RegudonNA.4630 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Trait does quite a bit of damage and applies weakness - one of the strongest conditions In the game. Theres been other complaints about earth shield (which is fine) but the the complaints come from lightning rod. There have been complaints about shocking aura and lightning hammer... when the problems come from lightning rod.It does too much and is flying under the radar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mega.5791 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 @RegudonNA.4630 said:Trait does quite a bit of damage and applies weakness - one of the strongest conditions In the game. Theres been other complaints about earth shield (which is fine) but the the complaints come from lightning rod. There have been complaints about shocking aura and lightning hammer... when the problems come from lightning rod.It does too much and is flying under the radar.While I don't think the build is problemativ (yet), I agree it has a strong nieche: Which is fighting power specs. As long as there are condi builds coutnering it, it should be fine. But if conditions get nerfed, this will become an issue.Suggestion: Reduce the weakness duration if you nerf conditions with the next patch (looking at you, condi rev). Alternatively bring an internal CD, but I don't like those. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNOwen.7132 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 I wouldnt mind Lightning Rod so much if it werent for the fact that the already much weaker Pulmonary Impact got a severe overnerf (That made it a useless trait no build ever picks), while it got away practically unhit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
storm.3120 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 @Megametzler.5729 said:@RegudonNA.4630 said:Trait does quite a bit of damage and applies weakness - one of the strongest conditions In the game. Theres been other complaints about earth shield (which is fine) but the the complaints come from lightning rod. There have been complaints about shocking aura and lightning hammer... when the problems come from lightning rod.It does too much and is flying under the radar.While I don't think the build is problemativ (yet), I agree it has a strong nieche: Which is fighting power specs. As long as there are condi builds coutnering it, it should be fine. But if conditions get nerfed, this will become an issue.Suggestion: Reduce the weakness duration if you nerf conditions with the next patch (looking at you, condi rev). Alternatively bring an internal CD, but I don't like those.Spam CC to kill your enemy and weakness kills power damage. (literally opposite to their own statement about CC shouldnt do damage).Brainless CC spam shouldnt be rewared.Its literally aids regardless of that you say condi builds can counter it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GewRoo.4172 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Ofc it needs a look - tune down dmg and I am fine with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Should be on interrupt only. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kuro.8937 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Fire + Air talent trees , are offensive and offers less survibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPuppy.8970 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Will there be any good trait left? Even with LR, Ele damage is far from crazy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
azzardome.9184 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 back to water weaver i guess :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 seems like they forgot to change it to +100% critical damage / reduced coefficient like they did other similar things (static discharge). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avatar.3568 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Lightning rod is actually weaker than stone shield Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 @Avatar.3568 said:Lightning rod is actually weaker than stone shieldRanger hard counters most LR builds.Stone shield is a soft counter to rangers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stallic.2397 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Anyone have a post of the "high" damage lightning Rod does? The 5k hits Ele can accomplish are usually from Dual skills and 3rd weapon skills, not lightning Rod.CC's are very oppressive in this Meta due to the lack of stability, high stun breaks CD's, etc. Not because lightning Rod is OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazsi.2734 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 It's weird that after the "CC-s should do no damage" patch one of the best ele builds kill targets by spamming CC. Apart from that contradition to the core design philosophy, it's crazy fun to play this build in unranked. Condition damage or CC lockdown hardcounters it. Once you cannot stay on the offense you either run or you die. Maybe if I get better with it I can say for sure it it's truly broken or not.Also, don't nerf condi. It keeps builds like this in check. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shao.7236 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Glad someone took the initiative to mention it, I was feeling lazy lately as all I've been seeing is pretty much that when it comes to Elementalist and it's honestly really oppressive in 2v2's when you already have something else that inflict just as much pressure because of the CC that constantly comes stops you from doing anything if you don't have stability, if you are power you're pretty much done for because you can't pressure back without a clear. In 1v1's it's manageable but stability is an absolute must As some said in the past already, it should only be casted on interrupt in the new meta, it's too good for how little effort it takes and sustain did take a hit. Tbh, it's not like it's hard to interrupt people when it takes a lot of key presses to do anything now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stand The Wall.6987 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 @"Stallic.2397" said:Anyone have a post of the "high" damage lightning Rod does?I think it hit me for 3k once, usually does half that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arheundel.6451 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 @"MyPuppy.8970" said:Will there be any good trait left? Even with LR, Ele damage is far from crazy...Nope...they will go complain about fire weaver after lightning rod...."too much burning still" they will say..then they will jump on water weaver...."too much sustain still"...then will jump on tempest..."too much..huh...cleansing yeah"...then they will jump on core ele :-) ..."too much..huh...well..whatever is left to nerf"...basically no.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimjack.8130 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 hi helio :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcastus.6240 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 @Stand The Wall.6987 said:@"Stallic.2397" said:Anyone have a post of the "high" damage lightning Rod does?I think it hit me for 3k once, usually does half that.I barely did that damage pre-nerf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 @Malcastus.6240 said:I barely did that damage pre-nerf. It does 2.5kish per proc afaik, if traited correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreams.3128 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Well back to core elementalist since everyone wants to hammer the damn class into non-existence. Got FA nerfed, got Fire weaver nerfed, got water sword nerfed, celestial DD nerfed, cantrips, useless traits, obsidian reworked four times, staff doing no damage, frostbow no damage, focus are only defense lifeline, ToF pointless, stability gutted.When are y'all gonna GIVE??? Look what you did to scrapper?? Look what you did to mirage, to scourge, gunflame, Warrior dagger, most of the spell breaker skills, Steal, Core Guardian AND Dragonhunter, Chronomancer. The list is practically endless with what THESE particular forums has caused. I actually need to know when is enough is enough, because, my word, we can't have ANY specializations do anything unique unless it is like Core Revenant/Renegade tier. And this is going for ALL classes at this point, not just my mains or other people's mains. The worst part is Anet LISTENS to this and actually believes this is constructive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazsi.2734 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 @Lilyanna.9361 said:Well back to core elementalist since everyone wants to hammer the kitten class into non-existence. Got FA nerfed, got Fire weaver nerfed, got water sword nerfed, celestial DD nerfed, cantrips, useless traits, obsidian reworked four times, staff doing no damage, frostbow no damage, focus are only defense lifeline, ToF pointless, stability gutted.When are y'all gonna GIVE??? Look what you did to scrapper?? Look what you did to mirage, to scourge, gunflame, Warrior dagger, most of the spell breaker skills, Steal, Core Guardian AND Dragonhunter, Chronomancer. The list is practically endless with what THESE particular forums has caused. I actually need to know when is enough is enough, because, my word, we can't have ANY specializations do anything unique unless it is like Core Revenant/Renegade tier. And this is going for ALL classes at this point, not just my mains or other people's mains. The worst part is Anet LISTENS to this and actually believes this is constructive.Almost none of those nerfs were bad things though. LoL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shadowpass.4236 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 @Tayga.3192 said:@Avatar.3568 said:Lightning rod is actually weaker than stone shieldRanger hard counters most LR builds.Stone shield is a soft counter to rangers.Lightning Rod Weaver counters rangers pretty well.There are a ton of projectile denials on d/f for the longbow and the shocking aura, CCs, unblockable knockdown, weakness, and blind counters gs.Rangers can't even use Lightning Reflexes vs. shocking aura because it stuns us immediately after the stunbreak.The only ranger build that is a pretty good counter to d/f weaver is the immobilize spam druid but that's just because the weaver build can't get rid of the immobilize very easily because it prevents cleansing wave on dodge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tayga.3192 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 @shadowpass.4236 said:Lightning Rod Weaver counters rangers pretty well.There are a ton of projectile denials on d/f for the longbow and the shocking aura, CCs, unblockable knockdown, weakness, and blind counters gs.Rangers can't even use Lightning Reflexes vs. shocking aura because it stuns us immediately after the stunbreak.I should've mentioned I meant on open field, not on node.LR weaver doesn't even use teleport so it can't catch up with a kiting ranger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
primatos.5413 Posted March 20, 2020 Share Posted March 20, 2020 Uh counter to 1500+ range noooo ranger znplayable 111 nref nref Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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