 On 3/4/2023 at 6:21 AM, Ultramex.1506 said: I prefer down-to-earth story like Charr civil war, not another Saving the Universe "Down to earth". I don't think that means what you think it means. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibson.4036 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, LSD.4673 said: "Down to earth". I don't think that means what you think it means. Their use makes sense in relative terms. Mortals fighting over leadership is more down to earth than flying a dragon into the psyche of a mountain-sized force of nature to battle aspects of its inner turmoil. Edited March 8, 2023 by Gibson.4036 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberzombie.7348 Posted March 8, 2023 Share Posted March 8, 2023 (edited) On 3/4/2023 at 4:17 AM, Gehenna.3625 said: Yeah speaking from the point of view of the vanilla story, you're a hero before you hit level 2. The problem with that is that you cannot go down from there without feeling disappointed. And so we got these massive fights with dragons and gods. I mean how many dragons have we defeated by now? I lost count. It would be a lot better for the new story line to start much lower and build up slower. Just my opinion. Anet seems to think that they need to go over the top all the time. And that's kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy if you think about it. Ditto On 3/5/2023 at 1:51 AM, Ultramex.1506 said: I hate when people say this as if it's always "politic iz baddd", as if fantasy game world building and story doesn't have them, Charr vs Human in gw1 where the Charr is trying to retake Ascalon, the White Mantle, in gw2 we have the separatist and the renegade from Human and Charr respectively due to Ebonhawke treaty, then there the World Summit of leader of all 5 races together From a personal perspective, integrating politics isn't bad. But the handling of EoD's political climate was pretty negligent compared to earlier stories. Typically such facets in story telling requires nuances and sound opinions from all fractions. So it lets the player form their own perspective, and explain why an opposing fraction is so prominent. Kind of like the scene in PoF where you had to choose whom will Amnoon side with for protection against the Forge. With each person having varying opinions expressing the pros and cons for each choice. Edited March 8, 2023 by cyberzombie.7348 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamyAbaddon.3265 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 I play games not just for the gameplay but for the story... The adventure. If anything, I believe ArenaNet should learn from Final Fantasy 11 and Final Fantasy 14. Those two MMOs have fantastic story and tons of cutscenes and missions and battles and how they present them is great. However, ArenaNet should continue deliverying them using GW2's Dynamic Event method and Story Instances since it works best for this game. Â If Story is not expanded on in meaningful ways, then my interest for the game will die and I would considered this game finished and move on to FF14 (Which I want to avoid because combat sucks there and I don't want to pay subs) Plus, I kinda HATE Square Enix's business model for mmos. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hector.7806 Posted March 11, 2023 Share Posted March 11, 2023 On 3/5/2023 at 3:38 PM, serow.6524 said: I prefer that just for once they stop adding maps every patch and focus on telling a good story. The world is already crazy huge with the ridiculous number of events with every new map that comes with another endless thing to farm, it's starting to get way too bloated. If need be, make use of existing maps, add new events there! Disagree. New maps are always cool. I want to have it all. Mountains, swamps, islands, plains, caves, underground, icy terrain, fiery terrain, dunes, sand, jungle, give me more and more maps 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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