More than Achievements

[LordMorgul.9845]

So when all of us have a squad or party, and we pass the mouse over the party members we can see theyr achievements count and name, so why don't improve this function like puttin the number of successfull bosses on raids or the cm numbers in fractals, i tink anet can easy do that like they have putted the amount of agony in fractals, so they can put more info for the pp we got in party so we can avoid pp that fakes theyr skills or the need to ask or ping kp. i tink this will improve the quality of life in game.

[AgentMoore.9453]

Achievement points can be gotten in a variety of ways and are kind of a casual vanity to have attached to your account. They don't imply that you're particularly good (or bad) at any specific part of the game, just that you've played different parts of it and have been around long enough to do so. This kind of general vanity doesn't invite ire, and is usually more useful to the person who earned the AP than the person seeing the total number - The logic is the same with mastery points which you start accruing after level 80.

Adding what you suggest would not only invite confrontation (by singling out specific things you have/have not done on the account to complete strangers), but it'd clutter up the screen. Even titles, which are awarded for completing specific achievements, can be turned on and off so that you always have a choice of whether or not to broadcast that you've done something specific to other players.

Why do you deserve to see what someone has or hasn't done in a mouseover when you could socialize and just ask that person?

[Justine.6351]

Wow this wouldn't turn toxic fast rofl.

[Inculpatus cedo.9234]

You can see their Achievement Point total? I thought one could only see Level or Mastery Rank (as far as numbers go).

Interesting.

[Ayrilana.1396]

@LordMorgul.9845 said:So when all of us have a squad or party, and we pass the mouse over the party members we can see theyr achievements count and name, so why don't improve this function like puttin the number of successfull bosses on raids or the cm numbers in fractals, i tink anet can easy do that like they have putted the amount of agony in fractals, so they can put more info for the pp we got in party so we can avoid pp that fakes theyr skills or the need to ask or ping kp. i tink this will improve the quality of life in game.

How would your suggestion separate out someone that has done escort and trio for years but none of the other raid bosses?

[Fueki.4753]

I don't need or want elite info to clutter my casual UI.

[lare.5129]

on some games I can select player, choose achievements, and open achievements tab, also I can compare whit myself, view, and etc.may be this is ok, may be not.

[Etria.3642]

I both like and dislike this in swtor--you can easily click on someone, see that they have completed the 25x achievement and know you don't need to explain the mechanics of the flashpoint boss. Or see the zero and just explain. For some reason, if you just ASK in group if they need an explanation, probably 90 percent of the time you get zero response, either yes or no. I don't get it. While, yes, there are certainly easy flashpoints and raids, there are also others that are impossible to complete if all you do is throw yourself at the boss. I wouldn't ASK if you needed an explanation if knowledge of the mechanics wasn't necessary.

Folks do sometimes get toxic, especially because it also records WHEN you got the achievement. So someone who, say, completed one of the raids right on release when usually they are tougher, or, conversely, got the achievement during a time when something was underpowered, overpowered, or there was a "cheese" available will either be able to flaunt it or else cringe when someone sees the date, even though they may have completed it legitimately, or currently. An example is the Dread Fortress raid. I fully admit, I originally did this when the level cap hadn't been synced. It was /considerably/ easier then. However, I have also since completed it numerous upon numerous times to help others get the reallycoolawesome mount, but my achievement will always carry the date/timestamp of when it was easy.

To correlate this to Guild Wars2, take strikes. Shiverpeaks is easy peasy. I don't even bother asking if folks know it. Go into Whisper though, and it's an entirely different matter. I would really like to ensure that folks know what to do when they get chains. Form a squad. When I form, I only do so when I have the core folks I need, so anyone else can do whatever. I ASK. Does everyone know this? Crickets. Nothing. No yep, got this, no never done this before. Nothing. They sit there expectantly waiting for a ready check. It is so frustrating. Is it THAT HARD to say please explain? I said in my lfg no exp necessary. Consequently I am not going to kick you if you have no experience but gosh dang, if you've already done it 10 times I'd rather not explain, and if you have NOT I don't mind explaining!

[Danikat.8537]

Does the game even track this info? Achievement points and agony are recorded, but I'm not sure the game even records how many times you've killed each boss, so there's nothing for it to show.

[Linken.6345]

@"Danikat.8537" said:Does the game even track this info? Achievement points and agony are recorded, but I'm not sure the game even records how many times you've killed each boss, so there's nothing for it to show.

apparenlty its tracked in the api since if it wasent pages like this wouldent work

https://killproof.me/sample

[Schimmi.6872]

@Linken.6345 said:

@"Danikat.8537" said:Does the game even track this info? Achievement points and agony are recorded, but I'm not sure the game even records how many times you've killed each boss, so there's nothing for it to show.

apparenlty its tracked in the api since if it wasent pages like this wouldent work

https://killproof.me/sample

Afaik the api only tracks the kills for the current week (for raids), the linked website just stores the data starting with the date of your registration.

[yoni.7015]

@LordMorgul.9845 said:So when all of us have a squad or party, and we pass the mouse over the party members we can see theyr achievements count and name, so why don't improve this function like puttin the number of successfull bosses on raids or the cm numbers in fractals, i tink anet can easy do that like they have putted the amount of agony in fractals, so they can put more info for the pp we got in party so we can avoid pp that fakes theyr skills or the need to ask or ping kp. i tink this will improve the quality of life in game.

No thanks! One of the worst suggestions I have read here in a long time.

[Rasimir.6239]

@"Etria.3642" said:To correlate this to Guild Wars2, take strikes. Shiverpeaks is easy peasy. I don't even bother asking if folks know it. Go into Whisper though, and it's an entirely different matter. I would really like to ensure that folks know what to do when they get chains. Form a squad. When I form, I only do so when I have the core folks I need, so anyone else can do whatever. I ASK. Does everyone know this? Crickets. Nothing. No yep, got this, no never done this before. Nothing. They sit there expectantly waiting for a ready check. It is so frustrating. Is it THAT HARD to say please explain? I said in my lfg no exp necessary. Consequently I am not going to kick you if you have no experience but gosh dang, if you've already done it 10 times I'd rather not explain, and if you have NOT I don't mind explaining!It can be frustrating for both parts. If you've been called out unfairly once or twice, you get vary of outing yourself as inexperienced to strangers without need.

For example a while back I was running CoF p2, advertising the run with "everyone welcome". I asked and one person honestly responded he was running the dungeon for the first time, so I proceeded to give just a few quick explanations wherever I thought them necessary. Somebody else however proceeded to run ahead impatiently, mess things up, then got nasty about how people shouldn't run dungeons without familiarizing themselves with the mechanics on youtube before they bother others. Totally irational and unneeded in my view, but I could understand that somebody who ended up in such a situation as an inexperienced player wouldn't say a word next time but just try to muddle through.

There's many people out there who are welcoming to others and just try to make things work instead of putting the blame on others, but it only takes a few rotten eggs to sour everyone, and humanity unfortunately has enough of those that you have a fair chance of encountering them in game, too.

[Kulvar.1239]

@"Etria.3642" said:I both like and dislike this in swtor--you can easily click on someone, see that they have completed the 25x achievement and know you don't need to explain the mechanics of the flashpoint boss. Or see the zero and just explain. For some reason, if you just ASK in group if they need an explanation, probably 90 percent of the time you get zero response, either yes or no. I don't get it. While, yes, there are certainly easy flashpoints and raids, there are also others that are impossible to complete if all you do is throw yourself at the boss. I wouldn't ASK if you needed an explanation if knowledge of the mechanics wasn't necessary.

Folks do sometimes get toxic, especially because it also records WHEN you got the achievement. So someone who, say, completed one of the raids right on release when usually they are tougher, or, conversely, got the achievement during a time when something was underpowered, overpowered, or there was a "cheese" available will either be able to flaunt it or else cringe when someone sees the date, even though they may have completed it legitimately, or currently. An example is the Dread Fortress raid. I fully admit, I originally did this when the level cap hadn't been synced. It was /considerably/ easier then. However, I have also since completed it numerous upon numerous times to help others get the reallycoolawesome mount, but my achievement will always carry the date/timestamp of when it was easy.

To correlate this to Guild Wars2, take strikes. Shiverpeaks is easy peasy. I don't even bother asking if folks know it. Go into Whisper though, and it's an entirely different matter. I would really like to ensure that folks know what to do when they get chains. Form a squad. When I form, I only do so when I have the core folks I need, so anyone else can do whatever. I ASK. Does everyone know this? Crickets. Nothing. No yep, got this, no never done this before. Nothing. They sit there expectantly waiting for a ready check. It is so frustrating. Is it THAT HARD to say please explain? I said in my lfg no exp necessary. Consequently I am not going to kick you if you have no experience but gosh dang, if you've already done it 10 times I'd rather not explain, and if you have NOT I don't mind explaining!

People often fear to say they don't know because they assume they'll get kicked.Some people are just too lazy to bother and want to be carried too.

[Turkeyspit.3965]

If I cannot right-click to inspect their gear and build, no other information is even remotely useful.

Having 32K achievement points and Fractal God just means your account is very old (and maybe not even being played by the same person), and every raid title and LNHB can be purchased. Sure Occams Razor, and while none of these things indicate any degree of knowledge, experience, or proficiency for the content at hand, neither would seeing a build/gear copy/pasta from metabattle.

And see there is the rub: everyone automatically assumes being able to inspect other people's gear would guarantee toxicity. Well what do I do when I'm on a Power Reaper pulling 16k on a boss fight, and another Power Reaper is doing 6k, less than the Alacrigade? Well if I could check his build and armory, and see full zerk and the right traits, it's clearly just an issue of practice with the mechanics, rotation, etc. But if I were able to see that player had full Soldiers gear on or something, then a quick whisper to let them know why their gear choices is holding them back could make all the difference.

But feelings over facts - that's all that matters these days.

[Randulf.7614]

@Turkeyspit.3965 said:If I cannot right-click to inspect their gear and build, no other information is even remotely useful.

Having 32K achievement points and Fractal God just means your account is very old (and maybe not even being played by the same person), and every raid title and LNHB can be purchased. Sure Occams Razor, and while none of these things indicate any degree of knowledge, experience, or proficiency for the content at hand, neither would seeing a build/gear copy/pasta from metabattle.

And see there is the rub: everyone automatically assumes being able to inspect other people's gear would guarantee toxicity. Well what do I do when I'm on a Power Reaper pulling 16k on a boss fight, and another Power Reaper is doing 6k, less than the Alacrigade? Well if I could check his build and armory, and see full zerk and the right traits, it's clearly just an issue of practice with the mechanics, rotation, etc. But if I were able to see that player had full Soldiers gear on or something, then a quick whisper to let them know why their gear choices is holding them back could make all the difference.

But feelings over facts - that's all that matters these days.

The difference is though that you are using gear inspect correctly. Many others use it on games just to belittle others and insert their supposed superiority which is where the bad rep comes from. It is just a game and game tools should not be used to encourage further belittling because all that does is widen the schizm.

[HnRkLnXqZ.1870]

The AP counter is already problematic. Some of us have been here since launch or even beta. We already had an era, where your skill was judged by your AP count only. I remember LFGs for COF1 that required 3k+ or 6k+.

Did it help? Not at all. Your system would not be much better. For example, I gear my useful characters in full ascended + fractal ready (= 150 AR). I own a lot of infusions on my account. But I play mostly T1 & T2. I love guiding people, introducing them into the system and the mechanics (they never use in professional runs, as everything is skipped/outhealed). I also like doing certain achievements and collections with people - the fun stuff, not the farming. I even own a couple of the annoying achievements. But I would be an absolutely horrible addition to your team, as I play no meta-builds and not really care about DPS at all. But the stats would look great.

With the AP check it was even worse. Even checking the dungeon-sets was a horrible way to check the skill, thanks to the reward-track acquisition. I have met amazing players who had the entire Arah collection unlocked, without setting even a toe into any path but story.

How about this?Your sub-community already has guilds with special invitation-requirements. Make a list with those guilds. Only group with players who meet your personal quality-standards.

[LordMorgul.9845]

@Randulf.7614 said:

@Turkeyspit.3965 said:If I cannot right-click to inspect their gear and build, no other information is even remotely useful.

Having 32K achievement points and Fractal God just means your account is very old (and maybe not even being played by the same person), and every raid title and LNHB can be purchased. Sure Occams Razor, and while none of these things indicate any degree of knowledge, experience, or proficiency for the content at hand, neither would seeing a build/gear copy/pasta from metabattle.

And see there is the rub: everyone automatically assumes being able to inspect other people's gear would guarantee toxicity. Well what do I do when I'm on a Power Reaper pulling 16k on a boss fight, and another Power Reaper is doing 6k, less than the Alacrigade? Well if I could check his build and armory, and see full zerk and the right traits, it's clearly just an issue of practice with the mechanics, rotation, etc. But if I were able to see that player had full Soldiers gear on or something, then a quick whisper to let them know why their gear choices is holding them back could make all the difference.

But feelings over facts - that's all that matters these days.

The difference is though that you are using gear inspect correctly. Many others use it on games just to belittle others and insert their supposed superiority which is where the bad rep comes from. It is just a game and game tools should not be used to encourage further belittling because all that does is widen the schizm.

the betletting is already on whit the ask of kp and the dps check, but it get more toxic and frustating when pp whit right kp is on party whit fakers or carry pp that do 6k dps, also this week we see pp like that, 70+kp no know mech no dmg no nothing, or pp that being toxic for raid or cm fails and he was the cause, or pp that just gotted some kp and find hiself and expert and mock others, or pp that buy the commie and does even know how to command -.-, so my idea i know can be toxic in some way but i just want to see the REAL experience someone has, to avoid scammers and pp whit bad beahaviours, and i have see in some dg the ask of AP like: more than 10k or 30k only; so this thing is already in the game, and if i want to play whit experienced i need to see how good they are, no to carry who i don't want to, and i carry a lot of newbie from guild and external pugs but when i want to do my things i want to do fast and clear becouse like proverb said time is gold

[Linken.6345]

@LordMorgul.9845 said:

@Randulf.7614 said:

@Turkeyspit.3965 said:If I cannot right-click to inspect their gear and build, no other information is even remotely useful.

Having 32K achievement points and Fractal God just means your account is very old (and maybe not even being played by the same person), and every raid title and LNHB can be purchased. Sure Occams Razor, and while none of these things indicate any degree of knowledge, experience, or proficiency for the content at hand, neither would seeing a build/gear copy/pasta from metabattle.

And see there is the rub: everyone automatically assumes being able to inspect other people's gear would guarantee toxicity. Well what do I do when I'm on a Power Reaper pulling 16k on a boss fight, and another Power Reaper is doing 6k, less than the Alacrigade? Well if I could check his build and armory, and see full zerk and the right traits, it's clearly just an issue of practice with the mechanics, rotation, etc. But if I were able to see that player had full Soldiers gear on or something, then a quick whisper to let them know why their gear choices is holding them back could make all the difference.

But feelings over facts - that's all that matters these days.

The difference is though that you are using gear inspect correctly. Many others use it on games just to belittle others and insert their supposed superiority which is where the bad rep comes from. It is just a game and game tools should not be used to encourage further belittling because all that does is widen the schizm.

the betletting is already on whit the ask of kp and the dps check, but it get more toxic and frustating when pp whit right kp is on party whit fakers or carry pp that do 6k dps, also this week we see pp like that, 70+kp no know mech no dmg no nothing, or pp that being toxic for raid or cm fails and he was the cause, or pp that just gotted some kp and find hiself and expert and mock others, or pp that buy the commie and does even know how to command -.-, so my idea i know can be toxic in some way but i just want to see the REAL experience someone has, to avoid scammers and pp whit bad beahaviours, and i have see in some dg the ask of AP like: more than 10k or 30k only; so this thing is already in the game, and if i want to play whit experienced i need to see how good they are, no to carry who i don't want to, and i carry a lot of newbie from guild and external pugs but when i want to do my things i want to do fast and clear becouse like proverb said time is gold

Then join a raid guild with likeminded people, add pugs that live up to your standard to friend list and ask to raid with them again the week after.Or join a disocrd like the rest of the people had to do.

[LordMorgul.9845]

@Linken.6345 said:

@LordMorgul.9845 said:

@Randulf.7614 said:

@Turkeyspit.3965 said:If I cannot right-click to inspect their gear and build, no other information is even remotely useful.

Having 32K achievement points and Fractal God just means your account is very old (and maybe not even being played by the same person), and every raid title and LNHB can be purchased. Sure Occams Razor, and while none of these things indicate any degree of knowledge, experience, or proficiency for the content at hand, neither would seeing a build/gear copy/pasta from metabattle.

And see there is the rub: everyone automatically assumes being able to inspect other people's gear would guarantee toxicity. Well what do I do when I'm on a Power Reaper pulling 16k on a boss fight, and another Power Reaper is doing 6k, less than the Alacrigade? Well if I could check his build and armory, and see full zerk and the right traits, it's clearly just an issue of practice with the mechanics, rotation, etc. But if I were able to see that player had full Soldiers gear on or something, then a quick whisper to let them know why their gear choices is holding them back could make all the difference.

But feelings over facts - that's all that matters these days.

The difference is though that you are using gear inspect correctly. Many others use it on games just to belittle others and insert their supposed superiority which is where the bad rep comes from. It is just a game and game tools should not be used to encourage further belittling because all that does is widen the schizm.

the betletting is already on whit the ask of kp and the dps check, but it get more toxic and frustating when pp whit right kp is on party whit fakers or carry pp that do 6k dps, also this week we see pp like that, 70+kp no know mech no dmg no nothing, or pp that being toxic for raid or cm fails and he was the cause, or pp that just gotted some kp and find hiself and expert and mock others, or pp that buy the commie and does even know how to command -.-, so my idea i know can be toxic in some way but i just want to see the REAL experience someone has, to avoid scammers and pp whit bad beahaviours, and i have see in some dg the ask of AP like: more than 10k or 30k only; so this thing is already in the game, and if i want to play whit experienced i need to see how good they are, no to carry who i don't want to, and i carry a lot of newbie from guild and external pugs but when i want to do my things i want to do fast and clear becouse like proverb said time is gold

Then join a raid guild with likeminded people, add pugs that live up to your standard to friend list and ask to raid with them again the week after.Or join a disocrd like the rest of the people had to do.

why this bother you so much? whats the point? all got legy or ascendent by now so is no matter of equip, but instead pp is asking for experience in form of kp or other and pp fake them so why don't have a trustable system in the game so we know the real experience ?

[Linken.6345]

@LordMorgul.9845 said:

@Linken.6345 said:

@LordMorgul.9845 said:

@Randulf.7614 said:

@Turkeyspit.3965 said:If I cannot right-click to inspect their gear and build, no other information is even remotely useful.

Having 32K achievement points and Fractal God just means your account is very old (and maybe not even being played by the same person), and every raid title and LNHB can be purchased. Sure Occams Razor, and while none of these things indicate any degree of knowledge, experience, or proficiency for the content at hand, neither would seeing a build/gear copy/pasta from metabattle.

And see there is the rub: everyone automatically assumes being able to inspect other people's gear would guarantee toxicity. Well what do I do when I'm on a Power Reaper pulling 16k on a boss fight, and another Power Reaper is doing 6k, less than the Alacrigade? Well if I could check his build and armory, and see full zerk and the right traits, it's clearly just an issue of practice with the mechanics, rotation, etc. But if I were able to see that player had full Soldiers gear on or something, then a quick whisper to let them know why their gear choices is holding them back could make all the difference.

But feelings over facts - that's all that matters these days.

The difference is though that you are using gear inspect correctly. Many others use it on games just to belittle others and insert their supposed superiority which is where the bad rep comes from. It is just a game and game tools should not be used to encourage further belittling because all that does is widen the schizm.

the betletting is already on whit the ask of kp and the dps check, but it get more toxic and frustating when pp whit right kp is on party whit fakers or carry pp that do 6k dps, also this week we see pp like that, 70+kp no know mech no dmg no nothing, or pp that being toxic for raid or cm fails and he was the cause, or pp that just gotted some kp and find hiself and expert and mock others, or pp that buy the commie and does even know how to command -.-, so my idea i know can be toxic in some way but i just want to see the REAL experience someone has, to avoid scammers and pp whit bad beahaviours, and i have see in some dg the ask of AP like: more than 10k or 30k only; so this thing is already in the game, and if i want to play whit experienced i need to see how good they are, no to carry who i don't want to, and i carry a lot of newbie from guild and external pugs but when i want to do my things i want to do fast and clear becouse like proverb said time is gold

Then join a raid guild with likeminded people, add pugs that live up to your standard to friend list and ask to raid with them again the week after.Or join a disocrd like the rest of the people had to do.

why this bother you so much? whats the point? all got legy or ascendent by now so is no matter of equip, but instead pp is asking for experience in form of kp or other and pp fake them so why don't have a trustable system in the game so we know the real experience ?

Its a waste of resources imo thats what bothers me so much.As it adds no playable content into the game it only make gating easier, if you want to gate you can already do that now.

[Omega.6801]

Kills can be bought, ppl can be carried and before ANet should add a system that will certainly further toxicity I'd rather have them do something else with their resources.

[TPMN.1483]

@"LordMorgul.9845" said:So when all of us have a squad or party, and we pass the mouse over the party members we can see theyr achievements count and name, so why don't improve this function like puttin the number of successfull bosses on raids or the cm numbers in fractals, i tink anet can easy do that like they have putted the amount of agony in fractals, so they can put more info for the pp we got in party so we can avoid pp that fakes theyr skills or the need to ask or ping kp. i tink this will improve the quality of life in game.

Try something like: http://killproof.me/ - this just requires an API key to register and provides kill proof.The other alternative is to register with GW2Bot (A Discord BOT) with your API key which will also provide kill proof and how many boss kills you have done from a specific date.

Generally people who have bought kills will not be paying for the more expensive bosses repeatedly. Try my name in the killproof.me website to see if it provides what you are after. This will also show the number of celestial essences (from CM 100) that has been earnt.

[Bridget Morrigan.1752]

I don't think it would be a bad idea as long as it stays minimal, like only displaying info for the current zone (i.e. CM 99 & 100 clears, each boss in a raid wing, etc). I hate clutter, so I'd be glad to get rid of KP in my inventory, but I don't want to replace it with clutter somewhere else.

Pretty sure it'd have to start everyone at zero though...maybe that would be a good idea for if they finish the last part of the Icebrood Saga with a raid instead of a strike. Then it would partially even the playing field at the moment that players are most likely to try raiding if they're new.

I don't think it would have any affect whatsoever on the game's toxicity. It'd just make the information people ask for be more accurate and relevant and less able to be faked. But they're already asking for this info. The toxicity is already there. It's not going anywhere, and I doubt this would make it worse.

[Henry.5713]

A stystem that allowed others to judge me by the gear I am wearing, the builds I am running and the number of specific kills and titles I have gained, at the click of a button and without me having to do anything , sounds ultimately preferable to me than any of this KP crap we have to go through. Or worse, forcing others to throw the dice and hope my AP numbers mean anything.